KrustyKidd

The winning ad has been chosen. It's a great one too! It shows a kid changing a tire on a car, a kid ringing in merchandise in a grocery store, a kid sweeping a floor. All in work clothes. At the end of it it simply says "Who is going to pay for Bush's policies?" Love it! I like good, imaginitve stuff. This is clever, instead of targeting the idiots, this one targets the thinking conservative. Hit them in the wallet. Unfortunately, most people see through this as evidenced by the upswing in the economy. Move on wants it to be aired at the Superbowl.. The Superbowl is checking it to see if it conforms to 'good taste.' LOL, not enough beer drinking or bikinis clad babes might make it unworthy. Good ad though. I salute it's origionality and the giving up of the 'Oil for blood' rhetoric.

This is why nobody takes the left seriously. Saddam good, USA bad. Today I listened to Gullianni, the former DEMOCRATIC Mayor of NYC who among other things said the Bush has done a fantastic job of safeguarding America. He also went on to say that any idiot could see that the US was the only country willing to enact 1441 and rid Saddam of WMD. As for WMD themselves he said something which you and the rest of your crew have consistently and conveniently overlooked. 'Saddam had them, the UN knew he had them, the security council knew he had them and all he had to do was show how he got rid of them. Bring out a few interviewable witnesses or workers that helped destroy them. Blix and his merry inspectors were all but begging him to show them stuff.' Did he Riff? Another point he made was that Bush is the only person who had the guts to call Saddam on this. You like WMD in the hands of a guy who seeks to be the Dictator of the ME for life? Bush is there only for four more years max, then you have to contend with a calm cool collected Dean who loses it in Iowa rallies when asked pointed questions by 68 year old farmers. Guess he is your type. You didn't hear about that one did you? I thought Dean was going to jump down and pistol whip the old bugger LOL. Clark who doesn't have the vote of any of his old West Point mates says the not only are there no WMD in Iraq and offers no explanation of where the ones that he knew were there a year ago went, he also knows that under his tenure, if elected, guarrantees that there will be no terrorist attacks. Wow, inside knowlege or what! Both dudes are running on a simple anti Bush stance. No specifics on how and what, just that Bush is wrong. See, the reason I bring these idiots up is because they are like you. No specifics, just hate, rhetoric and simple yet easily refuted points. No effort to join and guide what is happening, just condem for whatever comes to mind. Well Riff, back to the origional quote from you. Just wondering, how are you going to stop Islamic Fasism? How are you going to ensure that the ME becomes stable? Are you going to hope? Pray? Where is your evidence that Saddam had stopped his expansionist ways and was about to become a really benevolent ruler? Where is your evidence that the people of the ME just love to be ruled over by Clerics, Kings, Dictators? Where is your evidence that the women of the ME love to be valued less than cattle? Where is your evidence that terorists will leave the West alone if we don't take them out? Where is your evidence that America, for the first time in it's history has decided to populate the ME or any other country for that matter. I suppose failing proof then your arguments are simply unsubstanciated crap as usual. Anyhow. You like Saddam controling

No, not really. Both are equally weak to support the statement you made. You are up against the US Constitution, and hundreds of thousands of laws which all state that freedom, justice and equality are enshrined in America. To flat out say that it has been replaced by greed without nation wide statistics on then (whatever point that you ever thought that America was free et al) and now. I understand where you are comming from. There are real problems all over but to simply ice it with a bogus Anti America statement that you cannot prove is typical of ranting Leftists and not you. There are opportunists in every society that play the system like a violin. In our society they play the Government Agency game whereby many get grants for crap studies and all to give a small example off the top of my head. In an Islamic society they interpret the Koran in some specific way to get their will done. It is a fact that America is motivated by money, try to look at it as a trading tool and a way of keeping work and equity fluid rather than greed. It is a way to enable rather than reach a limit which is bound by geography or time. Some for sure covet it for the simple thing it is and many try to get it for free. Similar to those who here try to rip the welfare sytem off. Most people there are hardworking, law abiding citizens like in most other places of the world. They work with the system that is theirs. Funny that I didn't see you ragging on the sytem that has women stoned to death and thieves with hands cut off for not adhering to the interpreted word of individuals. That is a form of greed that really has taken the place of freedom, justice and equality. Greed for power at the expense of every other person's freedom.

$20 BJs and OJ Simpson is your proof? This is what you based that broad statement of American greed on? These are your rationale for saying that America has forsaken Freedom, equality and justice? Case ajourned!

