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Michael Hardner

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  1. 43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

    Some kids in grade 6 are below that age.

    Grade 7 is about the earliest you should be getting into it with kids as a group. If parents feel their individual kid is ready for the talk earlier then great, have at it.

    Not if they schedule it in the 2nd 1/2 of the year.  

    But anyway, after a little dialogue and a few questions here we are determining whether something should be taught in grade six or grade seven rather than calling each other names...

  2. 10 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

     12 years of age or older, would be an appropriate age to teach this to kids. 

    The curriculum agrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_sex_education_curriculum_controversy

    "Grade 6 students being taught about gender expression and masturbation"

    I agree with criticism of the material that was Sanctioned in Georgia, that Graham posted.  However it was about clarity and confusion - debateable and reasonable discussion points there.

  3. 2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

    I don't think a kid the age that book is written for is able to process the concepts in this book.  When I was in elementary school I barely knew what masturbation was.  Even knowing what sex vs gender is would be tough for them.  This books is going to leave a lot of them confused.  Leave it for the teen years.

    This is a perfectly valid criticism.

  4. 37 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:


    Nobody has the balls to confront them, as they are petrified of being labeled as transphobic. 

    I mean, they even have coined terms to silence biological women concerned for the erosion of their rights, to make way for this group.

    Those who confront them are met with violence and vitriol.


    Oh stop it.  We had a whole protest last week that was national and included lots of messages that were unsupportive of Trans people being acknowledged in education. 

    They were supported by a national leader.  That is the political landscape for both sides and you're no stranger to making generalizations and calling out an agenda.


    Stop whining.


  5. 4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

    Uh huh, uh huh.  January 6th was a deep-state conspiracy and the MAGA cult is totally reasonable and never gets out of hand.  🙄

    How about the people who are lying about lgbtq issues and sex ed protesting in an actual school in Toronto last week?

    The Wednesday protests were at government buildings, Thursday they actually went to a school.

    And they say leave the kids alone? Shameful.

    And let's talk also about the rabid term groomers that people use to talk about all teachers across the board...

    If people aren't willing to air their views respectfully, as a group, then why should normal people listen to them?

    And before somebody sites some rabid activist from the left... Rest assured that people aren't listening to them either.

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  6. 37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

    1. So what. Every parent wants to know everything their child is going through. That's a no-brainer.

    2. Stick to academics, keep your personal ideas about societal reform out of it.

    1. I was actually supporting YOUR point when I wrote that... so what?  So... YOU said parents should be kept in the loop is what...

    2. The context for this is unmoored from your point.


  7. 2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    1. What makes you think most parents are okay with SOGI?  The polls say otherwise.

    2. Hardner, I think you’re in league with groomers, perhaps unwittingly.

    3. I agree that if a 16 year old girl comes to a teacher and asks, “How do I get an abortion?”, medical privacy protects that disclosure.  However, if the teacher then answers the question with a direction on where to go to get an abortion, now the educator is overstepping boundaries by playing the role of medical practitioner and moral or immoral (depending on your beliefs) guide.  As an educator I would say that the decision to have an abortion is one made by the person choosing to get or not get an abortion, no one else’s.  Getting an abortion as a procedure is something one goes to a hospital or doctor to get.  It’s got zero to do with the school, unless of course it’s a religious school that has a specific and constitutionally protected religious perspective.  

    1. Based on polls over the curriculum BEFORE Ford revised it.

    2. So you're here accusing me of supporting child molesters then right? It's a really great way to not debate people to basically call them monsters.

    3. If the teacher directs them to resources including counselors,Planned Parenthood among other options, then that's aligned with their civic obligations in my books.  


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  8. 8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

    1. Quite sure it's mandatory to give all children in Canada an education.
    2. Parents are allowed to teach at home or make their own private school, but it has to meet provincial standards. You have to teach the curriculum.
    3. I think that's all parents are asking teachers to do here. Stop this extra-curricular stuff
    4. Also that no adult should have a secret with any child that their parents don't know about.


