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Renegade This has got nothing to do with White, Black or Yellow. Immigration is one thing. Mass or large scale imigration is another thing. Laws should be made to restrict large movements of housing and property to a culture and race other than what the majority is in this country. Doing so DESTROYS the fabric of the country. Are you advocating transforming Canada into a land dotted with cultural ghettos and or provinces. I don't know a country in the world with that type of logic that would sit very well especially with Charter rights that encourage this type of conditon. This almost sounds like implementing apartheid.

Drea You wrote- " Gee, do you think immigrants get their homes for free? Do they get to purchase goods and services tax free? No? Then they are building and nourishing Canada." What they are doing is walking in on a dysfunctional established country and culture and taking over what most Canadians (or have a very hard time) can no longer afford to do. This of course all caused by various levels of incompetent government. Who gets screwed in all of this. Home grown Canadians who built this country who have been defrauded out of the RIGHT to normal expected amenities in their own country. Comical isn't it!

Drea You wrote- " Do you think there are only Blacks in America? That they never settled in any part of the world? They never had equality in any other parts of the world?" A civil war was fought over this and there will always be prejudices because of this. Actually Blacks are doing quite well in the U.S. especially in the music industry. All races enjoy being part of that country and there is always a large line up beating down the doors to be accepted as an immigrants. Even the illegal immigrants are protesting and pleading to accept them. Are you that naive to think other countries of the world don't harbour there own prejudices in a specific pecking order against other imported races and cultures. Discrimination exist world wide and the only country that really feels at home (to some) is the country of your initial culture and if you feel that way the door is always open.

Renegade You wrote- " What I detect in your statements is resentment and jealousy of people of other races who can afford houses which I cannot." At present I do not own my own home by choice. The three previously ones I owned when I sold generated not a fortune, but a cool $500K. What you don't detect is my loyality to Canada and my national pride associated with building Canada to what it is to-day. I think it is a disgrace for Canadian society to sell out Canadian homes and properties and even provinces especially to new immigrants who never had nothing to do with the building and nourishing of Canada while the majority our younger Canadians can only dream about owning their own home or are no longer entitled to a COMMON CULTURE of the land. Sign of the times. I don't think so, as this is only a tempory stop gap solution as the country slowly self destructs.

theloniusfleabag Pertaining to the "words of Patton on the 761st battalion". It should be remembered when civil war broke out this man served in the 22nd Virginia infantry of 'The Confederate Sates of America.' How well Black troops really performed and with what degree of enthusiasm in World WarII could only be analysed properly by senior military personnel of that time and is not up to you or I to be suspect whether or not this General could possibly be somewhat biased. I find it difficult that you would not understand the multiple problems and risk associated with Blacks in the military at that time.

Drea You wrote- " During World II , Black American troops were treated worse than German POWs. When a Black regiment (I forget the name of it) went to Britain, the British could not believe how badly the Americans treated the Black soldiers. Blacks were equal in Britain long before they gained equality in the U.S." I don't know what the specifics were in the incident your talking about. But slavery was at one time legal begal mainly in Southern U.S. and Blacks were not considered the same as any other American at that time and as you are probably aware proved troublesome for some time. Actually the Blacks who served in World WarII were in a way fortunate as they were segregated and denied an active role in battle initially. But things turned around during the war and Blacks played an active part in battle. In the Army the all Black 92nd division and the 761st tank battallion received the Presidential Citation " for extraordinary heroism in military operations against an armed enemy." And in 1943, two segregated units the USS Mason and the Submarine Chaser PC1264, were granted full sailing duties. Over 150,000 Blacks served in the Navy during World WarII and there were 145,000 Blacks in the Air Force in 1944. It seems Blacks proved themselves capable in that war and were more readily accepted from that time on.

Renegade You wrote- " You draw all kinds of radical racial conclusions, and provide zero evidence to back your claims other than your say so." Radical racial conclusions???? The only racial conclusions I harbour is that contrary to government propaganda different cultural lifestyles create and promote hate and animosity and competiton to prove one is more important or viable than the other or more worthy of some type of political attention. i.e.- English vs. French, Christianity vs. Islam, heterosexuals vs. homosexuals and a whole host of other adverse cultural lifestyles including failure to understand western values, culture and traditons and even law of the land pertaining to even what constitutes a crime or criminal offense. Police departments are faced with this single aspect as an example regularly with cultures in deep denial with allegations of 'cultural profiling' towards police trying to do their jobs. Evidently you are not informed concerning evidence. The media day after day highlites many stories and articles related to exactly what your claiming that Iam not supplying you with in the way of evidence. Editorial columns disect what we are talking about. I don't have to supply what you describe as evidence as it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE to most informed Canadians concerning adverse cultural problems, distubances, mayhem and crime. This is the West not some oppressed little country who disallow any information from reaching the public outside of it's dictatorial views.

