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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misconduct_in_public_office

I find it funny conservatives are saying robocall is a smear until there is evidence to the contrary while toews sleeping with a woman he later appointed judge isn't called a smear. I'm pretty sure receiveing sexual favours to give public office is illegal and a criminal offence, and the guy is public safety minister...

#1 remove all "support" or legal recognition of political parties. If people want to party they can do it unofficially like the old days #2. Make all voting public with people registering their vote openly. #3. require people to vote or say "none" but require everyone to vote who is a citizen. #4. only let the legislators elected suggest laws, make sure every"change" to law is put to referendum.

I'm fit but it'd take months of training to get in that sort of form.

You can't undo sending someone to jail.

I think my system was tagged just for clicking the link to this thread Derek. BTW is the 7 days up yet? Is that today or tommorrow or Sunday? What could be worse than an affair with someone you got a job... and an illegitimate child? Vic shouldn't back down for one reason and one reason only... the truth. Yeah, V EV (elizibeth/vic) should not back down, we need to know what anonymous knows. It has got to be good, like he is really Russian. or his parents are Chinese. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d8_1236690670

Yeah and the wrong guy can go to jail for life too.I`d rather be killed than innocent in jail. Jail breeds hate and laten rage and contempt in the innocent in regard to the system and government that acts unjustly, it is a breach that only widens with time. Time heals nothing. it makes good loving people cold people, it dehumanizes. I'd rather a dead man than a man made into a monster by injustice of the system. I'd rather a dead monster, let god heal the wicked, let man rid the beast from the earth. It would only lead to starvation or riot regardless. Society shouldn't force that on good people.The game should just be called than a life of deprivation. You just make people killers in jail either they go in as them or they come out as them. Either that or jail has accomplished nothing but waste peoples time. Kill all criminals but make laws just so that people of good moral character are not deemed criminal for their acts. There are too many people in the world regardless thining things out will only do good. Jail is non productive and a drain on public resources. They try to control, but all it accomplishes is contempt. A man that fears is not a free man, a society that makes men fear is not a free society, it is one that oppresses. that is not good.

Here is a project for you. Go out into your world and live as a real generation xy or z Canadian try ordering or doin everything in metric, and see the response you get from your fellow Brethern. When you are driving look at the KM instead of the miles convert the mile signs to KM (no don't drive slower do the conversion of 3mi to 5km. Order a 0.113398093 kiloer instead of the quarter pounder. Buy 4 litres instead of a gallon. (you`ll need it things are further appart up here) Live the life of a true canadian, you will never go back. If you keep it up you too can not crash satallites and the urge to invade foreign nations will subside. Think of the money savings America could attain with the metric system.

For rednecks they have awfully good teeth. Also chapleau is a frenchie area. although only it seems 1/3rd of the population speaks french as their first language.

The guy on the right looks like a state department employee in a blackwater security photo on the blackwater wiki page. Money didn't exist in the time of the fur trade. Money isn't needed to survive, it just makes life easier for those who arn't self sustaining. It is an idea that goes back in western civilization that Canadians most certainly area capable of, Canada and the First Nations of Canada have been self sustaining for eons. αὐτάρκεια is somethin that we can all acheive, and our nation is prosperous. For all who need money must first insure that money is not needed for their survival. It is urban life that gets most but we produce more than we consume, that means we are an autocratic state. To be free of slavery one must provide for oneself,otherwise they are wage slaves. freedom comes with self provision.. nature will provide life or releif from lack.

It only shrinks because productivity declines. The economy is a farse used for profit mongering rather than quality of life measures. Economies should be GOAL centred NOT floating point how much money joe blow has measures. businesses set the cost of doing business. people set the value of engaging that business. It is about lifestyle and habits and resources becoming morecomplex itis not how much money people have but their quality of life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life Quality of life is the real value not a piece of paper. Business health is totally irrelevant, it is productivity tied into quality of life that matters.

that a good question. It really depends on what can be done with them,and what they are inclined to do with them. From the news stories, some are put in jail, some are assasinated, some have their financial assets blocked, some have their testicles attached to a car battery , some live, some are put into power in a bid to create failed states. Not legally under normal circumstances. If they are ordered to, but they might like to avoid doing that without getting permission from the US first. US law doesn't matter, for domestic practices in Canada, aside from courtesy. No there definitely are laws that carry the death penalty, and long prison terms for information disclosure without proper consent, these are akin to Official Secrets Acts. I won't try.

