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28 minutes ago, Rue said:
they were forced to become money lenders out of necessity but it was soul rotting.
I do not see why you would say that.
I see nothing wrong with banks and or lending money as long as it does not cross the usury line.
I can understand why people turned on the Jews to some extent. I think it is almost instinctual to hate, to some degree, that which is fitter than we are and Jews, as bankers, would have been naturally hated, unfortunately.
The drug trade calls it turning on the pusher.
I think that the Jews were smart enough to know this, but the benefits must have outweighed the down side.
In modern times, hopefully the general population will catch up to intelligent thinking and racism will reduce as the worlds colors meld.
Many Canadians, although still racist, are likely to reduce in this discrimination faster than most.
This white guy has already become a minority in my area and I am sure glad that I have never been racist.
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DL
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17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:
Christianity is for the uneducated masses from the times of pre-science, pre-enlightenment to explain how the universe works. Don't bother your mind with such rabble Jesus' morality works just as well without the metaphysical ghost-story nonsense.
I see it working better that way as well and use his way to enlightenment. That being meditation. That, of course, is not the parts of the bible that the lying preachers use.
I have to bother with the rabble thought because of the harm I see them doing to many.
Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk
Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.
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DL
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4 hours ago, Rue said:
Jesus if he did indeed challenge the money lenders
First. Thanks for an interesting read.
I did not read where he challenged the money lenders so much as the money changers.
Jews had to pay tribute to the temple with Roman coins and I think that that is why the scribes put Jesus' fit into the bible.
I think the bible does use the term money lenders but that might have been Christians trying to discredit Jews. The hate started early in Christianity.
4 hours ago, Rue said:it is most likely he would have expected debate and constant challenges to his concepts and would have welcomed them.
I agree wholeheartedly. Jesus was a perpetual seeker and asked us to be the same.
Gnostic Christians take that to heart but it is discarded by Christians who are idol worshipers of a genocidal and infanticidal god that they can somehow see as goods.
5 hours ago, Rue said:To live is simply to share positive energy,
Here we disagree depending perhaps on your definition.
I live by the adage that, --- for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing. In this case, only share positive energy.
I see hate being born of love. When we decide to have a love bias to something or someone, we automatically create a hate bias against anything that might jeopardize that which is loved.
In light of that, I see much in religion that jeopardizes that which I love and I spend most of my time fighting those evils.
I hope that makes sense to you.
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DL
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Was Jesus born with Original Sin?
If so, then he could not be the perfect sacrifice.
If not, then he had no human side and was pure god, and god cannot die which, makes the sacrifice a lie.
Could these facts be why the Jews have no Original Sin concept in their religion?
Is that also why Jews rejected Jesus as their messiah, or did they just recognize the immorality of anyone using a scapegoat and the abdication of one’s responsibility for their actions, which is against all moral legal systems?
Why have Christians embraced such an immoral and illegal concept?
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DL
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On 1/9/2020 at 12:37 PM, Rue said:
Lol I know nothing about banking. Now stand up comedy I know.
Know that back then, Christians thought lending was usury and had to borrow from the Jews as they could not borrow from Christians.
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DL
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An educated reply. Nice.
You confused me a bit though by including Gnostics and Pharisees.
The latter were Jews and the Gnostic of that day and area were made up mostly of Jews and Chrestians.
Your last is pure Gnostic Christian thinking.
Not surprising given that Jews are hated for their intelligence and banking.
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DL
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Jesus was a Jew. Why do some Christians and Muslims hate Jews?
The racism that many show against Jews, must by definition include Jesus, as he only taught Jewish traditions along with his criticisms of it. This included the Jewish esoteric and mystical teachings similar to Gnostic Christian thinking. Jesus’ forte.
Yahweh chose to have the Jews and Romans sacrifice Jesus and thus the Jews hold no blame.
Yahweh loved the Jews and it seems counter intuitive to have religions like Christianity and Islam, who have usurped the Jewish Yahweh and Jesus from the Jews, to try to take the Jew out of Jesus and hating that Jewishness.
Jewry is the root and patriarch of Christianity and Islam, yet those religions do not seem to respect their own Jewish roots.
Roots should be revered. Christians and Muslims do not love or respect their religious fathers and mothers; so to speak.
Jesus was a Jew.
Why do some Christians and Muslims hate Jews?