Riverwind Culture is a COMPONENT of race and as a White English speaking Canadian it is my choice to distinguish by colour to identify and support controversial issues involving racial incompatibility. I think we have a racial problems in Canada and as you pointed out it is Jamacian and Somali problems in Toronto and people I know further identify B.C. as problamatic (including my brother who lives there)concerning racial incompatibility. As you pointed out certain volatile areas between Catholic and Protestant were worth killing over and still is as attested in Ireland. But the fact remains both these religions are part of Christianity which is the main religion in both the U.S. and Canada and is very much responsible for the successful socities harboured in both countries. Surely you must recognize the present volatilty in religions like Islamic combined with Shari Law do not contribute to a nations peacefull co-existence and would be foolhardy to suggest they do as religion is part of culture a component of race which is proven volatile like as what you described as the Jamacian and Somali problem in Toronto.

Talk about twisted diatribe. Now illegal immigrants are complaining and protesting over bills before Congress that would make it a felony to be an illegal immigrant in the United States. I also agree abuse of the immigration process should not be tolerated and illegal immigrants should be kicked out of the country. http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-03-25-voa6.cfm

Riverwind You wrote- " Racism of the type you express is a waste of time" What racism are you talking about 'that I express'? Approx. twenty-five years of Liberal rule have propagated seeds of hate primarily by allowing Quebec to discriminate in a racial way against the ROC with the federal government actually promoting French in a way that discriminates even further. You also wrote- " eventually, there will be so many people of mixed race in Canada that the question of race will become irrevelent." Right now the country is showing signs of severe cultural rot in cities like Toronto plagued with major infrastructure problems, crime and race incompatability. A country will cease to function if there is not common loyalities to a country including a common national religion. Human nature will simply not allow a country of your description to exist unless it is similar to the U.S. with realitive united loyalities, something I doubt Canada will ever achieve due to Charter rights and split solitudes.

theloniusfleabag You wrote- " It is this kind of thing that proves to me that everyone is equal." Only in America will you see this. In the U.S. it's American FIRST and that includes culture to most.

Renegade Obviously we have different views concerning ETHNIC immigration and the evolution of Canada since the Trudeau era and the reasons for ethnic immigration initially. We can bat the ball back and forth all day and it won't achieve anything if you do not have a basic understanding how a corrupt government manipulated Canadians to accept it's dictatorial official languages, bi-culturalism changed to multi-culturalism, corrupt discriminatory Charter changes and a federal movement to change the face of Canada to accomodate cultural obsessed ethnic immigration to appease the desires of a cultural dominated Quebec, that is make culture an important prerequiste of being a Canadian. That is from primarily a single majority English culture (that still is) that never needed it's language 'officialized' to accomodate a nonsensical artificial multi-cultural socities and groups. This was done to break the English stranglehold it had on Canada and put French Quebec in a positon of power as well as other sub cultures. What is happening to-day is the ROC is paying dearly to support Quebec as an independent solitude all because most Canadians initially were to weak to stand up to a corrupt federal government who were basically re-writing history for the benefit of Quebec. Your arguments are based from the federal government viewpoint and not from citizen's of Canada who have lived through and experienced the dictatorial manipulative actions of the Liberal party of Canada. I cannot debate from what I consider corrupt policies and statistics developed by a corrupt government.

Hicksey 'A teachers strike in Ontario' WTF does this have to do with FEDERAL POLITICS???? CAN'T READ HICKSEY??????

geoffrey You wrote- " I'm sure the grand Islamic conference of the world (GICOTW) had a discussion about how to use birthratesto make lots of little Islamics to immigrate to Canada and overthrow western democracy." Muslim numbers are already there and I would not be to quick to discount actions of this sort as there is already currently a trial in progress involving Muslims in Ottawa concerning the manufacturing of electronic explosive triggering devices in a private Ottawa home with a link to possible terrorist action in London. You also wrote- " If any group opposed your so called "Islamification" it's Quebec. They have been the most outspoken on how it attacks their distinct society." I fully believe there was initially a conspiracy to cover Quebec's tracks in it's quest of dominating Canada on a basis of culture and linguistics as a weapon involving the federal government itself in which Quebec has as significant control within the Liberal party. I believe this theory included masking it's advances by flooding Canada with ethnic immigrants to remove the 'English factor' as the present dominating factor which would allow Quebec as an 'official language' to move it's ideoligies a lot easier across Canada and gain control significantly easier in a official- multicultural country. How do you explain B.C. being sold out to ethnic populations. And who was responsiable for this initial trend to do this to our country, to sell out a province in this fashion? Buisness and White immigration was readily available right from the start if that's what B.C. wanted across the border called the U.S. but was declined in favour of ethnic immigrants. Your right in saying Quebec is excempt from all of this and allowed to further build it's French speaking forces while the ROC is forced to accept all minority cultures removing the onus off of Quebec allowing it to swing it's cultural axe as leader of the minorities thus leaving it in the positon to gain more political control than ever.