It was probably americans who caught it, they take everything up here. It is like some giant nature reserve for Americans up here. and you know what mericuns do wit nature. But its no seal right. Guess only the wealthy americans can afford to club seal.

Normal would mean during normalcy "peace", where no laws exist allow foreign states to monitor Canadians, and no court orders "orders" exist. Peace officers may order assistance from non peace officers and those other parties whether citizens or non citizens are required to render assistance by law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act US law doesn't matter in Canada so it is a redundant point. Executive orders are a type of law in the US https://www.eff.org/nsa/faq In Canada there are things called order in council etc.. The President, invoking a theory of limitless executive power to disregard the mandates of Congress, has reauthorized this warrantless surveillance more than thirty times, including after the Department of Justice found the program to violate criminal laws, and has indicated that he intends to continue doing so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court Ashcroft was a key supporter of passage of the USA PATRIOT Act. One of the provisions in that act was the controversial Section 215, which allows the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to make an application for an order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court requiring production of "any tangible thing" for an investigation. n. The Court also noted (but made no judgment regarding) "the President’s inherent constitutional authority to conduct warrantless foreign intelligence surveillance" which relates to part of the government justification in the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy. These issues demonstrate how Heads of state tend to have a political immunity due to being supreme commanders of the executive - although there are recourses, they do not occur often in history, perhaps only twice that we know of in US history.

The Metric Act of 1866 was originally introduced as H.R. 596 in the 39th Congress. The House passed it on 17 May 1866; the Senate passed it on 27 July 1866; and it was presented to the President and signed the next day. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-5116 http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/MAR12/Event/168864 http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/laws/Pub.L.110-69-part.pdf http://www.usinnovation.org/files/AmericaCOMPETES_EnactedProgramsSummary_011909%20Sheet1.pdf 2010 2011 2012 http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41819.pdf US officialized metrics like 100 years before Canada!

No it IS legal for the Canadian Forces to Monitor Canadians in Canada. It is not legal for other countries to monitor Canadians under normal circumstances, and this extends to monitoring their domestic communications. Canadian law does not extend to other countries -- this for example was used by GW Bush by contracting dutch companies and routing US domestic communication to the netherlands to eavesdrop on their communications there because "it wasn't legal, so said to conduct it domestically, but monitoring of foreign communications is lawful for the US government - even if it violates foreign countries laws. Canada has the privacy protection laws which would make that sort of action in Canada illegal due to consumer protection laws. However the Canadian executive is ultravires domestic law and can monitor within Canada lawfully (however there may be jurisidictional issues if consent is not obtained within a foreign country from that authority, except in instances of occupation, or acts of war) The same is true of the for the US government - in terms of facing criminal charges for activities that would otherwise be lawful and not subject to charges if conducted from the US. Jurisdiction is bifacetted that it can include more than one jurisidiction. Even if one jurisidiction exhonerates or makes lawful an act, any jurisidiction which a crime occurs in can press charges for a violation of their law or request the detainment and extradition should treaty exist to facilitate the charges. So a US agent carrying out activities from the US would not be subject to charges in the US but could be subject to detention and extradition for violation of the laws of another country, even if US law specifically exhonerates them for that crime. The US would be bound if party to extradition treaty to extradite the US agent to be tried in the foreign country at law. To not do so would be a breach of treaty which is a diplomatic infraction

THE CRIMINAL CODE IS APPLICABLE IN CANADA. It is espionage and criminal violations. American law does not extend to Canada for Canadian purposes, except potentially aboard ships and at embassies - and this is quasi jurisdictional. There are laws in the US too, but I'm not going to voice my opinion on US law and its legality. More or less the USA legally and openly has laws which violate other states laws by default when acted on. However there are sometimes jurisidictional issues. Example this website is hosted in the US, so it is not in Canadian Jurisidiction. BUT messages from Canadians or to Canadians who are in Canada or in rare instance to a Canadian Citizen abroad from the website enter in to Canadian Jurisdiction. The NSA could probably do whatever it wanted with this website, but it would not extend to a capacity to do whatever it wanted with my computer at law which is not in the US and not under US jurisidiction. Part of the issue is that executive commands tend to be ultravires because they are legislated to upkeep the law and often have extrodinary capabilities which would otherwise be illegal. There are however acts which establish executive organs. The illegality of such act may be due to discharge of lawful duties which is a defence against conviction. The lawful defence of executive functions by a foreign state, "could be a defence" such as diplomatic officials or combatants - however there are laws which mitigate those defences, such as expulsion (in diplomatic immunity) and POW status for combatants who arecaputured.. however after hostilities or during, combatants who were carrying out lawfulorders may be subject to war crimes trialsor release from POW holdings because their crime was lawful by the rules of war. as military law (martial law) is ultravires civil law.