Yes indeed Brother Lonius. Survivor does tend to fit in with the degeneration of American society. For us in the 'Moral Majority' it used to be so simple. 'Gratuitous sex and violence' was so apparent and easy to identify. Now we have to contend with things like this, 'Gratuitous Strategy' in order to win a game of skill and thought. How will we put a rating on this I wonder? 'X', 'R'. 'PG 13? Not to mention all the damm chessboards we will have to burn along with Risk games. As a bonus with the Risk game we can rid the world of a small amount of gambling as well! You are a great sport Lonius! Now back to the working parent and all. Money is freedom. Money is equality, it buys just as much for a black as a white. Money cannot win in a court of law. but it can help in the search for justice by retaining buy the services of a good lawyer but it cannot pervert justice. If your intent is to say that two working parents are a sign of greed then I would suppose that Frace is a virtual Satan compared to a place like Somalia where there is rampant unemployment and most parents are at home or what is as close to it as they can get. I consider the two parents working to make the home a better place. Not better in your mind but certainly in theirs, once again, freedom comes to the rescue of my point! As I said above, money is freedom of sorts. To simply say that it is greed is to be able to enter the heart of the person who posses it and none can do that. Freedom to send your child to college, freedom to give away, freedom to help others, freedom to learn, freedom to do whatever your want. That's not greed, that is what most people aspire to do. It is just that Americans do it better than most, they don't mope as much as the rest of the world, they take the bull by the horns. Money also is a way of projecting influence. If you have it you can move it and put it to work in a place where work needs to be done. It is a valuable thing. If you think that money is not importent to you Lonius, try this: Take a ten dollar bill and hold it in front of you and then burn it. I know you are able to afford to do this so don't tell me it will break you if you do. If you can, then you do not think it is that importent. If you cannot then you prove my point that you like it, you are greedy, so greedy that you cannot do it in order to prove me wrong about you. Anyhow. Were you just pulling my leg with everything else and making me sing for the proof that in America

I'm not so sure Lonius. Your points are correct but I am less hasty to place inginuity, wonder, hard work and ambition in the same sin pot as greed. I drive truck, I go away from home for days and sometimes weeks at a time. I leave my family behind. That, under your formula would make me greedy. Those sinning Euros on the other hand go away every day and come home at night and are therefore sinless? The individual rights rational with the burgler did make a point but I will counter it with how it demonstrates that the US has 'Justice for all' by showing that even the worst offenders are given justice. I took a quick look at the top ten movies and all, there are violent ones, love storys, comedies, childrens movies. Same with TV shows. Survivor is crap but it was one of the top shows and had no violence or sex. Hmmm.

LOL Good one! Origional too. That is the point, it will. Otherwise this is a failure. Your concern is completely valid and this is the reason why this whole war was thought of and fought. If Islam takes over then the US may as well have stayed home. They figured that they could force a democracy in the heart of the ME. If sucessful then there will be a thriving Arab Democracy, if unsucessful then there will be another Islamic shithole complete with starving people, secret police snatching citizens off the streets and a recruiting center for terrorists to attack the West and anybody else they take a disliking for on any particular day. It's an all or nothing deal. When Bush declared Major Combat over I figured it was quite obvious what he meant,; Major Combat. To me that means the official government has been taken out. You take it to mean that everything was perfect? Define the difference between major and minor combat Lonius. I hope it matches somewhat with mine. I figure that minor combat is when you have a lot of soldiers on the ground not doing half as much fighting as they did when they were in major combat. Hardly scientific but one hundred and fifty thousand well equipped soldiers can do a lot of killing in major combat. The same number when in minor or police action duries don't do nearly as much. They never declared "hostilities over."

