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And a Cummins motor is made in Brazil, runs like a top I might add.

I'm saying they can cut themselves off, if they are preaching about taking advantage of the poor, they can put their money where their mouth is Already taken care of overproducing, ethanol and people growing hay have done the trick, especially ethanol. The U.S. government still is putting hundreds of billions of ethanol/farm subsidies. If too much was going into the gas tanks, wouldn't they can the program and blow up the plants? I thought Williams had compromised as well, there wasn't much reporting on it anyway. Fact of the matter is Alberta is still much more advanced than Newfoundland as far as the oil biz goes. Look at Alberta vs. Saskatchewan, business friendly vs. non-business friendly (prior to this year) Alberta is leaps and bounds ahead of Saskatchewan. Considering that agriculture/agribusiness is the third largest employer in the country and that ag is a vital component of the Manitoba economy, I'd say yes. Land values increase which net higher prop. tax, more jobs in the ethanol plants. Farmers spending money on more and more things than not spending as was the case. The Russians able to keep Buhler industries going in Manitoba due to increased demand. Some Farms able to afford to pay their workers and increase their wage. People who invest in agribusiness companies getting higher stock values because the companies are doing better. In a nutshell, much the same as Alberta, who subsidized the production of oil and all the people who were involved did very well on it, which resulted in all of alberta doing well.

So Mexicans aren't allowed to have jobs and make a living? I'd drive the Mexican made GMC truck, chances are they'd be so happy getting the job they would appreciate it a lot more and would work especially hard to make better products so they aren't back in the poor house. 40 pesos an hour is better than 0 pesos an hour

Wouldn't throwing the addicts in the crazy house for a year or two also protect their life and security???

Good thing, the last thing we need is Criminals on team Blue. Swap Fortier and Bernier next election, Bernier needs to go for the good of the party. The Libs have a solid case here, Touche.

It could happen in North America, there has been machinery parades in Ottawa. I pay taxes, I and others like me have a right to suggest where tax dollars go. I'm not saying privatize everything, I was merely pointing out that if doctors and professors want to put the kibosh on a booming prairie economy for the sake of the poor, they can put their money where their mouth is. Overproducing food for people and not being paid for it is an even stupider policy. Alright, go down to the states and shut down all the ethanol plants and see how much gas rises. Yes the Venezuelan policy of not supporting their private industries is a crock and look at the mess their country is in. Newfoundland has just started to come around, as much as I like the NL premier, when he was trying to gouge the oil companies, they backed away from the table. The Albertans have it right, they support their industries and the average albertan is better off than the average manitoban.

The strike has relevance in showing what happens when urban people go too far in policy which hurts their ag sector. There are energy choices in Manitoba, there's hydro, coal, don't want to pay high oil prices, take out the oil furnace. Or you can live like some individuals on documentaries when they don't use any energy. It's still a choice. On the other hand, Manitobans are forced to use Hydro from the provincial gov't. The non-resident comment doesn't make sense. If you want, go buy a quarter section and never worry about food costs again. There's lots of cheap land in the world the non-residents can go buy some. Non-residents can't buy land because of the failed Soviet experiment during their regime with massive underproductive farms. By having that law in place, the gov't is making sure production is up. On the other hand, your view of agriculture supports that non-residents buy out local producers, I hope you enjoy cartel style pricing with that policy. My priority is to make money, not give my food away to middle eastern countries. No, I'll bring up the doctor/professor comment with you, apparently you like to pick and choose who gets ahead on taxpayers dollars and hurts the poor and who doesn't. I would support the subsidy on garbage, it provides jobs, boosts the economy, and gets cheaper fuel. science Looks like ethanol is good for everyone and the environment. 20-30% of fuel turned to ethanol, imagine what the price of fuel would be if it was only fossil fuels... Canadians also realize that having profitable industries that provide jobs and dollars is a good thing, they also realize that anything that helps cool off oil prices and helps our economy more is a good thing. Albertan's are rich because of good government policy, not because of demand. Demand is high, why isn't the average venezuelan as rich as the average albertan?