I am stating that the NSA does not have lawful authority in Canada to maliciously hack computer systems, or to obtain information from Computer systems in Canada without a warrant (or court order from a Canadian Judge etc..) other than systems they own in Canada in accordance with Canadian Privacy laws. They require permission to do any sort of operation in Canada and this must conform with the law, otherwise it is illegal. Offences against the confidentiality, integrity and availability of computer data and systems; Computer-related offences;

I think you need to examine how ECHELON works, it does not involve hacking computer systems to retrieve data. Gathering latent data and maliciously attacking a system to obtain data are two different things. A warrent generally implies invasion not acquiring through cachement within ones own property. Information however in government systems are subject to the privacy act. The example I replied to was a warrentless search of someone elses property. That is not how ECHELON works. Systems like Carnivore - if deployed outside US GOVT property or within Canadian jurisdiction on Non US government property would constitute illegal actions in Canada. The main difference here is jurisidiction allowance, and the difference between compramising a system within personal property such as ones home, or within their possessions, and information which is not in their possession, such as in govertnment property, or property falling under acts, like the phonelines when they were owned by the government, and leased to companies. Most internet for instance has end user contracts on information disimination, allowing for dissimination in accordance with law. 1.5 Government of Canada COMSEC Authority 1.5.1 CSEC Authority CSE is the national lead agency for COMSEC and the GC authority responsible for the following aspects of ITS: consulting with Treasury Board Secretariat (TBS) and the RCMP, to develop the operational standard on information technology security for the approval of Treasury Board and advising on its application; developing, approving, and issuing particular technical documents on information technology security, including for COMSEC, and advising on their application; providing departments with endorsed or approved cryptography and key management processes for the protection of classified information, as well as for the protection of protected information (this activity also covers the provision of endorsed or approved digital signatures to ensure the authorization and authenticity of financial transactions); establishing procedures for the systematic review of cryptographic information and assets for declassification or downgrading, as required; negotiating international agreements on COMSEC programs and approving the release of classified or controlled COMSEC assets to government and non-government entities; providing advice and direction on the planning, acquisition, installation and procedures for using COMSEC systems and trusted products and systems; reporting to the Secretary of the Treasury Board on the state of COMSEC in the government, when requested; providing advice on threat and risk assessments and on system certification and accreditation, when requested; evaluating security aspects of information technology products and systems; providing a research and development and evaluation capability on security aspects of computer hardware, software and communications systems to ensure that information is available to the government on the security of computer systems and their use in government; and carrying out specialized training on COMSEC and on other relevant areas of information technology security, either directly or with the assistance of other departments, as required and mutually agreed upon. 1.5.2 Telecommunications In addition to the responsibilities listed in Article 1.5.1 of this publication, the GSP states that on request, CSEC will inspect, test and evaluate certain aspects of COMSEC, other than for the DND, and review government telecommunications to assess whether they adhere to prescribed COMSEC methodologies and practices. 1.6.3 Foreign Access Accountable COMSEC information and other COMSEC information controlled by CSEC shall on no account be disclosed or released to foreign nations, authorities or nationals unless release is authorized by CSE. Individuals authorized to have access to COMSEC information or cryptomaterial shall not disclose such information or release the material to any unauthorized person. This disclosure prohibition remains in force when persons have ceased to perform COMSEC duties, or a need-to-have access to cryptomaterial or COMSEC information. Classified COMSEC information shall be restricted to personnel who are security cleared to the appropriate level and are authorized to receive it. These directives are applicable to all GC departments and agencies listed in Schedules I, I.1 and II of the Financial Administration Act (FAA), and including the Canadian Forces, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), henceforth called "departments". Compliance with these COMSEC directives is the responsibility of each department. NOTE: See Annex J of this publication for directions that are applicable to other organizations that may require access to COMSEC. These directives describe courses of action determined by the Communications Security Establishment (CSEC) required to achieve a minimum level of COMSEC in departmental communications operations. Responsibility for implementing these directives rests with the Deputy Head of each department. Departments, Agencies or Organizations (DAO) must comply with the baseline requirements of these directives. In concert with the GSP, these directives are based on integrated assessments of threats and risks to the national interest and to government employees and assets. Departments must conduct their own threat and risk assessments to determine the necessity of safeguards above baseline levels. O.3.2 Federal Departments and Agencies (refer to Articles O.1.2 to O.1.4 of this annex for FAA details) Personnel representing the department/agency shall adhere to the following procedure: Complete a Type 1 and 2 Purchase Authorization form (Appendix 1 to this annex) ensuring that the – intended application is indicated, relevant departmental Material Requisition Purchasing Number is included, and form has been signed by the DSO or DCA); submit the completed Type 1 and 2 Purchase Authorization form (one form per vendor), to the Head, IT Security Client Services, at CSEC (see Annex L of this publication for mailing address); CSEC will return the approved original form, complete with a CSEC purchase authorization number, to the originating department or agency; the originating department shall then forward a requisition, with the signed and approved Type 1 and 2 Purchase Authorization form attached, to PWGSC for procurement (contract) action; and the vendor will be directed to ship the equipment directly to the pre-authorized departmental