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And English speaking Canadians have been through it all and continue to be discriminated upon by the very same governments they pay their taxes to. The only thing I can think of to rectify the situation is a revolution, something I do not advocate.

I did say it is a FORM of apartheid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_apartheid I can understand why New Brunswick is the only province in Canada to be 'officially bilingual', especially if they all think like you.

Please provide proof to back up your asinine statement. And exactly who do these poor residents of New Brunswick complain to, relating to linguistic oppression or for that matter any English speaking Canadian? But they wouldn't make the claim of actual "apartheid" either, because it's far too inflammatory to describe the realities. Trudeau never found his linguistic policies inflammatory. What he did was practice the age old liberal formula of normalizing and making legal, Nazi or commie type ideologies to indoctrinate Canadians, thus resulting in a culturally segregated, fractionated society.

It is more than an association. http://www.international.gc.ca/franco/evolution.aspx

The topic revolves around Canada/Quebec and La Francophonie and not what you posted. But I will give you a very good reason relating to Canada and La Francophonie, as to why, would not be in the political interest for Canada as a whole. As you know, in the past and even somewhat to-day, Quebec's political interest was associated with separation from Canada. Even if Quebec had separated from Canada, the strongest support recognizing Quebec internationally, would more than likely be from the countries associated with La Francophonie including France. And this is where the political danger lies. The majority of the countries within the La Francophonie organization, have themselves gone through the process of obtaining independence. In essence Canada is accommodating Quebec's political dream as becoming it's own sovereign nation, by not recognizing, that there are two opposing polical ideologies at play. One being Canada as a whole and the second one, Quebec as a separate country. Also with Canada/Quebec being part of La Francophonie, serves as a retail outlet for Quebec's cultural products such as books, films, manufactured articles etc. all at the expense of Canadian tax payer.

A socialized parasite like you would never admit or understand that our current level of democracy at ALL levels of government in Canada could be viewed as being EXTREMELY corrupt. I am glad you used the word "mandating," a word that is common with totalitarian governments. You know very well that in Ontario we are talking BILINGUAL SIGNS and FEDERAL style BILINGUALISM POLICIES and FRENCH LANGUAGE SERVICES that have been forced onto English speaking residents of Ontario who are the majority. How humiliating and how embarrassing it is to be an English speaking resident of Ontario and to be treated like scum by lowly corrupt municipal and provincial politicians who are hell- bent on propagating the French language. Like I said, you are a hypocrite. Like WW says, you are all over the place. You keep forgetting it is the English language that rules Canada, not the French language and Quebec has failed to acknowledge this. Quebec is the author of linguistic corruptness in Canada. The federal government initially failed English Canada by not dealing with Quebec with a firm hand by and by NOT holding a referendum on whether or not to keep Quebec in confederation. When I referred to Quebec style language laws it does not necessarily mean to be 'identical' but simply 'MANDATED' Nazi type language laws. Get It! If you read right idiot, I said SIMILAR and made no reference to gas chambers.

Ontario is de facto English speaking and currently every one in Ontario has a right to put up a sign in WHATEVER language they wish including French. But what Francophones are doing in some municipalities in Ontario is FORCING by way of anti-English legislation is that signs and the language of work be made BILINGUAL. But in saying this, the English language requires linguistic protection against language policies conceived by French sympathizers to advance the French language at the linguistic and financial expense of English speaking tax payers who form the majority. Oh, but I do very much, have a charter right, to complain. Lol, you can forget about French EVER, from being proclaimed the provincial official language of Ontario. For now, yes. I, can't wait for Ontario or the country for that matter, to go belly up from the constant transfer of financial resources from the productive to the unproductive supporting three countries in ONE Canada, English Canada, French Canada and Native Canada. That is what the problem is, corrupt application of justice and why we need referendums or plebiscites rather than a few politicians making traitorous linguistic decisions. FLA is a corrupt French language policy that was never decided on by ALL Ontario residents via referendum. English speaking Ontarians are affected by a form of apartheid. You know political, economic and legal discrimination. There is a difference between self learned bilingualism and bilingualism implemented by Nazi type language policies to forcibly change the linguistic structure of English being the dominant language. I strongly object to federal, provincial or municipal linguistic intervention of any kind, unless of course a democratic referendum is implemented. And that of course is GOOD GOVERNMENT. Then why do you support Nazi type language legislation to accomplish this? What difference? I support self learned languages if that is what one wants. But I certainly do not support any type of language legislation attacking the dominant language to discriminate against the English language and it's users. My reply relating to MLW was just to point out how much of a hypocrite you really are. Quoting Nazi Germany as an example to what happens when these linguistic policies become out of control. This should offend no one, but simply should warn that in the end, something similar could happen in Canada. That is exactly language laws do...deny excessive rights that could undermine that provinces linguistic stability. It appears I get it and you don't. The FLA in Ontario is the root cause relating to the establishing of other bilingual English/French policies.

