Michael Hardner
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18 minutes ago, Army Guy said:
1. ... i'm almost sure that the counter protesters never called anyone any names, how could they it is not in their nature..
2. I don't think that the parents requests are to much to ask for, here in NB it was about keeping parents informed of their Childs life...
3. some how the media, and you and other blew right past that point and got stuck on the name calling...
4.I consider you to be the voice of reasoning here, although i have been told my reasoning has slipped into the right side of things in last few months....
1. Of course they did.
2. That part is fine, but they are also saying that SOGI should be removed from schools.
3. Calling teachers pedophiles is pretty vile. They're not even making up the curriculum.
4. Well when you appeal to my better nature you will get results. I am quite aggravated by the name calling and have been dragged into the mud. I feel bad about it.
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Just now, Michael Hardner said:
Not a whole list. Just that.
The Chuds call Trudeau a pedophile, they call teachers groomers, they call gay folks the rainbow people...
But call them deplorables, Chuds or something nowhere near as bad as pedophile and it's..
HOW DARE YOU SIR !
Furthermore, a Chud lady told me she had PROOF that they were letting kids be furries and identify with cats... even let the kids poop in a box in class.
You know what the proof was? A parent in Alberta told her it was real.
And they also know that the media lies. But that anonymous parent in Alberta... you can count on her...
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5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:
ya chuds maybe Michael can add a few that i missed he has a whole list of names he calls them...
Not a whole list. Just that.
The Chuds call Trudeau a pedophile, they call teachers groomers, they call gay folks the rainbow people...
But call them deplorables, Chuds or something nowhere near as bad as pedophile and it's..
HOW DARE YOU SIR !
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23 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:
1. I didn't check your link, but don't see that as in the middle. I would think the majority of parents would want to know if their child feels they are trans.
2. But I would also think that a minority would want them to take hormone therapy at that early age. If they still feel the same way by the time they are the age of reason, they can still do that.
3. I don't see those views as split at all.
1. They would support them is the point
2. Yes I said that.
3. It's split from the extreme points of the debate.
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33 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:
1. It's a complex issue, many wokes are clearly antisemites as well as people on the far right, despite being quite well paid for the activism they do.
2. When you're talking about guerrilla groups, are you meaning that these demonstrations on a weekday at working hours is guerrilla warfare, rather than a moral panic protest at worst?
1. Many wokes are antisemitic, and are also paid to be woke. You would never be able to back that up.
2. They're unorganized.
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As usual, the Canadian public falls in the middle. About 70% with support their child coming out as trans but only 20% would support hormone therapy.
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1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:
The anti-woke movements in Canada don't have a leader or really someone representing the movement for many, so you see people in the streets who are basically the reflection of the average voter and average person, not someone who's been trained to speak to media. Plus, they do it on a week day during working hours.
The woke movements, on the other hand, receive public funding, are well organized and have many media trained personalities to spread the ideology.
The average person doesn't do well when it comes to dialoguing about politics or expressing their values. It's a reflection of our society. Many anti-wokes have many different reasons to congregate together, from many walks of life. Funnily enough, the association between the far right and muslims is really a surprise. If you said a few months ago that Muslims and the far right in Canada would be on the same side for a societal issue and would hold demonstrations together, you'd be called a kook too.
Any organization receiving money is accountable for what they say. They can't call Pierre Poilievre a pedophile, they can't say there's a world Jewish conspiracy behind the antiwoke movement..
And even their woke statements are probably restrained compared to some of the things that are quoted on here.
That is the only thing I'm pointing out, the difference between institutional groups and guerrilla groups.
I knew the Muslim Alliance with the Chuds was coming. I think I may have even posted about it on here.
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2 hours ago, Boges said:
TBH I'm seeing more aggression from those that don't want Trans issue being discussed at all.
And the decline of institutions also means that these arguments are going to be between tribal groups of people rather than representative groups, with policies processes and limits on how they express themselves.