address, for distribution to internal end users. O.3.3 Non-federal Government Agencies Personnel representing the sponsoring GC department/agency shall adhere to the following procedure: Complete and submit to the Head, IT Security Client Services, at CSEC a Type 1 and 2 Purchase Authorization form (Appendix 1 to this annex), an ACMCA - (Annex M of this publication), and a Type 2 Device Sponsorship and Key Services form (Appendix 2 to this annex); CSEC will return the approved originals of the Type 1 and 2 Purchase Authorization form and the ACMCA, and will forward a copy of the approved Device Sponsorship and Key Services form to CSE's Canadian Key Management System (CKMS); CSEC shall forward a copy of the approved Type 1 and 2 Purchase Authorization form and the ACMCA to the sponsored government/industry agency; the sponsored agency may then order the equipment directly from the vendor (including a copy of the approved Type 1 and 2 Purchase Authorization form with the order); and the vendor shall ship the equipment directly to the sponsored agency, and shall forward a copy of the shipping papers to the Head, IT Security Client Services, at CSEC (see Annex L of this publication for mailing address). O.3.4 Canadian Private Sector Type 2 cryptographic equipment may be acquired by a Canadian private sector organization in the same manner as Type 1 cryptographic equipment with the exception that in addition to the requirement for an ACMCA for the associated keying material, the sponsor shall ensure that a Type 1 and 2 Purchase Authorization Form (Appendix 1 to this annex), and a Type 2 Device Sponsorship and Key Services Form is completed and submitted to the IT Security Client Services, at CSE. ---- Exercise of Authority Marginal note:Exercise of authority of officer or non-commissioned member by another 49. Any power or jurisdiction given to, and any act or thing to be done by, to or before any officer or non-commissioned member may be exercised by, or done by, to or before any other officer or non-commissioned member for the time being authorized in that behalf by regulations or according to the custom of the service. R.S., 1985, c. N-5, s. 49; R.S., 1985, c. 31 (1st Supp.), s. 60. Notification of Orders Marginal note:Publication 51. (1) All regulations and all orders and instructions issued to the Canadian Forces shall be held to be sufficiently notified to any person whom they may concern by their publication, in the manner prescribed in regulations made by the Governor in Council, in the unit or other element in which that person is serving. Marginal note:Registered mail (2) All regulations and all orders and instructions relating to or in any way affecting an officer or non-commissioned member of the reserve force who is not serving with a unit or other element shall, when sent to the officer or non-commissioned member by registered mail, addressed to the latest known place of abode or business of the officer or non-commissioned member, be held to be sufficiently notified. Marginal note:Saving provision (3) Notwithstanding subsections (1) and (2), all regulations and all orders and instructions referred to in those subsections shall be held to be sufficiently notified to any person whom they may concern by their publication in the Canada Gazette. R.S., 1985, c. N-5, s. 51; R.S., 1985, c. 31 (1st Supp.), s. 60(E). Power of Governor in Council to make regulations 12. (1) The Governor in Council may make regulations for the organization, training, discipline, efficiency, administration and good government of the Canadian Forces and generally for carrying the purposes and provisions of this Act into effect. 3. There is hereby established a department of the Government of Canada called the Department of National Defence over which the Minister of National Defence appointed by commission under the Great Seal shall preside. R.S., c. N-4, s. 3. Minister Marginal note:Duties 4. The Minister holds office during pleasure, has the management and direction of the Canadian Forces and of all matters relating to national defence and is responsible for (a) the construction and maintenance of all defence establishments and works for the defence of Canada; and ( research relating to the defence of Canada and to the development of and improvements in materiel. R.S., 1985, c. N-5, s. 4; R.S., 1985, c. 6 (4th Supp.), s. 10. Marginal note:Designation of person to execute Minister’s functions 5. The Governor in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister, may designate any other person in addition to the Minister to exercise any power or perform any duty or function that is vested in or that may be exercised or performed by the Minister under this Act. R.S., c. N-4, s. 5. Marginal note:Associate Minister 6. The Governor General may, by commission under the Great Seal, appoint an Associate Minister of National Defence to hold office during pleasure and to exercise and perform such powers, duties and functions of the Minister as may be assigned to the Associate Minister by the Governor in Council. R.S., c. N-4, s. 6. Powers of Command Marginal note:Authority of officers and non-commissioned members 19. The authority and powers of command of officers and non-commissioned members shall be as prescribed in regulations. R.S., 1985, c. N-5, s. 19; R.S., 1985, c. 31 (1st Supp.), s. 60. http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/dao-doa/index-eng.asp Yeah, and you got a day for this one...Effective February 29, 2012, the CFAO collection will no longer be available on Internet. Please contact Sonia Pion ([email protected]) if you require an electronic version. "The CFAOs are in the process of being superseded by Defence Administrative Orders and Directives (DAODs), manuals, standard operating procedures (SOPs) " http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/dao-doa/8000/8002-1-eng.asp "direct the collection, collation and assessment of counter-intelligence (CI) security threat information at the national level to provide security intelligence, threat assessments and early warnings to DND senior managers and commanders" "conduct investigations into allegations of inappropriate activities by the CFNCIU or National Defence Command Centre Security Intelligence (NDCC 2) associated with the NCIP. Allegation of illegal activities shall be referred for investigation to the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service (CFNIS);" http://www.vcds.forces.gc.ca/cfpm-gpfc/cfp-ggp/nis-sne/index-eng.asp “peace officer” includes [...] (g) officers and non-commissioned members of the Canadian Forces who are [...] (ii) employed on duties that the Governor in Council, in regulations made under the National Defence Act for the purposes of this paragraph, has prescribed to be of such a kind as to necessitate that the officers and non-commissioned members performing them have the powers of peace officers; [...] http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/Search/Search.aspx?txtS3archA11=peace&txtT1tl3=%22Criminal+Code%22&h1ts0n1y=0&ddC0nt3ntTyp3=Acts

