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  1. 3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

    Huh? In the video, "Those who cannot live by the law... shall die by law." I understand if you don't want to watch it. That's what it specifically says, anyway.

    It's hard to accept we have no free will. then life is a pre-orchestrated dance, is it not? On the other hand, you could say free will is where the devil really comes in. That old devil makes you want to break the rules... and it's people who are willing to break the rules, who make innovation and progress possible. The will to progress... stems from your criminality.

    No. I said your line. Not the links line.

    "Here is my answer to the OP, straightforward and simple, and to you as well Michael Hardener. "

    I have seen that clip before.

    You might have noted that the first thing Moses did, almost, law wise, was murder, what was it, 3,000 Jews?

     

    " The will to progress... stems from your criminality."

    I have said that I have a criminal mind and delinquent personality, so I may not be the best judge of your thinking, but let me disagree till I know for sure.

    I have broken rules to challenge them and progress my country in it's poor laws.

    I do not think the impetuous came from my criminality or criminal mind. 

    It came, I think, from pure hate against what I saw as harming my country. IOWs. The love for my country created a hate against what I saw as jeopardizing that which I loved.

    Straight criminality is greed. Vigilantism, which is the issue here, is not greed. It is a love and desire for justice.

    Thoughts?

    Regards

    DL

  2. 3 hours ago, betsy said:

    It's choice given to Adam and Eve, isn't it?   Whether to obey or disobey God?

    No it is not.

    To choose wisely, one must have some idea of what they are choosing. Right?

    A & E could not know if they were doing good or evil when they had yet to have or gain any knowledge of what was good or evil. For all they could know, the serpent was good and god was evil. Right?

     

    3 hours ago, betsy said:

    Goodness is an attribute of God.  It's His nature.

    His nature is genocidal and infanticidal. Are those good traits to you?

    Do you think that other with a genocidal trait are good?  Hitler and his ilk.

    Regards

    DL

      

  3. 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

    It's not too complicated. Old Testament says the consequence of sin is death. Maybe a little sin once in a while is ok, in my view...
    But we have sinned too much and hence we are now doomed, as you see.

    Happy Easter/ Passover/ Solstice/ WalpurgisNacht or whatever you may prefer.

    Not quite that simple, given that you might be getting ready to sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

    That first line of yours is garbage and a lie. Right?

    As to being doomed. That is not controlled by our sins. It is controlled by god who chooses whose heart he will harden against him and who he will save. We have no choice or free will in this. Here are the appropriate verses.

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    Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

    Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

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    ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ

     

    Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

    The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

    If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

    Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

    Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

    I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

    Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

    What is your choice of those two options?

    Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

    I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

    What do you think is the truth?

    Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

    Regards

    DL

     

  4. 21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

    Neitzche died 120 years ago, so his wisdom isn't breaking news.  You can trace the origins of religion to find out why/how it was born and evolved.  As a hint, it was born exactly at the same moment as laws, mathematics and their offspring money.

    LOL. Your hint is foolish.

    The oldest shrine I know of is over 60,000 years old. When was cash invented?

    Regards

    DL

  5. 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

    Mankind created God, and the Eiffel Tower.  I suppose if one was to call the creative urge a naturally occurring state in humans, then sure.

    I think it is natural, just as it is natural for us to wish to be the fittest humans.

    We just went stupid in giving our god stupid and overblown attributes.

    We gave our gods such big dicks that all they can now do is beat us with them.

    We have to change to thinking of gods as ----

    Regards

    DL

  6. 1 hour ago, Tdot said:

    ...or...

     

     

    You need to reread that. Then quickly realize why it is, proof, that humans should never throw their Bible away.

    I agree that all should read the bible.

    The more that do, the fewer Christians there will be.

    The early church knew that and that is why they murdered so many for reading it or just having it.

    Be proud of your murdering heritage.

    Regards

    DL

  7. 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

    I tend to agree, metaphorically speaking evil is sometimes necessary. For example there may be no other choice but evil, or worse evil. That does not make evil good, however. If we confuse the two concepts then we lose the ability to discern them. Then chaos shall rule the day.

    But the OP would perhaps embrace this condition, I'll wager.

    You would lose that bet. I like order.

     

    Strange that you would think evil to be necessary, yet not think it good. 

    Regards

    DL

  8. 12 hours ago, Tdot said:

    IMHO this is not the reason God created evil.  