CNN <---Argentina Strike Do you not get the logic behind saving 1 million barrells a day does to the price of oil/gas? I would more than love to provide the link, but I can't rip out a newspaper page and paste it on the computer screen. This is the best link I could find at IEA iea High handed? I am not forcing you to buy gas or food at all, if the price concerns you so much buy hydroponics or rip up your lawn and grow your own food and not pay farmers at all. Or you can buy a bicycle and bike to work, if you want that luxury of driving to work or going to the supermarket, pay for it. How about Doctors and Professors go through a similar policy that farmers did 2 yrs. ago and work for 10 bucks an hour when demand is high? My property taxes are bankrolling a tuition freeze, and those same professors are the champions of poor people, how about they get off the dole and get paid minimum wage so that they aren't forcing poor students into debt? Same goes for doctors, they can work for minimum wage and it's easier on everyone's taxes. How about all government workers work for minimum wage and no benefits so it's easier on everyone's taxes? Alberta is one of the richest region's in the world due to their policy. Now Canadian farmers have a similar policy and rural Canada will be prosperous as well. Why would I be opposed to garbage as biodiesel? With oil at 130 bucks a barell, anything to help offset costs is appreciated. The only thing high handed is wanting a food supply and not paying for it, which is what your advocating. The Canadian gov't has realized foreign subsidies will not end and has taken action to improve our ag industry and economy as efficiently as possible and mission accomplished. It is not my responsibility to provide you with food when you will not pay for it. People didn't want to pay for a cheap food policy subsidy in Canada in the first place, then they don't have the right to complain when crop prices rice. Or would you like the things were like it was before with Farmers going out of business and land being turned into pasture to the point where we would have to import food (for a price)? And from this tone, you are a proud supporter of Bill 17 as well.

Mr. Dion, As Canada is a diverse country, regionally and ethnically; how would you govern a country where interests of some groups directly conflict the interests of other groups? For example what might be good for somebody in Quebec might not do for someone out in Alberta. Also how would you address the growing urban and rural divide that is happening in Canada, considering a lot of rural areas did not vote Liberal in the last election?

1 million barrels of oil a day is a million barrels of reduced carbon in the ground. It's saving taxpayers money by having cheaper (a little) energy prices. That one million barrels a day would take into account the lesser mileage. Nobody is forcing you to drive or buy groceries. Burning gasoline and ethanol is our most profitable industries in Canada nowadays. I'm happy with the private costs when it gets me immediate care instead of waiting in line. If doctors are so concerned about the poor, charge 10 bucks an hour so health care is cheaper tax wise and private wise. Ditto to the professors, thousands of students swimming in debt so they can live high on the hog. Why should they get to take advantage of poor people when farmers can't? Doctors and professors get to laugh all the way to the bank because we are forced to pay for them. It works both ways. Lets not get started with first nations. Ethanol is helping out in a large way. The economy is getting better and there is more opportunity in western Canada. Is there only opportunity allowed in Winnipeg?? Argentina is one of the biggest ag exporters in the world, if they are sitting on their ass and not putting a crop in, it helps raise prices. Refer to Manitoba cooperator. Canadians get hosed on their taxes as far as everything goes. As taxpayers who contribute a lot to the government coffers, don't we get a right to say where tax dollars go or are they only suppossed to go to urban areas? My Income tax, property tax, and the huge sales taxes on inputs aren't worth anything??? Governments helping get industries started is the smartest use of tax dollars, it has made Alberta and Saskatchewan rich. You view supporting ethanol as welfare, I view it as an investment.

According to the IEA 1 million barrells a day saved. The decreased mileage is debatable at best. The Americans won't drop their subsidies and the European's won't. We need supports until they get a deal at the WTO. Article in the Cooperator, Asian countries are looking to drop their oilseed tariffs due to demand. Some tariffs are going. Argentina is a major exporter of soybeans, the economist writer of the Cooperator says that with them on strike, it is supporting prices especially in oilseeds. Taking an area the size of argentina out of production has an impact on prices. A million barrells saved a day shows it is working, oil field workers get the royal treatment, and the government won't touch them. A profitable industry is good for the country. Canadians are also squeezed by high taxes and high clinic rates for healthcare, should I be gouged at the tax table so doctors can live high on the hog? Same goes for University proffessors, I am gouged for a tuition freeze, but they make a fortune and gouge students with tuition costs. There are lots of things that Canadians don't want to pay tax on. You seem to think that only doctors and professors should live high on the hog. Watching doctors and professors make a killing off of poor people doesn't make me happy either. It's quite simple, in order to have a cheap food supply, it has to be subsidized in order to produce food at lower than production. Urban Canadians seem to want to be thieves, so won't pay the subsidies and let the Europeans pay it, but scream bloody murder when the price rises and they still aren't paying subsidies. I can assure you lots of European's aren't poor and Quebec farmers aren't either and they have prov. gov't support like crazy. It's not just farmers getting richer, agribusiness according to the U of S is the third largest employer in Canada, that is a lot of people getting more pay because grain is worth more. The subsidy urban canadians are paying for is to get a new industry in Canada up and running and with the trend in energy prices, it is a wise investment and will pay off huge dividends. I'll pose this question, why do you want cheap food, but don't want to pay the subsidy in order to get it? Why do you want to rip off Canadian farmers when others are subsidized for a failed cheap food policy? Why do you want to pick and choose which people get ahead and which people don't?