I think you need to examine how ECHELON works, it does not involve hacking computer systems to retrieve data. Gathering latent data and maliciously attacking a system to obtain data are two different things. A warrent generally implies invasion not acquiring through cachement within ones own property.

Yes but International Inches are used not American Surveyor Measurements... Since 1959 A hand is defined as 4 International Inches not American Inches. Much like the Imperial System in Canada is not the Imperial System, it is the Canadian System and is not identical with all American Imperial Units. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inch#International_inch Also Imperial units in America are called English Units. In Canada their Imperial units are Called Canadian Units. The US has three units of measurement being used. Sadly even though the US Federal Government has officially passed measures, states are still passing acts. In the US I was pretty sure that if the Federal Government has jurisdiction the state does not.. likewise if the state has jurisidiction the people do not, and all other powers rest with the people. But clearly the Senate has effected an official statement on measures, so wouldn't that invalidate all other laws that contradict the US measure law? This is why Canada is much better off in having only 1 system and sticking to it. It leads to a lot of headaches in having to wondering what units are being used. Only having one official measure saves a lot of problems that the US faces interstate and by state/federal exchanges. http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/laws/metric-act.html

No degrees are used as a standard measure. Radians are only used for advanced measures. Degrees are a SI unit SI Derived Units Name Symbol Equivalent Measure of astronomical unit AU 1.49598e11 m mean distance earth to sun atomic mass unit u 1.66054e-27 kg mass becquerel Bq 1/s activity (radioactive) coulomb C A*s electric charge curie Ci 3.70e10 Bq activity (radioactive) day d 24 h time degree deg 1.745329e-2 rad plane angle electron volt eV 1.602176e-19 J energy farad F C/V electric capacitance gram g 0.001 kg mass gray Gy J/kg absorbed dose (of radiation) henry H V*s/A inductance hertz Hz 1/s frequency hour h 3600 s time joule J N*m energy litre L 0.001 m^3 volume lumen lm cd*sr luminous flux lux lx cd*sr/m^2 illuminance minute min 60 s time newton N kg*m/s^2 force ohm ohm V/A electric resistance pascal Pa N/m^2 pressure, stress radian rad m/m plane angle rem rem 0.01 Sv dose equivalent (of radiation) sievert Sv J/kg dose equivalent (of radiation) steradian sr m^2/m^2 solid angle tesla T V*s/m^2 magnetic flux density volt V J/C electric potential watt W J/s power weber Wb V*s magnetic flux year y 365.24 day time