Maybe a terror state to terrorists and those who harbor them but to any thinking person in the rest of the world they are doing what needed to be done. There is a reason why Terrorists come from the ME. That reason is hopelessness. The tiny bit of wealth that they have is enjoyed by the top .001% of the population - Dictators, Royalty and relatives of Royalty. Hardly equitable. I am surprised that most Liberals do not attack this unbalance. Anyhow, for thousands of years it has not been a problem as the meager sources of food and water were able to support the population. Now that the population has increased these old ways no longer work. What you have here is a massive population restricted in adapting to the changing world by archaic customs, secular oppression and a system of government that may have worked well in the time of Ali Baba but in the age of Global Trade works like a square wheel. Something had to give. The ruling class, unwilling and afraid to grant freedom maintained the status quo and actually deflected blame to areas outside their country. Lacking any means to attack their own oppressive governments the population was more than willing to embrace hope in any form. Islam gives that. Radical Islam needs two things to work and keep those who head it in power; a common enemy and recruits. The USA provides the enemy and is actually encouraged by the ruling class as it is a 'Better us than them' situation. Recruits are easily found in the cesspool of despair found throughout the ME. 9 11 proved to us that this situation can affect us. Something must change and rather than simply bomb the heck out of every country that harbors terrorists we did something different. Dropped a 'Democracy Bomb' on Iraq. The theory goes that like Communism, Democracy is infectious. If Iraq succeeds then other Arab countries will partake of it in various ways. For example, it would be extremely difficult for Assad in Syria to tell his people that the Great Satan is 'Treading on Them' when right next door there is a vibrant, modern and socially free Arab country. Iran and SA will also be placed on the spot to make some sort of social changes, otherwise their people will know that they have been duped by their own rulers for all these years. Sure, it looks as though we are the 'Big Bully' however remember, Iraq has not been an actual country for years. It was a personal torture chamber for Saddam and sons, the whole country, for thirty five years has been geared to satisfying his will. Hardly a 'Sovereign Nation.' When he began to project his will to other countries like Iran, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia he became a problem for the world. After 9 11 he became an opportunity for the world. He was not well liked and would hardly be missed. The population would be happy to be free of him and with all the oil wealth they could build a great democratic country with social freedom for all. This was the opportunity the US took advantage of. The end result will be a place where there is hope in this world, where a person involved in building a rewarding life will be too busy to even think of running off to some scorpion infested cave to blow himself to bits for some screwed up bearded fellow. Pretty much it's like you put once (if I remember right) 'draining the swamp' so that infestations of undesirable insects don't generate themselves. America has no interest to colonize or expand themselves into this area. Sure, they will now compete with all countries for the fruits of Iraq's labor at fair market value. Really though, when was the last time that America freed a country and then stayed to rule? When was the last time they removed government and formed a US state in it's place?

You read something into this quote that I did not then Lonius. I take it to read that one of the members of the council ruling Iraq says that there is no country wide news media. The fact that he is Kurdish is not even applicable here. His comment was given from the position of one of Iraq's ruling council, not leader of the Kurdistan Party. As for the reason why the message will get out without the overpowering rhetoric of Islam is the no election is going to happen until everybody knows what ieach candidate stands for. Islam and it's leaders can talk all they want but the public will be educated on all aspects of the election and security will be in place to thwart strong arming before any election occurs. If you think the US is going to give Iraq away as well as throw away all efforts and sacrifices they have made so far because they have no vehicles to distribute newspapers then you are wrong.

This is news???? Actually, I figured that an invasion of some ME country was planned back in the eighties. Only when all the pieces fell together did it become reality. 911 provided the will, Saddam provided the excuse and Iraq was the perfect location. I can't underestand why the Left still thinks that WMD provided the US with any reason for invasion other than a legal and justifiable excuse to Seed Democracy in the ME. As I have said many times before, did you notice when Iraq started to suddenly find all sorts of stuff to turn in to Blix that the Administration shifted it's attention and reasoning from WMD to 'Regime Change?' It's not news and if this sort of stuff is a big deal 'revelationwise' to you, I'm willing to bet that there is a lot more mind blowing stories to come your way yet.

And scince then, the media who are supposedly controled by the US have consistently spoken out against, if not undermined the US for outsitng Saddam. Now, back to the thread. People in America are SOBs and ; A wafflel iron has more value than rightiousness, better to have a starving child than get ten cents off a gallon off road deisel. Comon bro Lonious, back it up.

Al Queda continues to shake the world and change the Imerialistic policies of aggressor Nations. Not happy to kill just Americans, fellow Muslims and their own for little reason they have moved on in their meandering quest for whatever it is they are after. Here, they have taken a fixation on the Norwiegians, a country previously unnoticed as a pit of Infidels, so evil, so vile and opportunistic that it is seconded in brutal oppression only by the Finns. NAUGHTY NORDS ON LIST TO BE SPANKED BY SMELLY BEARDED GUYS

Absolutely. Some say though (presumably after removing the splinter or beam from their own eye) that in the USA .... This leads me to believe that without proof that the USA is greedier than the rest of the world, that it is an incorrect statement and based on simple bias or bigotry. Correct or not though, I would like to get some input into how the rest of the planet is falling all over themselves to save the third world. I mean, the EU and Asia have more than enough resources to do this. Shoot, with gererous, unselfish, ungreedy people like that I am surprised that there is even hunger ANYWHERE in the world.