It isn't welfare, but it benefits us indirectly. 1 million barrels a day saved. That's according to the IEA. If you want to take that out of production, I hope you are willing to pay the huge spike in gas at the pumps associated with it, and the still more expensive groceries at the store due to high transport costs. We aren't on the dole as much as the European countries, if you want cheap food, put us on the dole at their level and "secure the food supply" Grain sold for 2.50 a bushell when it costs more to produce it is a waste. Having high prices also gives incentive to remove subsidies in Europe and remove tariffs on imported food. Farmers are also not on the dole, they contribute far more in tax than the average Canadian. If we didn't pay tax, I'd accept that point. In Canada we now have a system that is helping us with energy, keeping our food supply sustainable, and making an industry extremely profitable and helping the economy. Taking that away would be like forcing doctors and university professors to work for 10 dollars an hour. Would you give up a 6 figure job to work for 10 dollars an hour because some ivory tower philosopher says that you are gouging people? Playing the urban rural game makes everyone lose, in Argentina their farmers are on strike, they lose because they aren't making money, and the urban people there lose because they have to pay even higher prices because they have to import food when they could easily grow their own. With the labour shortage in Canada, playing that game would be a national disaster. The debate shouldn't be growing food vs. fuel, it should be what do consumers value more energy or food? We have been told through the 90s by ivory tower elites that farming is a business and risky, etc. Now that business is good, we have the same ivory tower elites telling us that we now have to feed the people. Talk about having cake and eating it too. Western Canada is now living in a very good economic situation, taking that away will bring about some big trouble.

For one that is saying the sky is falling with the manufacturing sector and our economy is about to go in the toilet, it makes little sense to hold back an industry that won't be affected by the problems in the states especially with oil approaching 200 dollars a barrell. According to the IEA biofuels save 1 million barrels per day of oil in the U.S. and E.U. That would appear to be a lot of Carbon. Read that point in the Manitoba Cooperator. There has been strong backlash by Argentinian farmers who are being ripped off by their government with views like yours that they have to produce cheap food and not be paid for it, they went on strike and soybeans are priced even higher. The only voices on the right I hear in opposition are oil companies and evangelicals. Western Canada is poised to do very well economically with the energy sector, we should embrace that especially when manufacturing is in serious trouble. If western Canadian farmers aren't suppossed to do well with the prices being supported by ethanol production then doctors in private clinics should be working at 10 bucks an hour and University profesors should be working for 10 bucks an hour, those guys are screwing over poor people just as hard as high food prices. High food prices and lower supply will give incentive to those in poorer countries to start growing their own food and food for export. I'd rather not put poor people out of business, the cheap food policy puts poor people out of business. If it is my responsibility to provide people with cheap food, then I expect to receive a nice fat subsidy just like the Europeans get to help pay for my costs. People have been starving for ever, long before biofuels came into being. With this new strategy, Canadian ag producers have a new market for their products which will help ensure better prices and a stronger economy. Food prices will still be affordable in Canada, the government will see to that.