    1. I said "sometimes" not all the time.
    2.I did a one-minute Google check: BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and Nunavut allow you to opt out of sex ed.  I stopped there and didn't look further.
    3. It's so unspecific and un-informed and the message from the marchers so so blurry as to be meaningless.  They want "SOGI out of education" ... what does that mean then ?  Could mean anything.  Furthermore most parents are ok with most of what is taught and only want tweaks.  The march absolutely exists on things being unclear both in the perceptions of the participants and the message being conveyed.
    4. something like 85% of parents support being informed of children's choices on prounouns etc.  I would also ask them to include counselling in that meeting.  But the support at that level would mean a majority of NDP and Liberal parents too.  The controversy is much smaller than it would seem.  As for "any secret" ... some of that isn't in the education system.  If a 16 year old girl asks a teacher how she can have an abortion the teacher has to respect the legal rights to the child to privacy as far as I know.

    I do appreciate that I'm learning a lot about the system via this process, but the anger is aggravating when you consider that it's largely based on misinformation and not directed anywhere that can make change.... sometimes directed at calling people 'groomers' for doing their jobs.  That's disgusting to me and makes me want to give the marchers no quarter.

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  9. 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

    1. Can you demonstrate or cite otherwise?  

    2. You are correct. maybe we should start a trend? Send them back to what they think is a better world for them. Let them survive and prosper and attack and war and enslave with other tribes?


    1. No, you made the claim.  I just have doubts.  Up to you if you want to cite your claim or not.
    2. I was thinking more we start by admitting faults in our own culture but I don't know how you would feel about that.  As I said, we get pretty upset with white poppies because... well I'm not sure... but that might be something.

  10. 42 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

    1. They are the only peoples on earth that have not bettered themselves in modern society.

    2. They do not help themselves and only complain we do not give them enough.

    3. Give them a greenbelt of a million acres and say, go forth and live as your ancestors, no more money, or assistance.  

    1. That doesn't sound accurate but ok.
    2. Probably easier for someone not in that culture to blame their culture but ok.
    3. Yeah, but no people on earth do this.  Every people have their cultural norms that they guard but ok.

    I don't think your point of view is something that they would accept, and so ... well it's probably not going to happen.  But I'm not saying anything in particular about your POV.  Lots feel that way.

  11. 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

    On top of the more than $100 billion they have gotten over the past 300 years...

    You know, they'd probably settle for $50B 😂

    Anyway, it's fun to see people blow their tops on this stuff but sad that there's no way to actually resolve it.  In terms of the people, I would like someone to acknowledge that indeed they lost a lot.  If the people who flip the table over if you try to change the COLOUR of the poppy would at least do that, I would be happy.

  12. 8 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

    1. A good 20%, I believe, according to polls.

    2. Your pretense of being conservative is not designed to appeal to both sides, but as mockery. You're as 'woke' as anyone on this site.

    1. I meant with regards to the broad application of inclusion of LGBTQ people being part of the values of the education system.
    2. "Woke" means zero.  "Conservative" means something.  Too many Chuds support unlimited deficits, environmental decay, immoral behaviour, and mockery of institutions only because dear leader Trump does.  They aren't conservative.

  13. 50 minutes ago, August1991 said:

    The Sorcerer - 1977 - Imdb Cost: 22 million, Revenue: 9 million.

    It's available on Youtube. I reckon that this bomb is due to casting, and the third act. 

    You're Francophone.

    Vous devez voir "Le Salaire de la Peur" the original.  Once it gets going... your fists will tighten.

  14. 56 minutes ago, August1991 said:

    What a business! As William Goldman wrote, "No one knows anything."

    I disagree - on two points. I happen to think that Goldman made Damon and Affleck. 

    Second point? I'm talking of Goldman - on the Internet. Point made.


    Here's my initial list:


    -Heaven's Gate




    I read Goldman's book.  He was a miracle.  I would see films and love then, then find out he was script doctor.

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