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DL
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18 hours ago, Rue said:
Jesus as an agent to teach healing and humility is a wonderful lesson.
I disagree as many of his moral tenets were not moral at all.
I especially dislike his no divorce for women and substitutional punishment policies.
I did not notice you answering the question in the O.P.
Care to?
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DL
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Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself?
1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe.
That is an evil act to most people.
If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up?
Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons?
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DL
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1 minute ago, bcsapper said:
There are no fairies.
Now you are forced to show how you could have looked everywhere in the universe at the same time or admit that you believe that on faith.
That is how a believer would show that you are lying, or misusing the language.
This is my last on this issue.
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DL.
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15 minutes ago, bcsapper said:
I don't know so much. I think one should have the courage of their convictions. I don't not believe there is a God. I believe there is no God. I can't prove it, but I can't prove there are no fairies, either.
I hear you but courage should not have you make statements that you cannot prove. Your convictions, I hope, will have you to not do what theists do and make statements you cannot prove. Your conviction will be know regardless of the language.
I am French and try hard to get English right. I am criticised enough for my views that I do not want to have to worry about explaining logical fallacies that I cannot justify.
If you look at the first few atheist billboards, they use, there is likely no god and not there is no god.
I have the same view of the language.
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DL
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3 hours ago, Rue said:
We are not superhuman.
Speak for yourself. Kidding ;-)
I enjoyed reading your realistic views.
If you can look at walking on water or calming the storm that Jesus is said to have done from an esotery view, it is just saying that Jesus could solve arguments and discussions about religious topics.
The same with Moses and the burning bush which basically says he put his ideas to the flames of inquiry and reason to temper them to their final purest form.
- Air represents intellect, mental intention, and connection to universal life force.
- Earth represents grounding, the foundation of life, substance, connection to life path, and family roots.
- Fire represents energy, a tool for transformation, connection to personal power, and inner strength.
- Water represents emotional release, intuition, and inner reflection.
Everything that the bibles says happens to people, I think, is to represents what happens in our own minds.
The crucifixion is of our own ego, for instance, in our left brain hemisphere, and it resurrects into the union of both hemispheres.
Those view are more Eastern mystics but as you seem to know, Jesus could have picked that up from the older Jewish esoteric schools of thought.
Check out this language and the Gnostic Christian view of them.
Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
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DL
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6 hours ago, OftenWrong said:
God is like politics. Whatever god we imagine is the one we deserve.
Basically, yes.
I do not think anyone deserves a genocidal god though.
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DL
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17 hours ago, bcsapper said:
I think my worst sin was secretly wanting Leeds United to do well.
But as there is no God, I'm ending up in a med student's lab regardless of my sins. If they'll have me that is. Otherwise, compost.
No argument buddy. Just a comment.
Best to say that there is likely no god because the way you said it is a logical falasy and we should leave that kind of language to the theists who make statements they cannot prove.
We are better than they are in thinking and should be better with our language as well.
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DL
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Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?
God’s condemnation is quite severe. Hell and death, if you are a literalist believer.
Meanwhile, scriptures say that the penalty for sin is closer to what we generally view as justice. That justice being an eye for an eye. This means that the penalty is close to the severity of the sin. If I kill, I earn death. If I steal, I only forfeit my wealth. I do not earn death. This justice seems fair to me.
Since few of us ever kill, few of us should earn hell and death. Yet scriptures indicate that the vast majority of our souls end in hell and death, while only the few reach heaven.
Can god be just if he exceeds the good justice standard that the bible, god’s WORD, claims is just?
There is no doubt that we are all sinners. Be that condition, imposed by god or nature, is forced upon us at birth.
If you think you have been condemned to hell and death and need a savior, can you tell us what sin of yours earned you hell and death?
Thanks.
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DL
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11 hours ago, betsy said:
If a Christian who gives honor and praise, and glorify Jesus and the symbol of Cross, and he partakes in Communion, and yet does not believe that Jesus and God are One and the Same - that God is Jesus as human - then, Jesus becomes an idol.
It also makes the Bible non-credible, makes Jesus contradict Himself, and thus He becomes just another false prophet.
That's why it is so important to believe that Jesus is God.
It is all about putting Jesus above Yahweh. Ok.
That breaks the first commandment as Jesus did not even exist when god purportedly gave them to Moses.