Wheat straw paper wouldn't be worth much, wood products including paper, are in the toilet now for price wise, nobody really uses paper as much these days as in the 70's. It's cheaper to get cellulose from wood, which is why we have a lumber industry. LP has briefly shut their plant down for a while. I'd get more money if it was put to cellulosic ethanol. Albertan's also know that if they don't rock the boat, they won't lose their wealth. That's why they subsidize and keep rates low, they are also one of the richest areas in the world, why mess with a good thing. Saskatchewan has finally caught on to this approach, and so has the Tory gov't with the ethanol strategy. When agriculture and agribusiness is one of the largest employers in the country, it makes sense to have high commodity prices in order to grow and prosper. When oil is vastly approaching 200 dollars a barrell, it's going to have to be both cellulosic and starch for ethanol. In the cooperator it says that the American ethanol program can't shut down due to the vast amounts of fuel being produced keeping gas prices down and billions more are being funnelled in to get it going more so. If you think farmers have recently started cultivating new land, you need to step outside the city, that's been going on for years because it is good economic practice to do so. The new biofuel industry, hydroelectricity, and petroleum are how Manitoba is going to get out of being a have not province. Canada now has more oil for export, we aren't giving away our crops to countries around the world who don't want to pay for them, and our agriculture sector is where it should be. When the economy of Canada is relying so heavily on commodities, it makes sense for prices to be high, it improves our economy. With so many Canadians doing well now, the very little that the price of food rises is a useless argument. As it has been proven time and again the high price of food has to do with transport and processing. The biofuel industry has saved the ag sector and is the best thing to happen since they used to give 1/4 sections away. What you are wanting grain farmers to do is like telling a doctor he has to give up his salary to work for 10 bucks an hour because people are complaining about the high cost of healthcare in their taxes and in their visits to the private clinic, but in order to offset that, they can sell some crutches or bandages on the side.

Mario De Silva and Scott Brison are two MPs. Why didn't the Liberals lobby to GM to bring over the EV-1, they are the party of the environment. If I own marginal land and want to use it to make more money, that is my right and privelege. I won't touch it if the price is right. Taking out ethanol will drop the prices and put us back into debt so we can "enjoy" the Liberal feel good chump change. Apparently you believe that rural canada doesn't deserve to be prosperous. Ethanol is making rural Canada prosperous. More than farmers benefit from ethanol. The price of grain has also been slashed in half since february. No the liberals didn't have a strategy when in office, they funded a couple of plants. When the tories came in ethanol got a major boost with the 5% strategy. The Liberals 10% strategy can be smoke and mirrors for all I know. The idea that farmers should give away their crops to urban dwellers and not get compensated for it is socialist. Alberta used this strategy with the oil industry and Alberta is now one of the richest regions on the planet. If your fine with Manitoba being a have not province, go for it. Ethanol is a way to provide jobs in Manitoba, and boost the economy. Grain Farmers are much better off under tory rule. Urban Canadian's life is still fairly good. The tories have a much better chance than the Libs. So the economy of Manitoba is only allowed to improve if only Winnipeg benefits???

Farmers have been burned by having Liberals sit in 13 years of office and handing out 500 dollar feel good checks. How do we get burned, even with bio waste, fossil fuels won't be replaced so it won't matter. Then there is China and India eating and making biofuels. The new price floor of wheat is around 6 bucks. Liberals didn't approve electric cars either. I have not seen one part in PM PM's tenure and Chretiens tenure where there was targets for Biofuels, it was only an election promise. Harper has actually put these into place and it is the opposition holding it up. Funding a couple plants is not a strategy. Pick up a Western Producer, there is more than one MP. Marginal land has been broken up for years to give away grain. How does this work, you don't want marginal land broken up to produce more grain, by that logic there shouldn't be a food crisis then. If there was a serious food crisis, growing Canola would be outlawed and there would be more incentive to break up marginal land. According to the University of Saskatchewan, Agriculture and Agribusiness is a 95 billion dollar a year industry and the third largest employer in Canada, it makes perfect sense to have the farmers making money so that the spin off industries are even more profitable and helps the economy. The ethanol industry boosts this large sector of the economy and makes it more valuable. This ethanol debate is much more than the environment, it is about jobs and strengthening the economy. Holding back a huge industry such as this is flat out ivory tower arrogance. Why should urban dwellers and government employees only be allowed to make a living? Your idea of agriculture in Canada is outdated and completely untenable, and it was proven time and again during the 90's and first half of this decade. On another note, this debate shows the urban and rural divide in this country. I seriously believe that whoever can bridge this gap will win the majority government, and if this is the attitude of Liberal supporters in Canada, they will never get that majority.

