Michael Hardner
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28 minutes ago, BTDT said:
Don't know, but was he pushing Net-Zero? I don't recall him saying so and I have a good memory.
I hate double standards and aren't they always put out by those that have. I remember seeing DH Charles stating "you'll have nothing and be happy". Sure no problem, right after Charles gives up his creature comforts, I'll be right in line. Give up you castles, your cars and get a real job. Effing Monarchy!
Funding for electric cars, funding environmental research... I suppose so.
It's not a double-standard if you say "we should do this thing more" and you can't do it for practical reasons...
"You'll have nothing and be happy" is a meaningless nothing, which has been copy/pasted to shock people into thinking that Marxism is imminent, IMO. You're proving my point by mis-attributing the quote that you remember.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-the-world-economic-forum-does-not-have-a-stated-goal-to-have-people-idUSKBN2AP2SP/
This says someone named Ida Auken wrote it.
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23 minutes ago, BTDT said:
1. So he is the PM and as useless as the last one?
2. That makes him what...God? I guess you believe in Kings and Queens thinking they are far better than the people.3. But he was and made decisions there.
4. Was Carney mentioned in those articles? If not, how convenient!
1. Yeah, maybe ? What's your point ? Did Harper ride around on an electric bike ?
2. The LEAP !
3. Yeah, and your assertion regarding CBC coverage is adddressed.
4. Yes, some of them...-
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Actually Carney would look good in a top hat, taking off in a balloon to go Around the World in 80 Days...
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24 minutes ago, BTDT said:
1. If someone is pushing Net-Zero, then they should be following their rule and not taking flights all over the place or being driven around in gas powered vehicles. Practice what you preach! In fact, instead of flying here and there, use the internet and Zoom for meetings.
2. But I came across this after a friend informed me of it. What is Canada's second biggest export to China? Coal! And how is Carney involved? Brookfield now has a 49% stake in coal in Australia, down from a 100% some years ago.
3. Unfortunately, it seems we just can't see news like this on Canada's Progaganda Channel aka CBC.
1. So if someone believes in the long-term reduction of Carbon they should walk everywhere or bike ? That's ridiculous. He's the PM.
2. Good for you for recognizing our stake in dirty fuel. I would think Carney is not involved in Brookfield anymore, or at least is arm's-length from any investment there.
3. I found more than ten pages of stories on coal when I googled "Coal exports" site:CBC.ca
Example:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/potential-plan-keep-coal-power-plants-running-1.7441046
Good word play on "Carney in the coal mine" btw ...
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On 7/8/2025 at 3:51 PM, TreeBeard said:
So do I. But your answer is as vague as people saying “progressives hate Canada”. There’s never any examples. Just vague notions that it must be happening.
I've been listening to the CBC in the mornings, as usual, but now trying to find examples of things that favor a liberal, small l. L. Liberal viewpoint
In the selection of stories, I see things like the Alberta anti separatist movement, a lot of stories about labour and Trump forever. Of course these are covered by right-wing media also, a differently.
As for the environment, you have to listen closely but I did hear something interesting... A kind of casual mention that there would be a piece coming up above the Texas floods, and other climate disasters. Climate scientists would back away from tying. Any specific event to climate change? Because as you know, disasters, natural disasters I mean, happen all the time. We can say that climate change will cause more natural disasters, generally, because that conclusion is supported. But as I said real climate scientist would not and or should not say this particular event was a climate change caused event.
Of course it's a far cry from people saying that volcanoes cause climate change, or that it's a conspiracy theory etc.
But there you have it, from what I can see it's misreporting on the science. Small? Sure, but we're just talking about evidence of bias here.
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6 hours ago, robosmith said:
CLEARLY DOGE CUTS PLAYED A ROLE in HUNDREDS of DEATHS in TEXAS FLOODS and yes Trump was RESPONSIBLE for DOGE firings because Musk had NO AUTHORITY without Trump's ORDERS.
As Floods Hit, Key Roles Were Vacant at Weather Service ...
3 days ago — The Weather Service's nearby San Antonio office, which covers other areas hit by the floods, also had significant vacancies, including a warning ...DOGE Cuts Contributed to Texas Flood Impact—Former ...
12 hours ago — Former NOAA administrator Rick Spinrad said an NWS vacancy could have been why some people didn't receive flood warnings.1 day ago — The vacancies include a key manager responsible for issuing warnings and coordinating with local emergency management officials.Across Texas, key positions at National Weather Service ...
6 hours ago — Key positions at National Weather Service offices across Texas are vacant, sowing doubt over the state's ability to respond to natural disasters...