geoffrey You wrote- " Uhhh... what's the point of democracizing then? Hypocritical." You cannot force democracy on a country as it must be accepted and wanted. The U.S. will deal with puppet regimes on mutual agreement whatever the issue may be. The case with Iraq is a little different as it has an obligation to restore a functional system preferably in line with free world ideologies.

waxer You wrote- " we are in the firing lines of Islamic desire for worls domination, by all means possible, they are using birth rates, terrorism, immigration, economic (oil etc.) means to defeat us and weare to stupid to realize it." I realize it, you realize it and many in this forum realize. But our federal government continues to welcome them with open arms as immigrants. I find this extremely strange as why the emphasis is on immigration of this type when there are so many other more desirable countries to provide a no hassle type of immigration more in line with Western ideologies. Quebec has also been trying to gain an upper hand under cultural and linguistic domination and I am inclined to think heavy immigration from countries heavy on their own type of cultural beliefs is no accident and is done intentially to enforce the view that Canada is not controlled by the majority English, White, Christian Canadian.

Riverbend Our family has been in Canada since 1765 and I know what Iam talking about. Quebec has been running the country since the Trudeau era that included many detrimental changes that affected the rest of Canada but served and advanced Quebec ideologies mainly through it's association with the federal Liberals. The country cannot afford to service two main independent solitudes along with Aboriginal demands and associated multiculturalism and that's what the PROBLEM is. Our economy will not support a growing population as you can see for example in the T.O. area with many related MAJOR immigration and infrastructure problems. The country cannot exist on service and sales forever. It requires manufacturing and for now that is being addressed by exploiting countries like China with ultra low labour rates but won't last forever. Canadian manufacturing relies on the U.S. as it's ownly main export country and this is why we should become part of the U.S. while the going is good as natural resources won't last forever and if the U.S. ever really wants them due to any type of U.S.-Canada friction it can bring Canada to it's knees ant time it chooses without resorting to any kind of weaponery. Corporate Canada will keep Canada alive one way or the other until every last red cent is extracted from the system. The level of personal debt has never been higher and mostly everyone owes heavily for everthing they think they own. This is what helps to keep the country functional at this time. Our views are different and I would strongly suggest you are the one that is being naive.

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Riverwind You wrote- " What you forget is the vast majority of immigrants are not any wealthier than the average Canadian who was born here and they get priced out of the market to." This is partially true as Canadian cities DO NOT have the infrastructure to accomodate swarms of ethnic immigrants who also strain welfare resources. But wealthier immigrants are snapping up more expensive housing due to international advertising as Canada being a multicultural country race protected country and are responsible for a large increase in small buisness mainly boutiques of various types with many dominated by Muslims. This problem cannot be blamed on immigrants entirely but mainly on corporate Canada who always seems to be in collusion with the banks and federal and provincial governments. You also wrote- " In any case the problem is not caused by wealthy immigrants- the problem is caused by increases in population. You would see the same thing if 'Whitey's were willing enough to breed enough to replace themselves." If White's are smart enough NOT TO BREED when the resources are not there to support family ideologies deserve great credit and admiration from other populations that are TO DUMB to do the same thing. Canada will not achieve much by stuffing the country with ethnics who think Canada is a cool place to live and live in conditions no Canadian would tolerate. How nice to fast tracked to an established modern society and to plaster the country with little boutiques in which our federal government uses created tax money to support other self-rightous socities like the aboriginals and Quebec. You also wrote- " live with economic problems created by a decling population or allow immigration." Canada just does not have the type of investor confidence required to succeed and is hampered by an inferior climate and high labour rate which will doom it's existence regardless. My answer is for governments to stop hallucinating and stop torturing Canadians with false hopes of economic grandeur and if allowed or permitted join up with the great U.S.A. as this is our only hope of salvation and will occur at some point regardless. And I say sooner the better.