What is the big deal with GMO's, their only modification is that they produce more product, better product, and can be grown more efficiently. Having a crop roundup ready means it gets sprayed with less chemicals than non-roundup ready crops. Then there is those kids in Asia where they genetically modified rice to include nutrients so that people won't go blind over there. If GMO's were as bad as people say they are and do all these horrible things, why would a company risk tanking their share price and going pretty much bankrupt? It is in the company's best interest to keep to not poison their customers which would in turn ruin their company. This anti-GMO greenpeace malarkey is proposterous, and those kids who aren't blind in South Asia right now are proof of it.

Hell it's a better support system than the one when PM PM and Chretien were in power. Saying the Canadian food supply is in trouble is completely proposterous, which is why it is only at a piddly 5%. It's pretty high handed that those in urban areas are trying to take away a very profitable market for us which has improved returns by 200-300 dollars an acre. We get that attitude from the attitude that we are supposed to produce food at below the cost of consumption and not get paid for it. But are suppossed to be happy when we get our 500 dollar liberal feel good cheques, how does 500 dollars make a difference when my fertilizer bill is 160 K and fuel is 40K??? By paying taxes you are forced to fund the big oil companies in Alberta, and the fact that there are only gasoline fuel stations, you are forced to buy gasoline if you want to drive a vehicle around. Why aren't there electric cars around urban Canada??? The Liberals are split on this issue. The Tories have formally implemented it when in office. The Liberals got as far as making it an election promise which holds as much water as the GST promise. Fertilization, and opening new fields have been around long before ethanol, I busted up a 10 acre marsh which makes me more money and I save on fuel from dealing with the damn thing. I however will agree with you on the fact that cellulosic ethanol technology needs to increase. With the high amount of cellulose floating around Canada, there is the potential to drive down fuel prices and gives a market for waste that ends up being burned, used for bedding, or just rots.

I find it funny that those who advocate a cheap food policy, which involves producing grain below the cost of production, won't pony up the cash for a support system in order for that type of a policy to work. Rural Manitoba is benefitting largely because of this, small businesses in towns are better off, and there is more tax dollars in the provincial coffers due to higher land values. It's about as socialist as the Alberta gov't subsidizing oil companies, but not as socialist as the Liberal government's abysmal ag policy of producing grain at less than production to subsidize an urban dweller's lifestyle. Remember that farmers are taxpayers too, and there are some things we don't approve of tax dollars going to as well. Nobody is forced to buy ethanol, you can buy a bike or walk around. Grain selling for a little over two dollars a bushell in the early part of the decade is waste. With ethanol the reserves are getting prolonged and emissions are reduced, the ag industry is profitable again, and food in Canada is still not priced out of this world. It is also a much cheaper and much more efficient support system than what used to be in place, plus it creates jobs and allows us to export more oil.

Like I said if people are complaining about high prices, grow your own and cash in on the good times. Harper kept his biggies, but he will break more. As far as the law question, the same logic as the gun control bill. If Canadians were subsidised, prices wouldn't matter wouldn't it, the Europeans obviously proved that. I know of some people that have that heater, it looks like a wood stove. They had them advertised in a ag catalog a couple years ago. Then it was a very cheap way to heat the home. How is it not good for the economy, in a commodity economy like Canada's a person wants their goods to be worth more when they get sold. When we export to say Syria or Iran, if they pay more for our goods, we get richer. How is ethanol not good for John Deere, their factory is sold out. Shares in ag business companies are sky high. If the world is at such a panic right now, why is Canola and Flax being grown, poor people can't afford those crops. If the sky is falling and the world is in a panic, shouldn't the entire country be wheat, corn, potatoes, and rice? Lets not forget the pets of some people who are trying to gut ethanol, they eat better than a third world person ever will. Food inflation is not causing deaths, it is third world farmers being forced out of business by dumping from subsidised countries. It is much better to burn our overproduction and let poorer people cash in on higher prices than force them out of business and have them wait on inconsistent food dumps. There are some countries right now in South Asia that are making money off the biofuel boom such as Malaysia, Singapore, and Thailand, should they not be allowed to make money because soom elitists from the city feel it is their God given right to cheap food? Canada makes a great portion of it's money in primary industries these days. It is smart government policy to encourage growth in these industries any way possible. Manufacturing is dying partly because of Canadian workers pricing themselves out of a job. I don't see what the problem about having a prosperous rural economy is so troubling to city dwellers. The Albertans have done well with how the oil industry has been handled, and now rural Canada is cashing in on how the grain industry is being handled.