So somebody saying that they saw a trans woman talking about lactation isn't about one person talking, they represent an entire movement to that person. Similarly all of the marchers that I spoke to, and I mean all of them, say different things and will invoke trudeau, the w e f, and call teachers groomers.
Can we say anything about these groups then? Maybe not.
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What we can say is that trans rights are enshrined in law, and schools will teach what they need to to balance the views of the public, and teach the value of tolerance and acceptance.
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7 hours ago, Boges said:
There were duelling protests at schools yesterday, ...
Read the articles you posted. I don't think a single protest happened at a school.
7 hours ago, Boges said:Or is this caustic debate simply about pronouns and how some Provinces are telling teachers that they have to let a parent know if a child wants to go by a different pronoun.
The protest is unwieldy, and the participants are angry and not much more.
No two of them will articulate their point the same way, and none of them are directing the protest towards any platform that would result in change of any kind.
It's just a perpetual parade of anger, even calling it a protest is probably inaccurate.
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They also say that it wasn't a hate march but they continue to call teachers groomers...
This movement is unwieldy, disorganized and filled with kooks. I'm being generous.
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6 minutes ago, eyeball said:
Now he just needs to resign.
So shocking for there to be a corrupt conservative politician. I have to lie down.
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3 minutes ago, Nexii said:
I find it hard to believe that's purely due to misconceptions.
Why? People don't have knowledge of how things work.
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16 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:
Not really.
I strongly feel there is too much discussion about this sort of thing. It has been blown out of proportion by activists. I strongly suspect 90% (or more) of the people really don't give a rats ass but become involved because a small vocal minority keep on and on and on. Shoving something down peoples throats and being righteous does not make the thing stuck in their throats taste any better.
Making this a thing about children is as farcical as teachers going on strike for more money and saying it is all about the kids.
Ok well we sure talked about it enough before a trans person joined the board. It's conceivable that another perspective could make the conversation better.
You don't have to discuss if you don't want. I would like the discussion to move towards discussion of how rights are considered in the public sphere but I can't control that either.
The marchers yesterday were trying to make it about children, but they sure talk about Trudeau, vaccines, the WEF, unions and other things a lot...
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1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:
... why should I care what you do with your sexual life?
There you have it.
I mean, I asked because I suspected as much.
You don't have to care but it's interesting and likely helpful to the discussion...
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19 minutes ago, Nexii said:
Endless information if you look for it out there. Even in the 90s that was the case. And I don't mean the recent trend of weird woke articles paid for god knows who. I mean medical / educational type literature. It's not like transsexuality is anything new to humanity, it's always existed.
Sometimes I wonder if the viewpoint of there being three genders causes less strife. That seems to be more the norm historically, modern Western culture is an anomaly if anything.
Interesting again. What's your experience? Are you personally involved with trans folks?
2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:Long past LOL
Explain to Chuds Why they DON'T want that.
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8 hours ago, Nexii said:
Schools are kind of a red herring in all this to be honest.
I've never heard that. Can you clarify how you know that? What's your experience with this issue?
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On 9/17/2023 at 4:48 PM, The AntiGark said:
Until humility comes, all the rest of the virtues, ring false.
I am right, nor wrong. All I have is the best I have been able to do, so far. Tomorrow, I hope to do better.
When I choose a humble position (right, nor wrong - still learning) there is at least a chance I can do better, tomorrow. When I choose to believe I am right, there is not.
Is this really a bargain, in which you would like to participate; trading your progress for a bag of candy, for your ego?
Yes this is accurate.
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3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:
.. ad hominem attacks and insults.
That's all you're going to get from this one. You really should stop talking to them.
You're going to McDonald's and expecting a fine New York steak.
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1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
I’ve no objection to any of that either way. However, I suspect ‘Jewish Month’ might be a better way to put what you don’t want there.
If they declared Jewish month, can you imagine the Chud backlash. They would start demanding crosses in the classroom...
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5 hours ago, suds said:
- The President of the Ontario School Board Association has publicly stated that "They (the trustees) make all the decisions regarding all the policies of a school board."
