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This action follows the April 2002 Supreme Court Decision in Bell ExpressVu versus Richard Rex, which confirmed that Section 9(1)© of the Radiocommunication Act protects both Canadian and foreign signals from unauthorized decoding. Right or wrong -- it IS illegal. Not only are you barred from decoding the signals broadcasted throughout your neighborhood, but also from either owning/selling/posessing equipment either designed or modified to decode that signal. And if it did violate your rights to enjoyment of property, I highly doubt the SCOC would have ruled as it did. You may think you have made a valid argument, but apparently the SCOC disagrees. As I mentioned earlier,

Okay....how many US lives were lost when the US attacked Libya? How many Israeli lives were lost when Israel attacked Iraq? For that matter, in the last 20 years of aerial bombardment** by the west, how many aircrews have lost lives.......? Get back to me on that particular historical precedent..... ** Gulf War 1 Serbia Croatia Kosovo No Fly Zone Operations Gulf War II Afghanistan..... Could you explain what exactly you think I'm supposed to take from all that, in respect of my estimate of the requirements for eliminating Iran's nuclear research program? Are you suggesting a paralel between them? If so you are badly mistaken. None of those petty operations would match the scope of the undertaking of eliminating Iran's program. The have, reportedly, over 100 hardened sites, plus decoys. They have an intact, modernizing military (probably the strongest in the region: http://www.milnet.com/Iranian-Military.html ). They have little in the way of territorial ethnic minorities. And Iran has more than twice the population of Afghanistan and vastly superior organization and infrastructure.

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What pray tell do you base this groundless estimate on? General reading, current events, historic precedent. It is my estimate, I don't claim any greater pedigree for it. Either you used the word incorrectly or you're just confused...what ever, but your choice of language shows your contempt and bias

There is no need for a pretense***. Iran's refusal to comply with the NNPT will be enough. This and growing evidence that peaceful civilian nuclear technology is not what they are developing and the stated desire for genocide are ample reasons for a limited strike. Iran can withdraw from the NNPT on three months notice -- plenty of time to be outside the rules if things really start to heat up for them in the UN. Are you suggesting that the sites are in cities? How stupid do you think they are? How fanatical do you think they aren't (all of a sudden)? No don't be afraid. A few hundred dead Iranians is good value for a world without a nuclear armed Iran. Any general or president will tell you, a thousand dead them is a better deal than 10 dead us. In my estimate, to achieve a strategically relevant termination of Iranian nuclear research would involve easily the deaths of many thousands of Iranians and probably require at least some hundreds of (presumably US) lives. pedantic: marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects

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It perplexes me why the champions of the Palestinian state never ask why during the 19 years of Arab occupation of the west bank and gaza, whne all the machinery for creating a sovereign palestinain state was there, they never even once tried. It might be that it' the answer that bother them. They were waiting first for the destruction of the state of israel and the jews. And to this we are to take seriously the Arabs wanted peace? It's funny, what you guys think is a telling point.

This bomb will be operational next year. My guess is the Iranians have untill that time to come clean http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...tions/dshtw.htm Now I have =never said they are helpless, and I don't imagine they are. Just that if the US decides to make an end of the Iranian gambit, they will and they will be succesful. Now will the Iranians act like scumbags and attack women and children in response? Probably. Will the left make excuses for the scumbags attacks? Absolutely. Which women and children? What about the women and children affected by an attack on Iran? But seriously, the idea of an attack is folly -- what pretense could justify it? What president would want to risk it? What general could sanely recommend it? No, I'm afraid the world needs to begin contemplating the reality of a nuclear armed Iran.

Go ahead. Then come back and tell us all what he says. (What sort of overblown rhetoric is that supposed to be anyway?) Lets start with a pic (being worth 998 words) That's the Big muff with Adolp...(who apparently didn't wait until the creation of israel to hate jews.....) http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Haj_Amin_El_Husseini.htm Previewing your posts would help you to make them comprehensible. This material is germane to what point, exactly?

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Why? You thhink without Israel they would have become liberal democracies? No, I believe acceptance of Jewish people in Arab countries would be on roughly a par with whatever state of human rights prevailed in said state for any of its minorities. Go ahead. Then come back and tell us all what he says. (What sort of overblown rhetoric is that supposed to be anyway?) I don't believe I have discussed riots in Egypt at all. Are you saying I have? If so, why would you lie like that? I wouldn't want to bruise your feelings, but I wasn't talking to you exclusively. Ah. Since you had exclusivly quoted me throughout the post, and since you gave no indication whatsoever that you were changing your conversational direction, I guess I was mislead. Pardon me for failing to anticipate your poor habits.

I don't know the entiretly of the "factual account" or claims made about it, so I can neither confirm or deny it in specie. But I certainly don't deny there was some persecution of some Jews in the Arab world predating the creation of the state of Israel. And I put it to you again, only a mala fide interpretation of my statement would lead you to make such an accusation. I have stated my basic stance in a form clearer and shorter than that. Your version is less correct. Don't bend my words, please, Mr. Twist.

I see no reason to review the entirety of this thread for you, nor the several others that provide the 'proof' you demand here.

Why? You thhink without Israel they would have become liberal democracies? No, I believe acceptance of Jewish people in Arab countries would be on roughly a par with whatever state of human rights prevailed in said state for any of its minorities. Go ahead. Then come back and tell us all what he says. (What sort of overblown rhetoric is that supposed to be anyway?) I don't believe I have discussed riots in Egypt at all. Are you saying I have? If so, why would you lie like that?

I'm sure they have plans and I'm sure they have contingencies.....and I'm also sure it won't mean much to a thermobaric bomb Well, I'm sure it's comforting to imagine that opponents are helpless against our might. No danger there, eh.

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Dissemble much? Excuse me. You appear to be imputing that I have denied Jewish people suffered persecution. That imputation is completely baseless and false. My comment relates to the prospect of behaviour from Arab governments, not the content of the historical record.

Neither massive bombings nor an inavsion is needed. Simply bombing the 20 or so sites associated with the enterprise should be enough to put them out of business for 20 or so years. I don't think that's realistic. Even assuming you could find all the sites and bomb them effectively it would take a massive degradation of infrastructure to prevent them from having it all rolling again in under 5 years. Yoiu don't have to find all the sites...just enough to cripple the effort http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4617398.stm Do you really believe that Iran has no plans and is completely helpless against this contingency?

It really would be good for you to preview your posts. Say again? http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...ands_(gen).html Yes, yes. I don't think anti-Jewish rioting in the 1940s demonstates convincingly that Arab governments would be actively persecuting Jews today in the absense of their conflict with Israel. That's a semantic quibble based on highly subjective criteria. Further annexation? You been sleeping these past 10 years? A Israel jeopordizes it's security by turning over the Gaza and help form the PA, the PA'swn gov't won't recognise Israel's right to life......yeah I'm afraid that does justify continued occupation...... Your interpretation of events is, IMHO, faulty. Israel has created it's security problems by failing to come to a just peace with the Palestinians who's territory they hold against international law. Israel's claims that it holds this territory for security purposes: 1) are suspect given the vast difference in military capabilities between them; and 2) has provided cover for illegal settlement of the occupied territory.

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