If Yahweh is not the one being praise, it is a breach of the first commandment. Right?
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DL
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Does Jesus qualify as an idol?
In reading the various definitions of idol, I think Christians have turned Jesus into the type of idol that he railed against.
We all idol worship in some sense. If you can think analogically you will agree. Here is a poet that might help you do that. He has a good message but he himself ends in being an idol worshiper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZg1ZflpJs&list=PL-y1um9fkZCacsUPHZpHsjqdcC4JzZyeT&index=5
Commandment #3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.”
Christians put Jesus before Yahweh.
Commandment #4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
Christian churches are full of carved images.
Gnostic Christians also have an ideal, but we do not let ourselves be subsumed by our own creations and remain perpetual seekers of the best god/rules and laws to live by, as Jesus taught.
I see Christians and Muslims as idol worshipers.
Is Jesus a Christian and Muslim idol and are they idol worshipers as most theologians say?
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DL
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14 minutes ago, Shady said:
Morals are subjective.
Mostly, yes.
Yet the bible is making an objective statement.
Was that what you were pointing to?
Or were you trying to say that you have personal reasons for discriminating against a group of individuals within our society?
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DL
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Are members of the gay community better adjusted, in a moral sense; than homophobes?
Gays place love above sex, while homophobes place sex above love.
Jesus would say that gays are closer to his heart than homophobes, and this shows a higher moral sense in Gays.
I am not gay, but hey, like Jesus; I can tell you homophobes that gays (all) still love you, and hope you get closer to love and Jesus someday.
Gayness is nature, not nurture. Nature and the Jesus archetype are showing us how to love more deeply.
This is a Gnostic Christian view and is in full accord with my Mother Goddess, so it must be true.
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DL
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Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?
https://biblehub.com/matthew/20-28.htm
Even as the Son of man came not to be served, but to serve,
At the end of the day, there is no physical or real supernatural God for us to follow. If there were, then logic and reason say that if such a God wanted to be relevant to man, he would show up.
All there can be are rules and laws that we think a God would give. Men have written up many such sets of rules while lying about being inspired by God. That is basically the moral of the Moses story with his coming off the mountain, not with a God, but with rules and laws.
Man is not slaved to his laws and rules and changes them as better ones are found. We, in effect, are evolving God, defined as rules and laws, and making him better.
All people accept this except for those in religions who idol worship the older barbaric Gods, whose laws are inferior to secular law. That would include the Christian and Muslim demiurges.
Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship. Faith is a way to quit using your, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.
The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]
How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?
Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes their mind as it is pure idol worship.
Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears.
Do you serve God and the laws and rules of life, or do you expect the laws, rules of life and God to serve you?
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DL
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Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?
Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.
Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone.
https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2
Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal.
Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security.
For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change.
It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised.
I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY
If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any.
We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all.
We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy.
We can easily rid ourselves of poverty.
Should we?
Morality says yes.
Will we do the right thing?
Not till hell freezes over.
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DL
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9 hours ago, Ell said:
It is sick to think that Dad's who don't support their children after getting a woman pregnant are called "Dead Beat" and women who look down at this are the same ones that are allowed and are killing their children in the womb when they just feel that they want to. I think both of these happenings are terrible, but the killing of an innocent is much worse. Morality is not something you can invent on your own, but it can be found when you seek it with the help of Jesus Christ.
You have not really looked at the immoral tenets Jesus preached or you would not make such a foolish statement.
I would ask you to engage on moral discussions but Christians just run away from those because they know that they lose all those debates.
Now if you were talking the Gnostic Christian Jesus, I would agree with you, but the Rome created Jesus is not worth spit.
Do you like his no divorce for women and substitutional punishment policy?
You will if your morals have been corrupted by your religion.
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DL
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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:
There are other ways to be moral. Community morals don't need to be Christian anymore.
If the community's morals are Christian, and based on the tenets of the bible, then their misogynous and homophobic teachings have to be seen as immoral and unfit to be a community standard.
If Christianity had good moral tenets to convert with, it would not have had to use inquisitions to grow.
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DL
Was Jesus born with Original Sin?
in Religion & Politics
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I could show you atheist stats that show better than believer morals via the World Piece Index and other links to why you should put more faith in man as we are the only gods you may ever see.
You are true to you name my friend.
Some hero will show up to enlighten you.
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DL