Harper kept more promises than the liberals. Subsidies in the U.S. and Europe made prices go down of course, the people there want cheap food and also have the common decency and logic to pay for it, unlike here in the 90's. I didn't say the grain was inedible, I said it was still waste, when the price is low enough that people are starting to burn it in their homes for cheap heat, I would call that waste. When ethanol helps out the environment and the economy, plus with the convenience of not growing or butchering food. I'd say pay up. Or we can take the Saudi attitude and rely completely on imports. The people of Argentina are also going to be gouged on imports this year when they can grow their own products, they are going to find how expensive imports are. You keep avoiding the fact that particular law is very easy to get around. I was using JRI as an example, they CAN buy tens of thousands of acres of land, but don't want to for the reasons you pointed out, the same as other big operations. The figure for getting the biofuel sector is around 2 billion and change per year, the cost for "bailing out" grain producers in the early part of this decade was over 4 billion dollars a year. One plan has signifcantly improved the economy and helps the environment, one plan poaches tax dollars and didn't do a thing to help the economy. Then there is the Walmart analogy, why should Canada be the worlds Walmart of food production by putting third world farmers out of business.

Oil industry was an example. There was the forestry industry, the fishing industry, agriculture to some extent. Small business and trades are another example. I'd say my examples are more relevant in the last ten years or so. Universities are at record enrollment and according to your figures later on (2000-2005) it is showing going to University could in fact be a fools errand. In 1980 it might not have been so because enrollment was lower. What's worse is in another generation we could have people with phd's making only 32K adjusted for inflation

And on the CBC, MP McGuinty was perfectly clear about upping the cellulosic part. I think both is alright. The CBC did paint the picture that the Liberals were flip flopping on the issue and showed minister Baird defending the current plan. The Liberals also said they would eliminate the GST, I am fairly skeptical of what politicians say. You were stating that the oil companies hate ethanol, but Husky and Shell seem to support it. Of course grain and corn are waste. Prices in the 90's up to 05 clearly dictate that. If it is getting produced and is not worth anything it is waste. By using the leftovers as biofuel, the price is boosted and the economy improves. The agricultural economics professor at the U of M clearly states that Canadian famers have no responsibility whatsoever to provide cheap food to the world. What is absurd is that with the cheap food policy I have to subsidize a person's lifestyle when I can get paid more by filling an SUV tank. If people in the cities want cheap food, it should be subsidized like in the U.S. and Europe in order to pay for it, the old Canadian way was having your cake and eating it too. I have bills to pay. Manitobans are much better off with high grain prices than low grain prices. I find it peculiar when people complain about the loss of jobs in the manufacturing sector when there are lots of job opportunities now in the agricultural and agribusiness and biofuel/biotech sector, high grain prices created these opportunities and it is in the best interests of our economy to keep it that way. It's exactly the same with oil prices, the higher oil goes, the richer our country gets. The Richardsons can buy tens of thousands of acres in Manitoba, if you believe JRI has saintly business ethics just talk to any former employee who jumped ship to Monsanto. There is an owner of a soil services company in Sask. who has tens of thousands of acres acquired through shady acquisitions (don't pay bill, land is used as collateral). Big inefficient corporate style farms can happen, it doesn't because it doesn't necessarily pay.

Low priority for the tories, their handbook says in black and white they wanted 5%, plus they had a video on their website during their 06 political campaign. Husky is an oil company, why do they have ethanol plants? I have no problem with cellulosic ethanol, I'd like to get paid for my straw and be rid of those weedy poplar trees. CBC said that McGuinty was pushing hard for cellulosic. Shell Canada is investing heavily into cellulosic ethanol as well. Richardson can still buy land can he not? If he sets up land, Pioneer grain can corner primary ag production and you would have what would resemble a corporate farm, he hasn't done that due to economic reasons. It's doing alright as an environmental goal if you accept that farmers have been using modern machinery for the last 20 years.

Are student loan payments factored into that? There are a lot of Canadians in debt with student loans. If they aren't factored in, those students should go to the Univerities and demand a refund (figuratively speaking) because all that time in school to be making less is a lot of wasted time, when people can go out to the oilfields and be more well off than the average university educated person will ever be.