You know that there are 24 municipalities in the province of Ontario that force the French language on the citizens of Ontario by way of French Nazi type langage policies. Just because the French language is FEDERALLY official does NOT mean it must be PROVINCIALLY official. Language in Canada is a provincial right not a federal right. And you very well know this is accomplished in Ontario that has no PROVINCIAL official language policy that takes costly financial/personal advantage of the English tax paying residents of Ontario, who form the very large majority of English speaking Ontario residents. The only way you can stop the infiltration of Quebec Nazi type language laws from being established in Ontario, is to fight fire with fire and create Nazi type English language laws to defend the linguistic/personal rights of English speaking Ontarians. You don't seem to understand that English/French bilingual language policies in Ontario establishes French as an official language in municipalities/cities in Ontario. This in turn, this one example only, creates French as a lingusitic asset that can be used by federal/provincial and private sector employers to demand the French languge as a condition of employment. This results in linguistic discrimination against the large majority of English speaking Ontarians who speak English only. How can you possibly say that, when you despise provinces that incorporate provincial language laws. So then you fully admit and agree to Quebec/Nazi type French language policies being established in provinces that have no provincial language policy such as the province of Ontario to protect your second class opinion. And both equal language laws were established MINUS the political right/will of ALL individual Canadians but rather instead by a handful of politicians. English/French laws were never included in our BNA Act relating to all Canadians but were fiddled around with by mainly a certain PM from Quebec again without the rightful political will of ALL citizens of Canada by referendum.

Let me be clear. The same type Quebec Nazi type French language laws currently exist in Ontario in 24 municipalities and cities. Oh really! So what current English language legislation am I supporting in Ontario? Answer: THERE IS NONE.....your imagination is running wild again. In fact your cluelessness does not even allow you to realize that this political forum operates out of Alberta an officially English speaking province....something you despise. Lol, lol, home of the anti-French rednecks. Boo-booo- boooo, lol, lol. Are you certain that you are not the Francophone that is fighting the English only speeding ticket because the signs were in English only? I forgot that it is not politically correct for English speaking Canadians to protect their language and rights from minority Nazi type language legislation. SURE! It is really nothing new, as the British were faced with the same problem. Let's face it Canadien, you simply DON'T want to be a regular Canadian....you want to be a special, distinct Canadian. You can't face the fact that the French language is not the dominant language Canada.

You mean Hitler would be proud of both Quebec and the federal government as it is they and not I, who have implemented Nazi type language policies. I doubt if anyone really gives a damn. At least you are maintaining the historical tradition of a typical arrogant, non compliant, clueless Francophone.

By all means. AlLL provinces should be equal in the same fashion as Quebec. One would have to be a clueless person not to recognize the fact that it is the English language which is the de facto language of Canada and is the one that drives the country. And not to learn the English language,one would have to be even more of a clueless person. The poor federal government as a national government is forced to go along with policies stemming from Trudeau's 'just society' since no one ever challenged those policies when they should have. Which goes to show you how great British insight was. Thanks to federal discrimination against English speaking Canadians and their political freedoms. You really lay it on thick with the word Canada when we all know with the case of La Francophonies it serves to give another level of autonomy to Quebec which allows Quebec to mouth off on the world stage. If it was not for Quebec you would not have virtually no political rights in Ontario, federal or provincial, period. BTW- My reply was to 'Whowhere'. Have you taken over 'Whowere's identity' as the reason you are replying for him?