And a year ago 99% of the people never even heard of these two guys. Democrats were better off with Hillary and Gore. To be fair though Morgan, Dean is the better choice of all. Every Politician Flips and Flops. I mean, I could probably dig up dirt on Cretien for cryin out loud LOL. It's the overall picture that really counts. Never heard of Dean? There's a reason. Never heard of Clark? There's a reason. Patton and Truman they ain't. The saving grace of it is that Polititians lie to all, Left and Right. To run on a campaign of pulling troops out of Iraq is a sure way to piss the Voters off in the first year. Won't happen, and you end up with a bunch of lefties saying that Bush was at least honest and Dean or whoever is like Nixon. Common sense, realism and practicality after the rhetoric, trumps rumor mongering and disinformation. I think that for the undecided, it all boils down to who doesn't look like they are a used car salesman and pure public recognition. Clark, being a Four Star General should carry the day, however, what if Colin Powell entered the race against him? The Dems would fold like house of toilet paper. Hillary is their best bet. She's got that public image and they know her to see her. Dean, though making sense is WHO? I would love to see Bush face off in a debate against Hillary. It would be a dream come true. Cheny against Clark, man! That's entertainment!

No Lonius, their interests are still first. I live for my daughter. I don't live so some Arab kid can get a drink of clean water. I don't live so some mother does not have to worry about feeding her children in some third world shit hole. I live to take care of mine. I would hope that you do as well otherwise I should think there is something seriously inhuman about you. I, like the US, do not give a hoot about people in the third world other than hope that in general that they do well and get the opportunity of life that I have. The point of my post is this: In order for me to have a clear conscience, I must make efforts to give them opportunity to live a life as enriched as mine without taking away from my daughter's welfare. In order to give my daughter a crack at life I must make every effort to ensure that these poor people are able to sustain themselves so they don't come after us and our way of life. You could say that we are throwing them a bone, sure. If they co opreate with our bone then it may turn into a generous side of beef. However, we have all sorts of people that are claiming that we don't care. Of course we don't care! Either do you! If you did you would have a bloody house full of dirty, stinking third world refugees! You don't though do you? Why? Because it would take an unreasonable amount of resources from you and your family, instead you claim that we don't care. Mother Theresa took care of Calcutta's orphans for selfish reasons. To satisfy her conciense she had an impulsive need to do this. It consumed her. It gave her power to transend mortal life and become an actual SPIRIT. I hightly doubt that you were writing her hate mail telling her that she is a bitch for not taking up the cause of Palestinians or did you? When walking down the stree you see a begar, you pass by and then feel guilty. You know you should have given so next time to eliminate that problem you give. The Police come by and see the same beggar, knowing that beggars who have no food or hope can cause serious problems with law abiding citizens call the Welfare Office and they, with the help of the police take him off the street and rehabilitate him and sort him out with job and whatever best they can. Who was greedy here? All of them were. Al of them wanted to get rid of a problem, all of them wanted to go home at night to the one thing that matters in their life: their families and their own. All of them wanted to have a clear conscience without compromising their own life or the lifestyle that they have worked for to give their families. Not one of them really cared about the beggar. Sure they felt sorry, sure they wanted to help but none would give up what is their families All humans do things for selfish reasons. Greed is emotional as well as material. Greed is negotiabke and can be compromised in the conscience and soul. Freedom, equality and justice are never negotiable.

Just some trash here, about Clark, the Clintons and Waco. CLARK AND STUFF I can see a powerful combination of Clinton and Clark. Many can see it as well but can't figure out who is on top LOL. Here, if truth would dictate that the Karma is that she is in contro,l and he, like the lap dog, is taking Cheny's place in the Bunker.

I also believe that today's society, man has become, out of necessity a 'hive' animal. Something which is purely unnatural for him to deal with. Nameless faces pass city dwellers by on the streets on the way to work. Travellers from small towns are inundated by strangers everywhere they go. Students in high schools are confronted daily by aggressive strangers with no apparent form of shelter and, if not belonging to a club or group, have little or no outlet. In the more oppressed areas of the world there is no human rights of any kind to fall back on. These ichons of Liberalism allow no outlet for frustration, and demonstrate on a daily basis that the family unit, the one thing that keeps most of mankind from going insane, is easily destroyed on a whim by the regime in charge. Wives are dragged off the street by rumor, husbands are tortured to reveal by false testimony the names of others that can be tortured. And yet some feel that this is a far better situation and ideaology than the supposed greed that takes place in America. They forget that this is what people become when not bound by Western rules, the rules they say that are based on greed and selfishness. I wonder if the postition were reversed, and the choice to reveal the name of a friend were given to most, while having their genitils worked over with pliers, I wonder if many would prefer to live in America the evil, or the cold basement of their misfortune, in the country that Liberals would call an 'Innocent Victim of American Greed'? Myself, I think that the third world needs more Western influence. There, if left alone, greed becomes evil rather than a motivating factor for the sucess of all, as it is in America.

