Signals.Cpl

Do you work for Fox "News"?

So...The Conservatives "didn't tell you" about the costs of the F-35 and you are angry while at the same time the Conservatives "didn't tell you" about the costs of the NSPS yet you don't care. You can't call them liars for using this method to purchase aircraft when you don't care the method they use to purchase ships. Either all purchases use the same criteria or none of them use that criteria. Insisting that the Conservatives "tell the truth" about this project while ignoring all other project is dishonest and for the opposition to not care about the NSPS which costs 19billion more is hypocritical.

So if the project went to the bidding process the 11 billion will not be any interest anymore and the cost of the Fighters will be back down to 14.5billion?

What does the 11billion extra have to do with the bidding process? the war cry we were lied to is changing to we didn't have a choice. So if the conservatives were to open the bidding process the 11 billion will be irrelevant?

Yeah and a report that estimates the cost for 20 years in the future is so reliable? One major war where we have to deploy 10 or more fighters for an extensive period of time(Over a year) and with increase operational tempo, the 5billion for CF personnel will increase as will the operational cost. Suddenly the 11Billion dollars extra does not cover 20 years, it covers 10 years. the additional 11 billion is nothing but a guess, because should the Canadian Economy collapse and the government cuts the Military budget, DND will decide what is needed and what is not needed and could store a number of the fighters thereby cutting the cost. If 10 F-35's crash over the next 10 years, the pilots and support crews and operational cost will not be necessary for the following 10 year thereby cutting 1/6 of remaining costs. This is the exact same method that the Conservatives used for the NSPS yet not a peep from the opposition even though it is 19billion dollars more expensive.

Criminal? You mean the shutting down the airspace to prevent further acts on Either Canadian or American targets? Soldiers deployed to protect vital targets like major airports?

Why pick and choose? Why doesn't the NDP bring forward that the NSPS did not follow the rules? When the 33 billion dollar price tag for CG and RCN vessels doubles at the very least then the contract is going to be eliminated, but then again so are the jobs that so many Canadians will be getting from the project and thus will eliminate the NDP's chance for leading the government. If you are going to use the criteria on the F-35's then make sure you go back and use it on any and every project since the policy came in to effect. I wonder why the NDP is not interested in the NSPS, any Ideas?

Yeah because I am using the same criteria for the F-35s and NSPS. The NSPS costs 33 billion the F-35 costs 14 billion

No I don't agree with this, the fact is the numbers the AG pulled out are essential pulled from thin air. If over the next 10 years 20 of our F-35s crash, or have to be cannibalized for spare parts the entire equation is thrown off by 30%. One major war and the amount could drastically change. Honestly this is politics, you and the rest of the anti-Harper crowd are up in arms not because of this issue, but because it is the Conservatives that are moving along with it. I think that the next time a pilot dies, the opposition should be forced to go to the funeral and explain to the family of the pilot why he or she is dead now, because of politics. Just like the Liberals should have been forces to go to the funerals of the Sea King casualties and explain to the families how the people they love were let down by an incompetent group of politicians. NDP and the liberals want to score points on this issue, let them see the consequences.

I don't care if its policy or not, I want to know why the F-35s? The NSPS alone accounts for 33 billion dollars in ships for both the RCN and CG, so I don't see why all the fuss over the F-35 while no fuss for something that costs 19billion more. NSPS cost 33 billion F-35 cost 14 billion The only reason I can see why the F-35 is such a big deal while the NSPS is not is that it is simply politics. No party wants to piss off the East Coast, West Coast, Quebec and Ontario at the same time. I think if the F-35 is such a big deal, informing the public about the NSPS which costs 19billion more would make sense right?

People need to realize that we cannot compete with the US but at the same time we cannot be the polar opposite of the Americans. We need our own military to answer to our own government and be capable of meeting all the needs that are placed on them CF.

If the CBC is not putting tax dollars to good use the government should have withdrawn 100% of the funding. I mean this type of recycling does not really help the environment just makes the CBC more and more irrelevant in Canada and to Canadians.

To be honest, I think that the Canadian public is not informed well enough about the military and part of the blame falls on the military for closing and downsizing bases in or near major cities thus making a disconnect between the people and the military. Most people are not well informed about the military and what it does for Canada and what it needs from Canada because of the false belief about peacekeeping.

Yeah, its getting pathetic.

Because they are right, its not about the jets, its about politics and the NDP, the liberals and their hardcore supporters do not seem to care that they will be putting Canadian Lives in danger.

What is it about then? What I see is the Conservatives handling this PR issue in the most incompetent way possible and the opposition lying to the Canadian public by not informing that the extra 10 billion is coming out of the DND budget.

I think the conservatives could solve this problem really easily. Inform Quebec that the contract for maintaining and upgrading the F-35's will come to them and suddenly the NDP will cease to complain.

Im genuinely curious how the Conservatives start the fires they are putting out now. Did they force the Greeks, or anyone else to take on more debt then they could afford? Or were the conservatives responsible for the nosedive of the US economy? The actions taken by the conservatives today are meant to ensure that the major problems of today are dealt with promptly rather then leave them to another government and another generation to deal with the disasters that they become.

Well isn't that the thinking? That the NDP cannot be corrupt? Either you believe that the NDP is just like any other party and is just as corrupt as any other party or you believe that the NDP has managed something that no other organization has managed to do and that is select members that are completely above corruption. It seems to me that the NDP supporters are quick to accuse the Conservatives of being corrupt, and generally blame them for everything that happens wether they have control over the situation or not, and in general seems that when the tables are turned NDP supporters don't like the heat. Until now the NDP was behind the BQ, no one took them seriously enough, but now that the NDP is the official opposition the scrutiny will begin. Just watch, when you were irrelevant nobody cared but I suspect that the Conservatives and the Liberals as well as the BQ or what remains of it are digging for dirt, and soon, the tables will be turned most likely at the most inconvenient time for the NDP, during the next election.

So the conservatives are to blame for the state of the world economy?

Ok, so I am convinced that you didn't read a things I have said, mainly because I made the statement that all political parties are corrupt a few pages back. Not my fault you didn't read my comment. I believe all parties are equally corrupt I have never hidden that fact if you choose to read only select parts of my posts that is not my problem.

I will go along with you, the NDP is the only party in the History of Canada nay the world that is infallible, it is the only party that has ever existed which has not and will never be corrupt. This party of the people will once elected fix all of the problems of the country and then move out and fix the problems of the world starting with the US because they are not blessed with the gift of having a party as pure and perfect as the NDP.

The NDP went from nobody in 4th place to the second place party in a short time, give it time the dirty laundry will come. The NDP is just as corrupt as the Conservatives and liberals, the only reason the NDP hasn't been caught is because they were nobody, soon enough the magnifying glass will drop on them and the storm will come. Every little action will be scrutinized and just like the conservatives every little action that is wrong will be exaggerated and amplified.

Its funny how you use being Conservative as if it is an insult. I believe the conservatives are the only party with a realistic approach to keeping Canada's economy afloat, the other parties seem to make promises but I don't know how realistic their plan is when it comes to paying for their promises.

So you believe that the NDP is infallible and parts within the party are not corrupt? I hate to break it to you, but your structure does not matter, history has shown us that certain kinds of people willing to commit crimes do not care about the whole picture.