    Mankind was created for God's, pleasure, as God created evil to be used by Satan almost as a form of chastising imperfect Mankind which falls prey to the works of the devil. If Mankind had never eaten from the tree, Mankind would know no such thing as evil. Therefore Mankind would not need to be chastised.

    And remember too, evil is often subjective. For example, does a mother see evil when she goes to Prison to visit her son/look into the eyes of her gangbanging thug who's in jail for execution style murders of several members of a rival gang.

    Are you a believer, and why are you denying the WORD of god?

    God first used Satan in Eden to tempt Eve. What chastisement did she need? What had she done that was evil before being tempted.

    If A & E had not eaten of the tree, they would have remained with their moral eyes closed and too stupid to reproduce.

    None of us would be here.

    If Adam sinned, it was as you sing in your Exultet hymn, a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

    If necessary to god's plan, would you sin as Adam did, or would you derail god's plan?

    Regards

    DL

  9. God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil?

     

    Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

     

    Some people have what has been termed, the problem of evil. Many cannot fathom why, if god is good, he would create evil. Yet the scriptures are clear that god created evil for his pleasure.

     

    It may be due to my criminal mind and delinquent attitude, but I think I know why. I wondered if you ands others had also dithered out a reasonable answer to show why sin and evil are required for god’s plan and our mental and moral development.

     

    This fact is likely why the ancient Christians determined that sin was necessary for our development. They sing that Adam furthered god’s plan by his sin.

     

    To them, even as Christianity and I clash, and the intelligent position, is that to not sin or do evil, is to derail god’s plan.

     

    In this, issue, I happen to agree with the scriptures and Christians who say the sin and evil is good and necessary to god’s plan.

     

    Do you?

     

    Regards

    DL

  10. On 4/4/2020 at 8:56 AM, OftenWrong said:

    Hate of self isn't necessarily wrong, if it leads to transformation to a better person. But anything taken to extremes is harmful, so we should not hate ourselves too much. Remember that we are all struggling in life and are bound to make mistakes. That is where the concept of forgiveness comes in, and should also include forgiveness of the self.

    I hear you, but repentance comes before forgiveness.

    Repentance also includes restitution to the offended and we have yet to feel guilty enough to even acknowledge the harm we are doing. 

    We have yet to repent ands should hate ourselves for not doing so and act to reform before forgiving ourselves.

    Regards

    DL

  11. If we do not turn our love of self to our hate of self, we are bound for our near extinction.

     

    Science has shown that the good in us, our love side, is dominating us via our selfish gene.

     

    Science is also showing us that we are in a major extinction event that may well include a vast number of people. I doubt that our full extinction will come to pass, but we will be reduced to such small numbers that we will likely revert to a less sophisticated system and city states.

     

    If we do not turn our swords into plows, and devastate the worlds populations with war, our environment will do the deed and near extinct us.

     

    We love our governments and gods. That is why we have let them bring us to the brink of extinction. We follow them so closely that we all have our heads stuck into the ground.

     

    I think, given the incompetence of all governments and gods; we should let our great love for what leads us and turn it to hate, as we should, to insure the survival of people right here and right now. Start to hate the systems that got us all to this pitiful place in time.

     

    We presently elect our incompetent governments and gods for a variety of reasons. We are all tribal and belong to a religious tribe or a government tribe. We all follow their ideologies, theologies or philosophies. We are all the same in this.

     

    Surely, given that we are basically all humans, who wish to love more than hate, can hate those things that are putting us all in peril long enough to do something about our head long leap to near extinction.

     

    The environment is under political control and they are killing our bodies. Our bodies harbor our souls to the physical world where our children live.

     

    I think it is time for a god to take over.

     

    I don’t care if it is a pedophile protecting Pope or a united Christianity, or newly elected Khalif of a newly united Islam, but a god must step up, as our political side has failed humankind completely.

     

    Our politicians are not uniting the world and should be made to step down so that some form of religious system, chosen by the masses, so that we can try uniting under a newly elected god.

     

    Jesus prophesied that that would become a necessity, and so did Socrates before him. Both were right in thinking that such a system would be the best possible end for political theories.

     

    I urge the vast majority of the world, the religious, to have a final battle in the ongoing god wars, which involves our political gods as well. Let their hate out by debate and elect a new god of peace so that our current incompetent batch of leaders might find the best one.

     

    My love of the religious has let loose my hate against our incompetent political leadership and I think we all should, elect a new god and save us from our own near extinction.