I accept the wording of the articles, as they're contemplative and speculative.
But we'll never know for sure. The inability to assess the truth to a high degree of certainty means objective knowledge again is elusive, in our time.
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7 hours ago, TreeBeard said:
Well yeah. The CBC doesn’t do that nearly as much. But mainstream media is owned by very rich right wingers. So to say that they are an example of the “left wing media” overstating climate change is weird.
I had to scroll back to check... I didn't mention "Left Wing" media, I said 'liberal'.
There may be left-wing media, but there's really no left-wing mass media such as TV, radio, or newspaper networks.
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5 hours ago, I am Groot said:
Since Trudeau first started this 'reconciliation' BS, all I've seen and heard is that there has never been more mutual resentment on the part of both natives and everyone else. When your idea of reconsiliation is to tell one side that they're guilty of some horrible crime and then tell the other side they're nothing but oppressed victims, you're going to create anger in both parties. And that's what's happened.
Do you think people like this lead to Canadians wanting reconciliation with natives?
The people on the left who have absorbed the worst of the progressive belief in social justice and identity politics have turned guilt-mongering into careers. In some cases, literally. They badger everyone at every opportunity and constantly shift the focus of the discussion towards their preferred victim group and the oppression they imagine they experience. It's tiresome.
We didn't sugges their myths are valid evidence in a court before.
And you think that the 40% of young Canadians who would gladly have Canada be the 51st state just came out of nowhere?
Why Trudeau ?
Harper was part of it too: https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1100100015644/1571589171655Nobody is telling white Canadians that they're guilty of crimes, that's hyperbole.
I don't know who Selam Debs is, the individual quoted.
You're critiquing "people of the left" generally, which is fine - I addressed that angle with Graham.I don't think mythology has been used in court as evidence by anyone. It would be a pretty easy thing to shoot down.
I imagine the 40% are unhappy with their prospects and a terrible economy.
Anyway... we're not talking about the system teaching people to hate Canadians any more. We're talking about divisiveness, economy, morality... and all of these fights are happening all over the west.
We've strayed into the general malaise of the zeitgeist...
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4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:
Example?
I will caveat this by saying the media often sensationalizes things all the time. Let’s hear your example of the cbc doing this.
Yes, that's what it is - sensationalism. I wasn't talking about the CBC but generally. An example would be covering a story where someone makes an untrue claim about climate effects without challenging or fact checking. I think the President of the Maldives was in the news, for example, saying his country would be underwater in seven years.
Such extreme claims are not given the same rigourous test of truth as if you had a hayseed on the news saying it was volcanic activity or somesuch.
And, for the record, I don't think that these mainstream examples are anything like the outright lies, especially those that are planted intentionally and/or funded, that we see from climate deniers. But it is a thing. -
1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:
1. But your answer is as vague as people saying “progressives hate Canada”. There’s never any examples. Just vague notions that it must be happening.
2. About a third of Conservative voters in Canada believe in anthropogenic climate change.
3. You’re right. But they are far from mainstream in liberal politics, unlike conservatives.
1. That's fair. I don't have any examples right now. If I listen to the radio tomorrow, I'll bet you I would come up with a few
2. I bet you that 1/3 could convince the other 2/3 more than Dr. David Suzuki could. Moral arguments on this topic have their limits.
3. No, I hear mainstream reporting with exaggerated claims on climate change all the time.
1 hour ago, Barquentine said:Should the CBC be creating/carrying entertainment? They've done great things in the past but the media universe is so large and ever-present, maybe they should stick to news, information and documentaries.
Why not? They've had some success in the past... No reason to imagine that it's impossible for them to succeed.
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23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:
1. What makes you think that it doesn’t?
2. The problem with the loudest of conservatives is that they think talking about things like climate change are a leftwing issue. They literally want the CBC to give equal time to conspiracy theories.1. I listen to it, and there's a presumption that right-wing viewpoints are exceptional.
2. There are lots of conservative viewpoints on climate change that aren't conspiracy theories. You do realize that liberal viewpoints are also prone to errors and unscientific claims don't you ? -
45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
There's no benefit to a public broadcaster. There may have been back in the days before the internet, but it's obvious that in Canada the left will use it as a tool to attack the conservatives.
If you gave a shit about having a public broadcaster you should have been making these suggestions and demanding change about a decade ago. At this point it's too late
Why is that necessarily so ? I mean that they would attack Conservatives ? Do you think Conservatives aren't Canadian enough that there aren't any with any influence on the public sphere, media at all ?
I'm not so pessimistic as you. I think we would hugely benefit from a strong public broadcaster that is centrist and includes voices from the right.