Renegade You wrote- " Unless you have something more definate this is pure BS." Consider B.C.'s ethnic population alone. The Liberals were detirmined years ago to rid the British out of Columbia ( in name) and succeeded. You also wrote- " In my view if we are accepting immigrants who have the wealth to buy expensive properties, this can only be benefical to the community, as that same wealth will spur investment in the local economy." Now that statement is pure BS. What you are doing or they is pricing Whities out of their own housing market now taken over by ethnic immigrants who impose their minority culture and religion destroying Canadian beliefs and traditons. The investment ethnic buisness owners put into the community from what I understand is minimal as most of their buisnesses are family operated employing few Canadians or people of their own culture. You must remember Charter Rights and multiculturalism was imposed on Canadians without a national referendum or even a revolution. Canadians never had any say concerning Charter Rights, multiculturalism and related immigration. You also wrote- " You are correct that some people will live beyond their means. But that is no different a situation than has always been the case." No sorry. Personal debt is at record highs and I believe $22,000 for every man woman and child in the country or $628 billion. I posted that link in another thread just recently. Actually I found another link stating an even higher amount somewhere around $740-billion. This is why the government is trying hard to keep interest rates down and considering the possibility of long term mortgages as no one really knows what will happen in the event of a substantial increase in interest rates. I use my own quotes to save bandwidth and only use what's necessary to get my point across. Gregg cautioned about the abuse of over quoting.

Renegade You wrote- " How do you substitate that these homes are mainly being sold to wealthy foreigners? The article made no such claim." Third short paragraph from the bottom. I don't know where your from but in my city I just have to drive out to the suburbs or basically any section of the city to see non- whites all over the place in high priced housing and have spoken to many to confirm this. Actually there are no statistics to confirm this but one only as to look at B.C. to see the high ratio of non-white immigration and what it has done to B.C. You also wrote- " Housing affordability has been the best in decades." Low interest rates won't last forever and many Canadians are in homes they can't really afford and are living well beyond their means as attested by private debt to the tune of $628-billion dolars which well exceeds our gross national deficit. You sound like a spoiled federal public servant or maybe school teacher. How many good paying jobs do you actually think there are in Canada?

Riverwind You wrote- " There's a gut of rental properties now so these foreigners are likely purchasing the properties to live in them. In which case they are contributing to the local economy." So what ! The point is a lot foreigners or new immigrants are buying these homes. Don't you realize you are displacing 'home grown Canadians' by doing this by actually making housing less available and then further increasing housing again with inevitable tax increases contributing to yet higher home prices. That's the point. You also wrote- " Are you expecting government to subsidize the cost of building house now." Governments have already done enough implementing amalgamation in many cities thus increasing municiple taxes when your supposed to save in taxes, resulting in higher assessment values of existing housing thus artificially increasing the cost of housing. B.C has sold out that province by advertizing internationally for propective buyers and the same is happening in larger cities across Canada resulting with new immigrants taking over the high cost of cities fiscally mismanged. In other words well heeled new immigrants are being encouraged basically by government (who does not oppose foreigners buying into Canadian real estate) basically because of cities who failed existing Canadians with proper fiscal management. There are simply not enough existing home grown Canadians who can afford these new high prices caused by fiscal mismanagement. It is to late for governments to do anything as high paying jobs cannot be created from thin air and this is why the emphasis is on immigration to get the government out of it's self created dilema. I would rather see subsidized housing anyday then to sell out the country to rich foreign immigrants.

cybercoma You wrote- " Don't be stupid and spend $1-million dollars on a home in Vancouver. don't live in Vancouver. When the demand drops, so will the prices." It isn't Canadians buying these expensive homes it is foreigners who are also snapping up the $200,000 homes. We are displacing Canadians who cannot even find a home at the lower level. In fact I know younger people who spend $175,000 for a small modest townhouse and have to maintain three or four jobs in order to pay for it. Loose one job and you lose your home. The money one gets on a resale sounds good but only if you sit on the money. If you buy something else it's all lost plus probably a small mortgage. Selling cities that include artificially high priced homes out to foreigners to cover high infrastructure cost will have LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES with the possibility of young and old out on the street with no place to live.

August1991 You wrote- " My responsibilities were about the... needs of Canadians," Harper said. " I don't intend to participate in the actions of famous people." LOL, tell this to the famous wealthy pork barrelling contributors to the Conservative party and I will be clicking my heels. Is Paul Martin and Bono forgotten already? I think Stephen Harper does owe BB discussion time as she is one of the more prominent fiqures that represents a worldwide public outcry against Canada's annual seal cull. In fact I think that discussion should be televised so Harper can educate the world in this matter while at the same time being confronted by BB's anti-seal cull concerns. Dodging the press, refusing to particpate in controversial issue's... I think we have another Liberal party on our hands.

All I got to say is Canada gone nuts! If things go as predicted in four years average homes in Vancouver will be selling for $1-million with larger cities like Toronto and Ottawa close behind. These high priced homes are mainly being sold to wealthy foreigners (the only ones who can afford these places) and do indeed make many people rich. But what is this doing for average home grown Canadians who also need a place to live? Not much, with many older sons and daughters returning home to live with their parents because of the un-availability of reasonable priced housing or forced to live in rental accomodation plaqued by low class lifestyles caused by to many people living in the same units sharing the rent. The housing market has become very problamatic and no one seems to be doing much about it. What do you think should be done to alleviate the situation other than sell Canada out to foreigners? http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories