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Here is the link from the Parliament of Canada Web site. The Conservatives plan to make provisions for those close in age. With that provision attached it will be pretty tough for *any* member to object to this proposal. It is not going to stop 15 year-olds from having sex with people like Bill Graham anyway (sorry but I had to throw that in...it is quite relevant). If a 15 year old boy or girl has a thing for his friend's sister or brother, etc. it is going to go on in someone's home. It is not going to be on the evening news. There should be a law, no doubt, to protect internet predators. But it will not criminalize consensual sex.

Brilliant...I'm still laughing...

Yank, Another great post. I mean these people are friends of the anti-American left, right? Canadians are being reluctantly pulled along into the 21st century...

Do you realise what percentage of the US economy is defense spending? Obviously not. The problem doesn't sit with the war spending. It sits with the fact that rest of the world is doing dick-all in rebuilding the country and that Bush is pursuing a socially liberal agenda at home. I really wish you wouldn't value people's freedom with how much it costs the yanks. At least they are doing something, what have we done for oppressed groups in the last 25 years? Oppressed groups??? Geoffrey, we must drink our Molson Canadians and submit to Canada's Liberal elite...let those evil yanks take the blame for it all...

Even if it facilitates them getting it by creating a black market that has no qualms selling it to kids? Even if all it does is make it forbidden fruit and therefore more alluring? Even if it provides organized crime with millions and millions of dollars? For what mixed message? Is it a mixed message that glue is legal? You can get even more blasted off that. I bet if they made glue illegal, kids would be lining up to try it. Oh man Bubber...I agree with you... Prohibition never worked and never will work...

Knowing some biologists, they all agree Belinda has had some work done. But if she knocked on my door at two in the morning... Ah yes, BACK to the debate, that was pretty funny Belinda speaking for unity when she can't speak French...

"I looked on my map and couldn't fiind this Eurabia you speak of." Neither could I...

I don't think my hospital is either.

Shouldn't this be in provincial politics? I don't live in Ontario but I read the likely battle will pit Liberal McGuinty against Conservative John Tory.

Parties are becoming so unimportant I think. Not that the Liberals ever were a party, more like an unhappy honeymoon between the NDP and Conservatives.

Actually reading the Montreal Gazette article today I think I am starting to change my mind a bit. He now has official Vancouver and Montreal reps, as well as reps from close enough to downtown Toronto (in the GTA) to understand that district. If it turns out that he is better able to represent the "Big Three" because of this, then maybe it is for the better.

Completely agree you Yank, thats real globalization. Thats the way it'll have to work if we all want to be more financially well off. I just finished that one up Drea, Thomas is a great writer and its a good book, I highly recommend it. I personally feel we will all be better off with a broader, richer marketplace. It is the future...

Hey, I've never, "embraced" the Liberals, and I'm not about to start with them or their dopplegangers in the CPC (at least I hope that's what the CPC turns out to be: the alternative-that they actually live up to their convictions- is much worse in my books.) To be fair you are right you never embraced the Liberals. But why not hope the CPC is less corrupt?

"Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." I will not say you are wrong Black Dog. But I will wait until the next election before I start embracing Liberals again and I suggest you do the same.

I think you're right...it is not so much (for me) banning crossing the floor as much as it is making you sit as an independent first. I wouldn't call a by-election so soon.

I have issues with Emerson's move but I will evaluate the entire Harper term on what happend during the entire Harper term. If this is the only mistake he makes then he is OK and still better than the Libs.

All your "lesbian friends" are proving is that stupidity and generalising isn't exclusively a heterosexual trait. There are plenty of gay men who would retort with the old canard about "two weeks into the relationship, they hop in the U-Haul and move in together." The interesting thing is that all these so-called "experts" on gay male relationships aren't gay men, and ditto for lesbian relationships. Nothing amuses me more than having someone who is, more or less broadly clueless about gay life "explain" it to me and then complain about "painting with a broad brush." EDIT: Incidentally, I suspect that in queer company, your lesbian friends would have a good laugh about you and your relationship as well. Yeah, I'm sure the women whose wedding I was a part of are disrespectful enough to laugh about me and my relationships. The point is that it's even known in the gay community that gay men especially the younger ones are mostly motivated by sex. Of course there's people who get together and stay together for life, there' exceptions to every rule. But is there not a single grain of truth to this idea? Most of the gay men I know proudly admit that they're promiscuous and care nothing for a "relationship" other than for sex. Maybe the community where I live is different, but I highly doubt it. Does any of this really matter? I don't care if homosexual guys have sex more than heterosexual guys. Look, what you do in your spare time is good for you. I know homosexuals who are promiscuous. I know heterosexuals who are promiscuous. I never thought that one group was more than another group and I never cared to investigate. If young gay guys like sex then that is great. Surely in this "age of terrorism" with so many political issues going on we need not be having such ridiculous discussions about whether gay people have more sex than other people in the population. It all just seems silly to be having this discussion...

"Though we now have both Vancouver and Montreal with representation in Ottawa I do wish the entire matter had been above board and more in line with the ethical standards of the party." I agree. Maybe it could have been handled differently but at least PM Harper has representation in government from Vancouver, Montreal, and the GTA.

Word! I think that is the overwhelming verdict on this one.

I am completely willing to give the benefit of the doubt but Shoop is stating facts here. All of those things are true. They are things the left is not against and should not be on the defensive about. In those days, Trudeau got 74/75 seats in Quebec and plenty of help from Toronto and Atlantic Canada. Trudeau did good things and many bad ones too. I happen to agree the Constitution in 1982 is flawed, no one can doubt he created huge debts, and governed for, by, and of the east. Those are abuses of power I think as well...not indicative of the federalism he said he stood for...

But if they sat as an independent, Wilber, they would not necessarily be endorsing the governing party...

That would be an incredible reform if it would ever happen. I would support it.

If you cared to read the forum rules, you'd see that insulting entire groups of people based on your narrow stereotypes is explicitly prohibited. But more to the point, I don't see why you insist on throwing out these pointless and inflammatory comments constantly. Oh come on IMT I am not insulting the left in a vile way, just making a little joke.

You're right.. he isn't wrong. He is completely and inexplicably wrong. But its forgiveable.. I went through the same indoctrination in high school here in Edmonton in my day. How so? What indoctrination?

Agreed...they can vote for the other party as an independent. Belinda could have saved the former Liberal government as an independent.