     

    We have the means; do we have the will?

     

    Regards

    DL

     

  12. 4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    Though I’m Catholic

    As a P.S.

    I am a Gnostic Christian and am proud to say so. 

    I would never call myself a Catholic, even though born into it, nor a Christian as that would class me with those who follow a genocidal Yahweh/Jesus  and promote a homophobic and misogynous religion.

    You seem to make to much sense to carry such a vile epithet.

    Regards

    DL 

  13. 3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    Though I’m Catholic, it’s not about Catholicism.  I don’t even think it’s about strictly Christianity or a particular organized religion, though these can certainly help direct us.  It’s about human decency and love.  Be good to others and yourself.  Keep it simple.  

    Be good to others, we mostly are, but given that we aere evolving creatures who still seek to be the fittest, the cooperation and good will not be what the loser feels when we compete and he loses.

    Take competition out of what we do and our evolution stalls and we will go extinct.

    I think it best to bite the bullet with the losers and continue to accept the small evil in the greater good of our continuing evolution.

    We are all called by our instincts to compete but most do not hear the call, so the damage is easily mitigated these days.

    Regards

    DL

     

  14. 16 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    Yes!  We can do it.  We need to simplify our lives, learn appreciation, and be better tuned into ourselves and the needs of others, so that we can take better care of ourselves and others.  It's sounds basic because it is.  We have made life harder than it needs to be.

    I agree with your last.

    It is basic, yes, but you will note that Christianity and Islam, while having that decent talk, do not walk their talk.

    They do not want to be better tuned to who they are. They are not enlightened they way Gnostic Christians are.

    Here is what Jesus said of the mainstream religions.

    John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

    Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

     If the religious walked their talk, all would see the heaven on earth that Gnostic Christian Jesus and I see.

    Regards

    DL

  15. Science genius says the governments are slowly killing us with stress.

     

    I know this link is long, but the pertinent information is in the first 15 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=896&v=eYG0ZuTv5rs&feature=emb_title

     

    Facts.

    The rich control the governments.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

    Governments impose poverty and it’s stresses with their regressive and immoral tax control policies. Both income tax and regressive sales and V A Ts.

    https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/01/04/why-vat-is-regressive/

     

    Stress reduces our life expectancy and causes misery and hardship for the vast majority of us.

     

    Most countries and our oligarch masters are the richest they have ever been and can easily afford to end poverty, should they choose to.

     

    Should our governments and oligarch masters be urged to stop reducing our lifespans by using an immoral tax system when they could easily end poverty?

     

    Thoughts?

     

    Regards

    DL

  16. People want to be their own gods. Is that good or evil?

     

    The real Original Sin, then and today, to most Christians, is based on this quote.

    “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil" (Gen. 3:5).

     

    Jesus seems to have wanted this to happen, as that would make us his brethren.

     

    Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught and that Gnostic Christians have embraced.

     

    Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

      

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

     

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

     

    Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

     

    If Jesus wants us to know of good and evil, as a prerequisite to being born again as his brethren, it goes well with Jesus’ prediction as quoted above.

     

    That may be why Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan.

     

    I am not a literal reader of this myth, but this seems to make sense. It follows then that it makes sense for Adam to ignore Yahweh’s command not to gain an education.

     

    Thoughts?

     

    Regards

    DL

  17. 12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

    Less economically strong economies tend to be more religious.  It's about education.  Educated & wealthier people stop drinking the religious Kool-aid and have stronger political institutions.

    The U.S situation belies this.

    Mind you, some think that Americans are intentionally being dumbed down by the leadership so the education you favor is being denied them.

    Intelligent people are so hard to control. They always want better.

    Regards

    DL

     

     

  18. On 2/22/2020 at 5:49 PM, Army Guy said:

    Killing is part of nature, it within all of us, men and women, we have been killing each other for objects, or resources since we climbed down for the trees.

    Thanks for your anecdote.

    On this bit above, I would like to remind you that we have had 5,000 years of war under the male war gods, while the previous 20,000 years was relatively peaceful under the female goddesses.

    Killing seems to be more of a male issue than a female issue and as you say, even most men are not comfortable after a kill as shown with PTSD.

    We are conditioned to love war and kill, as you say, and should be able to condition ourselves to love peace just as easily.

    All it takes is political and religious will, and those two selfish groups make too much cash on war to offer the remedy.

    Regards

    DL

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