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If we agree that there's value in a public broadcaster - as a supermajority of wealthy open democracies do - we can talk about building a new frame for news and entertainment.
As R. Buckminster Fuller indicated, it's best to build a new structure beside the old one. Once the new one is functional, the old one will be redundant.-
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12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:
1. No, it's a statement saying which problems/issues we should and shouldn't discuss according to you.
2. I don't think there's some "conspiracy", which denotes some secret planned agreement among a group of people. There's a bunch of people in this country, from politicians to educators, typically those we call "progressives", who can't celebrate Canada Day without including an asterisk about how we should feel a bunch of shame and guilt about past wrongs on a day meant for celebration. We have 364 other days to acknowledge past wrongs, including a holiday in Sept literally dedicate to that. Canada Day is meant for celebrating this country and all the good it entails. Sometimes I leave the toilet seat up and snore in my sleep but my birthday party isn't the time to bring those things up.
11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:3. for one, don't feel any guilt celebrating this country on Canada Day. No need to feel shame about celebrating it, no need for an asterisk.
4. Also, "Turtle Island" is what some indigenous groups called/call the continent of North America, it's not a synonym for Canada, which is a distinct entity. Maybe we can have a Turtle Island Day and celebrate the continent, do it with the US and Mexico etc. I'm all for "truth and reconciliation" but truth needs to come from all sides. No more myth-making narratives.
5. The problem with the left I've noticed (and used to be guilty of) is that they tend to only see the negative in anyone/anything that is strong. The US, the wealthy, corporations, you name it. Of course that's because when you're strong you have power, and sometimes the powerful abuse their power and can harm the less powerful, which is fine and good to criticize. E.g. It's easy to rag on Amazon or Walmart, but you never hear the left talk about the benefits to society from having low-cost and convenient goods from these companies. Same with the USA. It's the shittiest country in the world...but compared to which other powerful countries exactly?
6. For all the good progressives want to do why does so much of their rhetoric seem to divisive?
1. The thread is pretty specific. And, yes, if you're bringing up conspiracies to add to the agenda I can give the response that is: "this is not important". As for 'unity'... I do think that's an important issue. If you think it is, then frame the problem properly before starting a discussion. If you forgot, this thread is about people (apparently) saying that reconciliation is not worth discussing in schools... so that is "we need to stop talking about this" as well - but from your side.
2. Right, and in this I agree with your complaint to a degree and your objection to the fabric of what "Canada Day" is. But it's a general gripe, and only tenuously tied to what is taught in schools. I mean, you seem to say "we have a truth and reconciliation day".. so if you agree with that, presumably you want to explain to the kids why they're staying home to watch Paw Patrol that day. But as a complaint along the lines of "people make too much of this"... yeah, sure.
3. Me neither. I also don't see anything anywhere that tells people how to feel, at least from official circles. Individuals may express moral outrage over our relationship with First Nations etc. but that's just a voice, expressing an opinion.4. I don't like myths etiher but I think we have to allow groups to have their myths since G*d knows Christians have 40 loaves and fishes worth.
5. Agreed.6. Because you are on the other side of the line, clearly. I don't think asking people to think about something is divisive, but characterizing people who are asking for that as teaching hatred of Canada is more so, IMO.
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1 minute ago, I am Groot said:
1. Tell me who was tearing down all the statues of the founders of Canada not long ago
2. If you weren't too intellectually lazy to ever read cites
3. But I suspect you've got the same utopian vision, that if only we can wipe away all traces of Canada's history and culture ...
1. I don't know who. Do you ? Was it the people who are accountable to setting curricula in Canada ?
2. I have made the decision to not pursue research when there's a red flag from the outset, such as inflammatory language. We should all be doing that, to filter out the noise.
3. Ha ha ha... so of course it turns to me personally because it's impossible for people to discuss common goals objectively, right ?
Believe me, I think you're an asset to this board but both you and Graham succumb to your emotions when dealing with people you see as unreasonable. I get it - I do too. But I also have *admitted* to succumbing to TDS, and it's incumbent on all of us to try to lazer focus on what is measurable and doable in this climate. Only reasonable people will get us through this.
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8 hours ago, CdnFox said:
They're not finger pointing. They're cheering the deaths of Americans many of which were children.
These are the people you support.
You're right, they're also doing that. It's horrible, of course I don't support that.
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The one thing that is distinctive about the current era, is the common expectation that American natural disasters like this will inevitably result in ridiculous finger-pointing and divisive stupidity. Sad, if you care about people... funny if you want them to fail.
