Jerry J. Fortin

Didn't the government just buy a campus in Ottawa?

This is the root of the problem. How many government facilities are there? Are they all booked up 24/7, 365 days a year? If the answer is no, then the reality is that funds were spent that need not have been. Five grand an hour! That is a crime.

Outsourcing is not a new concept. Get used to it.

Nonsense! Lets focus on spending, period. Don't bother to tag this with "tax payer ripoff", don't paint it one way or the other. Just think about how many times your boss bought you lunch last year. Now if it was your paycheck buying lunch, would you approve or not? The real issue here is spending, nothing more and nothing less.

Good point. As usual CR is jumping to conclusions.

Well BC, you should be interested in the outcome of this since it applies to you folks down south as well as it does to us.

Well said, and all true I might add.

Laws are applied as written. Bad laws are challenged. That is the way things work on every nation on the planet. No different here.

Hahahahahaha.....interesting point! Yes the government diddled us all!

He wants what he wants. Why I have no idea, but he does anyway. The Crown owns the land, no citizen has property rights since the 1982 Constitution was enacted. Sad but true. The trillion dollar tab is a fantasy, pure and simple. Even so, it is time to put to bed the entire sad saga.

I think those are all valid points, nice job!

Smart guy I think, yet a little shy on practical application. A failed lawyer perhaps?

He doesn't get it. Likes to take things out of context a lot I see as well.

There we go, you think that all the land belongs to the First Nations. That is simply not the case, the crown owns all the land. The First Nations do have specific rights, on land their retain in their control. Yet no treaty gives them any rights off the reserves. There are lands in dispute, has been for years, and case by case they are getting into our own court systems and are slowly being resolved. Yet this process is slow, and its time to speed it up. First Nations have what they have, that is a legal fact. AS to what they claim, that has yet to be proven in court. We need to give them their freedom. Let them declare they are not Canadian and cut them off, give them their reserves and let them challenge the nation in a court of law. It is a crime against the rest of the citizens to continue as we do now. No other citizens get from the government what the First Nations folks do. Enough is enough, its time to solve the problem.

What I said was give them control of their own lands, the reserves, and cut the purse strings. Either they are Canadian or not, let them pick and choose. Give these folks the right to speak on their own behalf. Let them setup their own systems of governance with all that goes with it. You can already see the legal First Nations land holdings on any road map. Those lands represent what you claim is a "land base". Big deal. Care to dispute it? Then bring it on in a sanctioned venue and get it done. Its time to crap or get off the pot and podium at the same time.

Yes I do want this. Its time to put this argument to bed, the First Nations need closure on this even more than this nation does, and the time is right to do something about it. I don't think it would put the country in peril, just think of the precedent involved. No functional judicial system will allow a nation to be torn up about this or anything else. The reality is that there would be some beatings to take and some crow to eat on both sides of the fence, but in the end the peoples would be free. That is the only important thing to consider, its either that or the entire argument is without foundation. So the question is this, should justice be done or not? If yes, then why has it taken centuries to resolve, and does that mitigate either guilt or responsibility? If no, then the fabric of our society has always been compromised and below an acceptable grade value.

I would rather simply see this nation resolve the outstanding issues immediately by handing over all current governance to each individual band. Immediately withdraw all support given to these former groups of resident Canadians and see them in an international court for any question of further conflict resolution. The First Nations desire independence, and I agree with them. Let them have their day in court as well, and let that courts judgment be the final solution.

What do you want explained about them. Because if you want the truth ask them, I can only conjecture like you. I can tell you they are still at war, in their hearts and minds, after so many decades they are still "defending themselves". Only now it seems that both China and Russia have turned their backs on them, and many ask why they act so paranoid! With justification according to them. They want what they want, period. They are willing to either talk or fight for their lives. We need to ask ourselves how we want this to turn out. I say this because for the first time American military power finds itself with its back up to the wall in many respects. Nobody eve planned for multiple theater of operations while maintaining an enhanced presence within homeland defense. The Americans spent their way out of the cold war into a hot war on the scale they never imagined. Maintaining their prowness on the world stage has cost them dearly and will continue to do so until they are finally overcome, the end of the enlightened empire will have been witness by the rest of the world.

Wake up dude. That is how it is my friend. War is not merely permitted, it is promoted. Ever hear of the military industrial complex? This is the real root of very big business, government contracts paid for with tax dollars from your own pocket. Add the banker into the equation and you get a very interesting picture. A veritable plethora of financial parasites infesting every working humans personal pay check. A man made system that has made us into wage slaves, living and working to pay off mortgages and other forms of credit at interest. To say that we should should not have ventured down that path is more than a tad bit squirrelly. Here is where we now find ourselves whether you approve or disapprove of the realities of history. We got here down that path, it is a done thing. Perhaps we should choose a different path for the future, but keep in mind that to change the order of things will bring harm in some form some where to some one. It doesn't matter how you slice that cake up, its still cake.

The Chinese have been involved for more than five decades! That is a mere blink of time to them. The nations of Korean fall well within the borders of Chinese influence.

Thanks for all the support ROC !

I voted libertarian. It is the only logical choice to make.

Are not all these calculations just a tad screwy? I mean really, comparing a nations GDP to its debt translates into a measure of what? All these questions point to a money supply issue, or monetary system issue in a greater sense. Now when you tie the question to the dollar, is not speculation the name of the game in a currency market? So how the hell is all the calculations relevant to the value of a nations dollar, with them being subject to mere speculation? The Canadian economy is going down the tubes, whether folks believe it or not. The minute we lose jobs in the manufacturing sector you know what is happening with the local economies. Folks lose their jobs and business start losing the money those folks were spending in the free market and sooner or later the drop in consumer spending starts a ripple effect into a downward spiral. That is where we are now, in a spiral downward. All the politicians will tell you things are getting better, but how many new manufacturing plants are being built? How many good paying jobs are being created, and how many crap wage jobs are created? Canada needs to realize that things have changed in the real world. America is no longer the big powerhouse it used to be, and we are geared full tilt toward that economy. What can we realistically expect with so much of our trade depends on one single market? WE have been very foolish putting all our eggs in that one basket. Now we begin to see where we are going, and now we know what to expect, so now we have to change. We have to adapt to the new world we find ourselves in. Its all good though, because change is in fact a good thing. Things are always better we you change things around. So lets change not merely the game we play but why not instead change the rules we play by? Lets have rules that work for us, not against us.

Isn't that a sad commentary on Canadian governments!

Think again. Go back and do some research, it was the PC and the NDP who managed to have their way over the issue. There were many changes from the decision to repatriate until the time of its passage.