No we are not. We are a country that has two official languages under federal entities. This has nothing to do with how bilingual Canadians are, which is under 20%. If you calculate that on a percentage basis it should have been around 20% in French. and I am being generous. Anyways the point is that the IOC was quite happy with the level of French spoken.

Well here it is ...the inevitable. http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Language+czar+review+Games+ceremonies/2579153/story.html This is despite of: http://www.thespec.com/Sports/article/722594 Nobody will ever convince me that the Official Languages Commissioner Graham Fraser and his federal cronies are nothing more than the federal equivalent of the Quebec provincial language police enforcing totalitarian language policies.

How can that be my position when totalitarian language policies state otherwise? Quebec has a right to preserve the rights the Quebec Act gave it within the province of Quebec and should be at it's expense. This thread has nothing to do with earthquake aid given to Haiti. The single issue is, Canada giving aid to Haiti to help Haiti under La Francophonie which Canada/Quebec is a memeber. Haiti is also a member of La Francophonie. What two issues...what ignorance? Who is attacking Quebec? This thread is under morals and ethics and I am questioning the ethics of Canada (federal government) as to why the federal government is internationally supporting the role of the Francophone community in Canada. Quebec should be looking after the propagation of it's own culture/language rather than at the expense of all Canadian tax payers.

And you are clueless to the fact that Fraser and his gang of 20 federal departments and agencies were badgering VANOC and NOT monitoring. Again you are clueless to the fact that the federal government does NOT even recognize French as being the official language in Quebec or the federal government would NOT be there offering federal services in ENGLISH and FRENCH.

I really never got to that point Canadien. I watched only about the first 5 minutes of it before switching over to my favourite U.S political news channel. Besides watching freaks of nature compete in snow and ice (mud and rain) is not really my bag. I would sooner enjoy reading a good book or watch a good movie with a couple of cold ones.

Sorry Macho, it has a lot to do with Canada, especially with Graham encouraging 20 federal departments and agencies to put linguistic pressure on VANOC relating to the use of the French language. This started back in Dec. 2008. http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/14/welcome-to-the-olympics-come-look-at-the-francophones/ Fraser should get more acquainted with Quebec and go and practice his vocation over there.

English and French languages are 'federally official only' and not supported by all Canadian provinces. British Colombia is a province that has no provincial language legislation of any kind. Anyways, the French language was not totally ignored.

This thread was driven off course and I said all I had to say. This thread was initially more about Quebec and their perpetual struggle from the grasp of federal powers and authority and in pursuit of political independence or total liberty.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2010/02/14/12881536-qmi.html Perhaps James Moore should recognize that Canada is an officially multicultural and not a bicultural country. If he is talking about Canada's official languages then he should be more specific. Secondly both Mr. Moore and Graham Fraser Canada's official language commissioner should respect B.C as a province that does not support any type of language legislation.