I have a few Al Queda friends that are interested at working as janitorial staff at the Chalk River Nuclear Facility up the road. They fly in every now and then for a few Jihads. I imagine that they might wish to take advantage of this. As well, some of the dirtier old men in the nighborhood have expressed some interest in using this as a means to have some twelve year old girlfriends flown in from Thailand. Me, well I think it's real groovy, I hope the Liberals smoke enough weed to prepare them for this 'Monumental Step' in Human Rights Freedom.

And let this be a warning to all, get those keyboards in for regular cleaning, otherwise your 'Enter' key can stick periodicly and muddled messages can look like you were drinking when you posted them.

Oh yes, God is on Dean's side. He is just waiting until 'Dr Flip Flop' lands so he can figure out what side is actualy Dean's. FLIPPITY FLOP, FLIPPITY FLOP .............

For Americans I would think that it is perfectly clear - God and Country. Although first you must be of use to these higher callings by being able to serve them. This would be achieved by ensuring that you are taking care of yourself, your family and your close circle of associates (or friends). If you don't believe in God then shoot for Country. If you don't believe in Country then stay the hell out of the way and let the men folk do it. Why do you make an association between Hitler and Bush? I give you credit for being free thinking, but when you pull this rhetorical leftist dogma out, (which you disguise as intellectual sparring) it makes me wonder. Maybe when you get out of Die Slammenbuker you can get another book. Possibly Michael Moore's "Uber Dude, Wheren Isht Mien Arsholen." At least then you can learn how he lost all that wieght, as that is the only true fact in that sheaf of toilet paper.

Anybody seen John? Still waiting for his FACTUAL REPORT. I know he loves a real debate and thought maybe he left it out somewhere.

Oh yes they have. I posted a while back on this to no end. To shorten it up it came down to how it used to be the Cold War and all and a legitimate Communist Threat. Suddenly it vanished and we are left with all these third world countries that are non alligned. Loose Cannons with a lot of potential terrorist recruits. At first the US continued with the same old ways and figured that they had gotten a peace dividend but such was not the reality. A whole new way of doing business has emerged. Meanwhile, like you said the Left is trying to make the transition slightly behind the Bush Administration. In the old days Afganistan would be a parking lot and Iraq would be empty lot next door waiting to be paved. Instead they are the recipients of the most massive humanitarian effort in the history of man. Anyhow, just wondering how everybody feels about the USA being a population that would do anythng to anybody to make a buck. I know I have morals, compassion, honor and was just wondering if it is a geographical thing or a media thing, or somebody's mistaken view of what they percieve America is all about. I watch America forgive Billions in Iraqi debts but then see France, Germany and Russia freak. This would, on a larger scale be more applicable to a country such as France, I would think. One that had much to lose in the way of debt repayment, so that they would do anything they could to facilitate the Status Quo so that they could make their money back. Even if it meant the systematic murder of millions of Arabs over the years by Saddam. Then again, we are not talking about France (5 Billion). Or Germany (8 Billion), or Kuwait (100 Billion) or Russia (20 Billion) These countries would help out an oppressed people for sure, even if it meant they would lose all the money they had comming to them. Just greedy Americans (20 Billion FORGIVEN) who would sell their mother before they would help anybody. No way that they would ever think about freedom for anybody, justice for anybody or equality in any form. Hell, I'll bet that if they ever catch terrorists or Dictators they execute them before anybody even knows they were captured. Justice and freedom are only for people with money.

Lonius, I agreed with you. There is a problem getting the news out. However, rather than doing it like you would have by word of prayer, the Iraqis are using an old trick called the printing press. The system is new here as before it was run by yhe 'I Love Saddam' Club but what I was trying to point out was that there is this means. As well Iraqis are quite enthusiastic about it but it has it's glitches and will be worked out. Water seeks it's own level and money finds it's way into the pocket of the smartest and most ingenious. The messages will get out without the twist of Islam.

I'll get this off my chest first then move on: And if they do not support anybody and leave the place alone everybody lives in harmony or does an even more brutal dictator move in and untempered by any western influence simply strarve all into submission?