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On 7/1/2025 at 11:39 PM, Moonlight Graham said:
Happy Canada Day Michael.
(PS I confirmed that below is a real post from Waterloo DSB from today).
"My ilk" would look at that and ask ... where exactly does it tell people to hate Canada ?
Answer: it doesn't.
I invite you to attend a school board meeting and tell the audience that the school board 'hates Canada'... You can start your movement there, I suppose.
If you want to reboot our little discussion and tell me what your issue is that, let's wipe the slate clean and do that. -
On 7/1/2025 at 1:32 AM, Moonlight Graham said:
1. Whattaboutism. Unity is an issue in this country. It's hard to feel connected to a "team" when you don't know much about it, or feel ashamed of it.
2. No, the point of the 2nd PM is my argument that people know about our history of residential schools, but they don't know much about the rest of our history before the time of one's birth. Young people know about the shame of those schools, but what else? If they can't name the 2nd PM, what about the 3rd? Or 4th? 5th? 6th? Could they name any PM pre-WWI besides Sir John A (who btw we're made to feel ashamed of, see: cancel culture). Do they know what any PM before they were born even looks like besides the ones that are on our money bills? Is our money the main thing teaching us our history?
3. If you want a united country where provinces don't keep threatening to leave we might want to teach Canadians what this country is all about, where we came from, and why its matters that we're a team in he first place.
4. There's no getting through to a liberal-minded person though. Your ilk are the ones who created this problem in the first place.
5. I'll quote the meme saying that isn't it pathetic how Trump united Canada more in a month than Trudeau did in 10 years? We need a unifying national identity other than "We're not America". If anything is old and boring, it's that.
1. No, it's not whattaboutism it's a statement on the way we collectively discuss problems.
2. I don't think anybody knows much about our history, young or old. It's more like they know about general themes of what the history of the country is. Maybe that's a problem, but it deserves a serious discussion not a conspiracy theory of left-lib teachers conspiring to make us hate Canada and destroy it.
3. My guess is that the people designing the system are trying to do that. You probably don't agree.
4. Keep throwing conspiracy theories out there, Graham, that will help things. Keep making it about me, that will help things. If you don't have the discipline to discuss issues with your opponents without saying they hate Canada, you won't be taken seriously and maybe that's a good thing.
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On 6/30/2025 at 9:49 PM, I am Groot said:
It's got nothing to do with conspiracies. And what's tired is the Left labeling anything that contradicts them as 'conspiracy' while not bothering to read any of the cites presented to them.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry-newman-profs-call-out-their-association-for-left-wing-mayhem
https://quillette.com/2019/03/06/how-ed-schools-became-a-menace-to-higher-education/
They're like six or seven. They don't even know what a country is. So you're talk about how patriotic they are is horseshit, to quote you.
The conspiracy is right in the tag line "taught to hate Canada".
If you think there are problems with the system, or rogue teachers departing with the curriculum then those are serious issues to be dealt with seriously. The first step in the discussion is to state the problem, and allow that we will be taking this seriously with parties that have strong and opposing views.
To state that students are taught to "hate" Canada is deceptive, at best, and not the way to start a serious conversation on this. My kids have seen enough of this country to have an opinion on it, and they like it and appreciate it.
Nobody in the school system is "taught" to "hate" Canada.
It's a conspiracy theory, and I will continue to call it that until you take the discussion seriously.On 7/1/2025 at 10:36 PM, Moonlight Graham said:Happy Canada Day Michael.
And to you...
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4 hours ago, I am Groot said:
Children are being indoctrinated by teachers.
Same tired conspiracy horsesh1t.
We should be focusing on education cuts and tax breaks for the super wealthy, not this made up claptrap about 'hating Canada '.
We have never known a lot about our history nor has the USA. They repeat a handful of significant events over and over... That's all.
3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:Ask them their opinions on Sir John A.
I might wait until grade 3.
Of course, the goalposts change from hating Canada to knowing the name of the 2nd PM.
This made up controversy is so old, it's boring... Why can't Johnny read?
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19 minutes ago, I am Groot said:
And your kids are how old again? Do they even know what a country is?
Yeah. They love it, and they love singing the anthem. They're elementary school age.
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1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:
Ask them, or any Canadian, who our 2nd Prime Minister was. Ask them what the Statute of Westminster is. Then ask them what the residential schools were.
And if they can't answer, then they were taught to hate Canada...
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My kids are in the system and they're more patriotic than we ever were.
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Debunking the immigrant and crime myth
in Federal Politics in the United States
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Myths are the fuel for the ignorant machine that is American politics.
Who would seriously consider ending that?