2. It certainly sounds clear to me that it's the trustees that set school district policy and approve reading lists or anything of that nature that are beyond the ministry's list of approved textbooks. Librarians likely have a say but it's the trustees who are ultimately held accountable by the public (and the ministry) and it's only right that they should be.
3. You seem to have this idea that they shouldn't be held accountable. Please explain in more detail if possible.
1. I didn't see that quote. The excerpt I provided seems to contradict this as it was stated that a committee including one trustee, I think, make the selection.
2. Well the Ministry at least sets the curriculum.
3. Where do you get that? I am just trying to understand how it works.
At this point, I need something definitive. Your points are fine but I also have a single example from Durham and a vague article from CBC that are all all over the map.
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12 hours ago, eyeball said:
Maybe there's a bigger center than people realize. Look at how many conservatives around here have been written off as left wingers these last few years for example. I'm pretty sure there are lots of right wing progressives who'd move in their direction if they had the choice.
The problem with voting for the CPC means that you're voting for a party which includes a high percentage of deplorable chuds. I figure that's around 25% of the party and 10% of the Canadian electorate. As the next election draws closer Poilievre will need to scrape these off or face an uphill struggle trying to keep soft-boiled conservatives interested.
Especially the more triggered the hard-boiled ones get and start looking more deep-fried.
The idea that having a Pride flag, or accommodation of diverse backgrounds is "left" is ridiculous. The centre is pretty ok with most of this.
The marchers today make extreme claims, and then hold up the most extreme demands of some LGBTQ supporters as evidence of extremism.
Dialogue must be prioritized over protest and fighting. The marchers are actually against Trudeau in this issue. Why? Who knows. The Federal government has little to do with this compared to local and provincial government. They also accuse teachers of taking it upon themselves to convince kids they're LGBTQ and accuse them of being pedophiles and groomers.
They use terms like battle and war, and evoke religious wars also.
Counter protest? Absolutely. They can see how much support for LGBTQ rights there really are.
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11 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:
Book is called "Gender Queer", can be googled.
Apparently there's books that teach how to perform gay sex acts. The author argues if they teach about hetero acts they should teach about gay acts or its homophobia, which is a valid argument, but I personally don't remember being taught how to perform acts, I do remember learning about anatomy and how procreation works. Hetero blowjobs weren't taught from my memory but I could be wrong, and definitely no visual guides LOL.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/
I was able to find this explanation. Informative.
A lot of people posting on this thread were wrong about some things, including me.
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2 hours ago, suds said:
From this I would have to say it lies mainly in the hands of the trustees to decide what goes into the school libraries in Ontario.
I don't see how you got that from the excerpt.
3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:1. Depends if you consider the visual depiction of gay sex acts in school libraries as "pornographic". I wouldn't call it a "lie".
...gay blowjobs not so much.
Can you cite the gay blowjobs thing?
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5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:
1. Advertising sole purpose is to influence people.
2. I do not understand what "customer demand" is in context to school boards. Seems to me, in my 5 school boards that it is a constant argument between board members. To the point that meetings have been shut down and parents protests outside of the meetings. In the need, nothing changes.
I am unsure of what members of the board are supposed to do or manage. Seems personal agendas are the rule.
1. You're talking past me.
2. It seems like an example of what I mean.
Another example of why their is no dialogue in Canada with the left.
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1. Yes. That was intended to show the marchers and the public that there's plenty of support for the education system as it is.
2. 3. Ok.
4. My appeal to both sides approach is to ask for dialogue, not at a march, but in online and IRL forums. And the dialogue has to be fact based. The so-called left needs to absolutely appreciate that the common goal is social cohesion, ie. getting along and nothing more. The social phenomenon of transgenderism is utterly new to the average person and many aren't equipped to empathize, and find it shocking.
That's an obvious fact. So the best thing to hope for is live and let live.
Yes but they made those as a kind of hillbilly version of black pride... really because Hillary's words offended them and made them feel all melted inside...