Ricki Bobbi

You are quite happy to attack my posts, swear at me, call me names and have me meekly submit. Don't think I agree with that definition of co-existence Gerry.

It isn't trolling if I point out your lies Gerry. It is called honesty and it should be welcomed here on this board. Are you so lacking in the ability to support your "facts" that all you can do is cry troll?

Trolling is very much open to interpretation. Yet again proving my point about special treatment here on the board. Other posters have been publicly admonished by Greg for accusations of trolling. Yet you are free to do so. Why pull a quote from another thread Gerry?

There is no Conservative party in the US. Is that an outright lie Gerry or are you just too blinded in your hatred of the Conservatives to realized you are talking about American politics.

Hmm, two polling firms. One of whom released that November 8th poll. How do you define several? We all know you are free to post whatever you want, in whatever manner you want here on MLW Gerry. Never mind truth, decency, respect for other posters or the rules of this board.

Normie, you are still on the board. Why ignore this? Not willing to play when it isn't a Harper-hatefest? Can't stand having your inacurrate presentation of the facts proven wrong?

You are only posting the polls that support your beliefs. Of course you are going to interpet those favourably... This Angus Reid poll from November 8th shows the Liberals up eight points. Sorry all your attacks, Harper loathing, demeaning of those with other viewpoints and obfuscation aside the Conservatives are going to win convincingly in 2007.

Good point betsy! According to this SES Research poll people who voted in the last election are *LESS LIKELY* to vote Liberal with Iggy, Rae, Dion or Kennedy as leader. I do appreciate how the OP ignored the Angus Reid poll from November 8th...

Wow.

It isn't necessarily either. Please provide the context...

The poorest among us are still better of with a 15.5% lowest Federal tax bracket, GST cut, working tax credit, transit pass credit, child care benefit and the textbook credit than they are with a 15% tax lowest tax bracket and none of the others. This is what started the exchange... You have agreed that the poorest among us aren't covering the costs for the Conservative initiatives. You changed the ground to "benefitting the most". I never said that in total dollar terms. I just said they do benefit from the Conservative initiatives...

You only focused on the child tax benefit in the other posts. You define greatest benefits in dollar amounts rather than total income saved. Convenient for your argument but pretty inaccurate and not properly representing the situation. In totality lower income families are better off under the Conservatives than they would have been under the Liberals. As long as there is a family member working they are better off under the Conservative plan. That is undeniable and is probably the reason why you are avoiding the topics. There are many, many efforts to make sports open to children of low income families across the country. Here is a program that opens schools in low income areas of Toronto for use by children free of charge for sports. Here is an inititiatve of the Canadian Parks and Recreation Association to open up facilites for children of low-income families. Here is a list of groups that all try and promote youth activity who *explicitly* state that income should not be a barrier to sports. Skills Through Activity and Recreation; Hi5 Quality at Play Youth RoadRunning Making All Recreation Safe Information on all four can be found here.

Nice selective editing Normie. Any reason why you deleted this part? Imagine a poll commissioned by the National Organization for the Reform of Marjuana Laws supporting their raison d'etre.

Lyndon Johnson deserves a lot of credit. Sure he wasn't as *charismatic* as Kennedy but he didn't f*ck up as monumentally as Kennedy either. His Great Society programs went a long way to reducing poverty in the US and helping in the fight for civil rights. Too bad he got saddled with Vietnam and war-mongering generals he didn't ignore... Bill Clinton will be seen as a very good President. Whitewater was a partisan joke and people will see that whe it is placed in its historical context.

So be it. The Canadian right spent far too long winning the "moral victory" only to lose elections because of Liberal flip flops. If Joe Who would have been a little less principled, and a little more focused on holding power, in the budget 1980 we could have been spared the last four years of Trudeaus reign of error. If Preston Manning had been a little less principled in the 1997 election he could have held Chretien to a minority which would have lead to his ouster far earlier... I'd much rather see these *flip flops* than have Harper hand power back to Dion, or Iggy or whoever wins next month.

Is this true Harper loathing or are you just playing around? Do show evidence of the majority of Canadians supporting decriminalization? So when Parliament passed SSM despite the opposition of a majority of Canadians should their views have been respected? Do you always favour a government acting on majority opinion, or only when the majority opinion shares your view?

That is the Martin flipflop on SSM you are talking about? Isn't it?

They are still better off under the Conservative plan than they would be under the Liberal regime. Some of it is being "clawed back" in their income tax, but overall they are in a better position.

You're a tough one to read Normie. I never know when you are mocking rabid Harper loathers and when you are actually being a Harper loather.

The core of party politics? People's positions change. During the last Liberal leadership Paul Martin said he was definitely not in favour of SSM. Times change. People change their minds. Please keep trying to push *scary* *scary* *scary*.

The lowest income grouping in Canada is the one most likely to be helped by a cut in the GST, the transit pass credit, the employment credit and in many cases the universal childcare credit and/or the textbook tax credit. Overall members of this groups are more likely to better off under the Conservative plan. So the poorest among us are receiving the greatest benefit from these Conserative initiatives...

Fair enough. It could be that the details are still being worked on. China and Canada are both important for each other's economic future. A meeting of some kind will take place...

There are potential implications with the interpretation of various clauses of the Constitution, the Clarity Act, a unilateral declaration of independence. On and on and on. Nevermind the pre-occupation with the Constituion while there are other more important things to be dealt with...

Maybe you really are a *Harper loather*. Maybe your hatred and vile have blinded you to any semblance of facts. May you could explain how the Canadian lumber industry could start selling product to China, a net exporter in the industry? Nevermind the shipping costs that would be involved. Maybe you just want to attack Harper with abolutely no clue of the issues involved.

The majority of lumber companies accept the agreement. You are never going to get 100% agreement on anything. The Liberals cut the tax rate 1% in a pre-election budget "update" that took effect in January of 2006. During that election campaign the Conservatives ran on a playform of changing the tax system. Harper *raised* the lowest rate by 1/2 a point to help pay for the transit credit, the GST cut, the textbook tax credit, the universal child care program ....