It is all part of Mr. Trudeau's 'just society' or 'to destroy the importance of the freely created dominant English speaking language in Canada' with the implementation of (a)-'the Official Language Policy of 1969, (- the Multicultural Policy of Canada 1971, ©-cultural components and the equality section of the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms 1982'. And not to mention uncontrolled third world immigration, Quebec French language laws, French language laws in English speaking provinces. Then you are saying, Quebcec Francophones=bad. Francophones in the ROC=good. But then you want and approve of minority French language laws in Ontario and all other Canadian provinces in the same fashion as Quebec. I don't think you know what you are saying anymore. I definitely prefer the English language in Ontario to be made official, just like it is in Alberta and Saskatchwan. Just think for a moment. If a tiny 4.8% (redefined definiton, .4% more) minority francophones can legally force French language services in 24 municipalities in Ontario and cities like Toronto Ontario and an official language policy in Ottawa Ontario without the will of it's tax paying residents. Then yes, Ontario should have no other choice than to establish English as the official language for the protection of it's English speaking residents against providing costly French services and against discriminating and ultimately forcing English speaking residents to become bilingual, English/French, in order to gain employment, in their own province that is 95.2% English speaking. I favour limited provincial French services in English speaking provinces and want federal services in English speaking provinces limited in a way, as to not interfere with the English language in it's rightful place as the dominant language in governnment and private buisness. Limited services only with the same rules as Quebec such as (in provinces like Ontario) the minority language mother tongue must represent 50% of the population to obtain limited municipal services in French. Certaintly not like it is now, 10% French in smaller municipalities or 5,000 francophones in urban areas warrants French language services. This is an open invitation to a cultural/linguistic takeover by a French minority language. This is happening in Ottawa Ontario with bilingual francophones running the show providing French services for the 1 or 2% francophones that cannot speak English. Just check out hospitals, restaurants, museums, airports, federal government services, provinvcial services, private businesses etc. and you will find a sea of francophones occupying jobs in these places. How can this be possible when the francophone population in Ottawa is only 14.9%. Well they are pouring into Ottawa from Quebec. Also and this is currently condoned by municipal, provincial and federal governments who are actively promoting a bilingual Ottawa and ignoring the large majority of Ottawa English speaking tax payers who are entitled to English only speaking jobs in Ottawa. Talk about a screwed up city, province and country. And French is the official language of commerce in Quebec including language laws relating to schools. Also highway signs are in French only and advirtising on public transit is French only. Yes, the same as Alberta or Saskatchewan where English is the official language. You say this as if you are somewhat proud and at the same time sound envious. But we were talking about establishing the English language and not the American revolution. It is absolutely astounding how you grasp the inner nature of things. BTW- This is my last post relating to any further debate with you, as it is apparent you are emotionally unstable and unable to debate in a civilized fashion.

Well, if that is your line of thinking, then perhaps you can add to that Pierre Trudeau's 'just society'. Unfortunately, this is not to say that fantasies cannot become real or in part, as is the case of a 'just society'. "Truly free society"...another item to add to your list of fantasies. I don't see why not, as both you and Quebec benefit. Quebec benefits as a 'French nationalistic dictatorship' and you benefit from affirmative action policies by way of equality rights. Both are derived from PirreTrudeau's 'just society'. Supreme authority...none. But as a 2nd class, discriminated upon, English speaking Canadian, I think I do have the right to object to the linguistic antics of socialized parasites made possible by totalitarian language policies. Okay, so you posted my reply that Canada is a country colonized by France and therefore French is not a foreign language. If Canada is a country colonized by France, we would all be speaking French, which we are not. In Canada and the U.S. the de facto language is English because of the SUCCESSFUL colonization by Britain. Therefore, French in Canada, even though it is an official language is still technically a foreign language.

What exist in my mind is REAL, the same as many other Ontarians and Canadians. The only difference is, language is NOT a profession and the criteria utilized to establish a minority language to overtake the importance of a majority language is totally offensive and corrupt and destroys the well being of the majority. You will never understand that a freely developed and established society is the basis to services offered to it's residents and NOT your minority French language. Quebec understands that logic. A parliamentary democracy can indeed be CORRUPT and which is the primary objective of this thread. Which is typical of your postings, all personal opinion and no proof. It is definitely my business. And to think I always thought it was the Romance language spoken in France and in countries colonized by France.

Nazi type language laws override the importance of a freely established English language utilized by the large majority of Ontario residents. In many cases English speaking Ontarians are forced learn the foreign language French in order to gain employment in a province that is only 4.4% French. Sorry make that 4.8% under the new Francophone redefined language policy. Ontarians are also forced to support 205 French language services in what is suppose to be a free society. Employment wise, absolutely. It was not created by the free or democratic will of Ontario tax paying residents. Like 4.4%, oh sorry, 4.8% of the population of Ontario. That is a totally false statement and you know it, activist. Ha,ha, ha, and I suppose neither are Italian, German, Russian, Arabic etc. etc. Then you must also know this is neither a free nor democratic society but in many instances is a dictatorship which does not reflect the will of Canadians.

What happened in Quebec is something the federal government could never rectify and in the end ultimately dumped the Quebec culture and language problems directly onto the backs of English speaking Canadians. English translation please. Via Nazi type language policy. Provinces are not compelled to support OLA. Proves how clueless you are. Exactly what rights are you talking about? Nothing like a free society cough, cough cough.