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  1. Say her name, lefties, because your vote contributed to this young woman's death

    in Federal Politics in the United States

    Posted

    1 hour ago, User said:

    He is obfuscating. Just playing games. Anything to avoid having to admit the obvious here. 

     

    I told you I would give your post an honest read, which you seemed to accept wholeheartedly.

    And now you're back accusing me of "games" presumably because I didn't just automatically agree with you...

    Remind me to never post to you again.

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  3. Say her name, lefties, because your vote contributed to this young woman's death

    in Federal Politics in the United States

    Posted

    10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

    Been reading through this and Mike...one of two things are true here.

    1. You are avoiding the overall issue by trying to focus the discussion on a single case. If this is true, then you are simply shilling for the open border policy.

    2. You don't understand the overall issue. If this is true, then you are truly dumber than you look.

    Now Mike...which is it?

    Why are you posting to me ?  I opened the thread and saw this... I wasn't posting to you.

     

    Single issue ?  What's the title of this thread ?  


    It's not dishonest to say someone was murdered, but it's deceptive to blame people who support a multi-sided ECONOMIC question for said murder.  And this from the same side that supports lots of policies that are bad for people.

    I want to be clear - any policy involves trade offs and these can be done without blaming people for the ills of the world.  I expect right and left on here to do that.  Similarly, people blame bathroom policy in North Carolina for causing suicides in the western states.

    If you are principled then you need to avoid these traps, IMO.

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  5. NFL

    in Travel, Leisure and Sports

    Posted

    1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

    The Vikings do not compete with Kansas City. They are not even in the same Conference. The Vikings need to catch the 1st place Lions (10-1).

    The faker competition includes all teams.

  10. Say her name, lefties, because your vote contributed to this young woman's death

    in Federal Politics in the United States

    Posted

    22 hours ago, User said:

    You say you can't proceed past the premise but want me to explain why I have the premise... yes, that is a game. 

    What is the difference here that impacts the point of the comparison?

    What specifically makes this a poor analogy?

    Your underlying argument is that a single murder is not a problem that constitutes a need for a policy review. 

    1. I showed you how in fact, single incidents involving the death of a person are a cause for policy review

    2. It is not a single murder. Illegal immigration has resulted in thousands of deaths to include murders and other tragedies from things like DUI's, not even including the violent crimes that result in rape or severe bodily harm. 

    This is just one example. 
     

    We are not merely talking about immigration. We are very specifically talking about illegal immigration and the refusal to deport illegal immigrants who engage in criminal activity and are caught. 

    Good thing I did not frame my argument that way. 

    Yes. 100% yes. 

    It is worth understanding who that person was, did they have a violent past, did we miss that, is there a better screening process, were they a repeat offender and why didn't we do anything the first times they were caught...

    These are all easy common sense questions to ask and review to ensure other people are not victimized when we can make common sense and easy changes to the policy and process. 

    This is not complicated. The problem is only as large as we have allowed it to become. The killer of Laken Riley was here illegally. He had already been arrested for several other crimes and let go. Let go by people more interested in protecting criminals from deportation. People more interested in advancing open borders madness, no matter the cost. Laken Riley would be alive today had this illegal immigrant been deported. Had our Immigration laws been enforced from the outset and this person been deported. 

    All the other victims out there who have been raped, violently attacked, and murdered should not have been. 

    I think that there enough reason to curtail illegal immigration law n the basics: overcrowding, economic reasons etc.  I find that emotional starting points are used. Cynically. 

    If a single unnecessary death is enough of a threshold to trigger a policy discussion then almost any policy can be triggered in this way. FDA, security, education, identity politics...

  16. Say her name, lefties, because your vote contributed to this young woman's death

    in Federal Politics in the United States

    Posted

    2 hours ago, User said:

    1. You say you can't proceed past the premise but want me to explain why I have the premise... yes, that is a game. 

    1. Ok - I will read your entire post and respond in good faith if you like.  I'm backtracking and withdrawing my stubborn refusal to engage with you.

    But if you don't trust me to do this in good faith then we should just not bother because why engage with someone you think is trolling you.

    Do you believe I can read your post and give an honest assessment, and that we can just discuss what we think or no ?  Your call on this, I can understand completely if not.

  17. Say her name, lefties, because your vote contributed to this young woman's death

    in Federal Politics in the United States

    Posted

    1 hour ago, User said:

    I already told you why. You ignored it. You explicitly said you stopped reading before it. Then I told you again that you ignored it. 

     

    Ok, since you are being civil I'll re-open this.  It's not a "game"... I can't proceed past the premise but if you say you explained it further on let's see...

    "A single murder is evidence of a problem with the policy. 

    The issue is not my foundation. 

    If a person dies in a manufacturing plant after getting trapped in an oven... guess what happens? Policy review. How did that person get trapped? What can we do to prevent that? OSHA shows up and checks policy. "

     

     

    Ok, well workplace accidents are investigated differently than murders with regards to root causes.  We can examine immigration policy on the whole in terms of costs/effects and we indeed DO that with industrial safety but it's not a good analogy.

    Workplace safety is part of industrial and economic sphere, healthcare sphere but the flow of people into/out of the country is broader.  If course if you let people into the country in any sense then some of them will cause problems.  I saw a piece about a camp of Afghan refugees who were brought in after the US pulled out, and these were people who were friendly to the US.  There was an egregious assult in a large camp which some pointed to as evidence that Afghanis shouldn't be allowed in.

    I take huge exception to framing arguments this way, which is why I stopped reading your post where I did.

    Is a single assault in a camp enough to trigger a policy review on bringing over Afghannis who helped us over there ?

    Now, I'm NOT trying to say you're wrong here - I would rather just ask you honest questions and try to figure out the parameters you use in making decisions about a large and complicated topic such as this.  I have disarmed myself... 

    Over to you.

     

  20. Matt Gaetz Withdraws...

    in Federal Politics in the United States

    Posted

    28 minutes ago, Deluge said:

    Trump should just wait until January 21 to do all this. He knows who he wants, why let a bunch of f*cking woke degenerates turn down all your nominees? 

    Degenerates ! 😂

     

    Not Gaetz, but DEGENERATES 🤣

    28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

    That would be the democrats.  

    Duh.  What did you think I meant?

     

    Why do you reply to me? Do you do this often?

  25. Say her name, lefties, because your vote contributed to this young woman's death

    in Federal Politics in the United States

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    1 hour ago, User said:

    This is, in fact, a policy discussion because it is the policies that led to this tragic murder. 

    Not only this one, but many others. 

    If you want to play the more abstract statistics game, we can look at the hundreds of thousands of known criminal illegal immigrants that are in our country. We don't have to talk about this one person, we can talk about all the other victims too. 

     

    We should start with an agreement on what constitutes a problem.

    Is a single murder a problem that requires a policy review?

    Sorry to shake your foundation but it's not.

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