Actually it couldn't legally. It would be illegal hacking and anyone doing it would be liable to arrest. If it was indictable any Canadians if proven could arrest any NSA person as aiding and abetting an indictable offence in Canada - more or less doing so by the NSA would be an act of war. If the US perpetuates war against me it substantiates me to legally kill any American governmental agent as a legal self defence. The US has absolutely no legal right to access any computer accounts to obtain information about me contrary to the law, and doing so by compramising computer databases or breach of trust is criminal and those people should be arrested outright. (there are some exclusions to this such as already existing by treaty, however those databases that local police do not have access to, would not be legally accessible to the NSA without a warrant, you are incorrect) this is no different than saying the NSA or a script kiddie can get information without a warrant. It still makes it illegal whether the NSA or the Mafia or some random joe. It is a crime. Any American engaging in those sorts of Activities should be arrested and if they resist all means should be taken to arrest them including lethal force if in flight or resistance. If you have evidence the NSA is conducting these activities in Canada supply it to your local Justice of the Peace immediately failure to do so is perpetuating acts of war against Canada, and aiding those acts by your silence is paramount of treason.

Yes your statement is false. Butter is colories which increases producitive potential. A gun does not create anything unless it is to kill an animal as a food source or some unorhadox of using the gun as a stick to plant seeds with. Basic needs create wealth. Production of luxuries reduce basic need productivity. If all basic needs are met, the issue only exists because "people owe" services to people which is legislated slavery.. the public is enslaved by debt. Guns can only remove that through otherwise illegal methods. So legally speaking butter is more effective at legal debt reduction, and is more productive. But definately a bomb is in war likely less productive than butter. Bombs can be useful however for mining and some other infrastructure growing practices. But war is not productive it is destructive. For instance a nuclear bomb could be used to melt the arctic and antarctic so that more land is arabale in northern climates increasing overall global productivity. However forst fires would need to be planned for, but there is atleast 6% idle population or over a million canadians that could be tasked to agroforestry. Perhaps nuclear weapons wouldn't help though? http://www.ctbto.org/nuclear-testing/the-effects-of-nuclear-testing/the-soviet-unionsnuclear-testing-programme/page-4-effects-of-nuclear-weapon-testing-by-the-soviet-union/?textonly=1 Guns are for the most part only productive in hunting. It is just a reminder that a 50megaton bomb droppedon toronto would give 3rd degree burns on people in Buffalo and vice versa. Seeing that this is being productive for people tanning in NYC isn't very productive given the effects of the bomb itself on the bigger scale. Much like a 50megaton bomb being dropped on NYC woulnd't be productive even if people in Toronto got a tan. It also important to note that moose can provide dung and urine and milk that can be used in agriculture and diet.. when a moose dies of natural causes it could be eaten. thus not requring the gun, only a tracking collar that measured life signs and gps location. Many animals serve useful natural functions and can be greater domesticated for human benefits rather than killed outright. Animals might only be culled during overpopulation when they started attacking humans for food in scarcity and guns are less productive at this than other methods like pointy objects and water. Guns enduce lazyness in hunting. A skilled bowman can do the same as a man with a rifle,with less noise, less expense and less resource use. Only the very aged and infirm need guns. The ancients did it with their bare hands. Some people of the acrtic with only ice and frozen excrement.

Recessions just mean people arn't working. TO fix that people start working. That doesn't take money it takes working people engaged in gainful employment - not make work projects with little or no tangible longterm benefits 50 billion on a import reduction employment plan would have gone much further than patching roads that still worked in northern areas of Canada or new billion dollar highways in the NWT to service a few thousand people each year. Plus recessions are fabricated by poor economic management they mean absolutely nothing, the government should only be aiming at two things AT ALL TIMES creating gainful employment (stimulating long term employment) and performing essential public services. THAT IS IT. The economy can manage itself beyond that. It was all war waste. Bombs don't increase productivity they reduce it because they destroy infrastructure and weaken the global economy. a trillion dollars in war is trillions of dollars in lost economic benefits.