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@WestCanMan So your whole argument is that maybe Trump and Musk are bluffing?

You are not asking for religious freedom. You are asking to impose the religion of some on the many.

i didn't. These were at the top of my list: The incoming US president is expected to gut support for research on the environment and infectious diseases https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00052-z Donald Trump signed a slew of executive orders that could reshape science at home and abroad. The orders ... are designed to shift policies and priorities on several scientific issues, including climate and public health https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-trumps-executive-orders-mean-for-science/ Trump seems intent on freezing out professional scientists, especially those with strong academic research backgrounds. Instead, he is stocking the leadership of federal agencies with technologists and loyalists https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-trumps-first-days-say-about-science-in-the-new-administration/ And from the Union of Concerned Scientists: we have launched our Save Science, Save Lives campaign to organize the scientific community and supporters of science-based policymaking to speak out against and challenge efforts to destroy data, bury evidence, and keep scientists from doing their jobs. Just this week, we mobilized more than 50,000 scientists and science supporters to urge the 119th Congress to protect science and federal scientists from the incoming administration in order to continue delivering public benefits. https://blog.ucsusa.org/pallavi-phartiyal/the-trump-administration-playbook-likely-to-target-science-and-scientists-were-ready-to-fight-back/ I get none of my information from CNN

You can read. By the way, that is a quote attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte. Legal experts have been weighing in, warning that Trump is spurring on a constitutional crisis. Here's what a few are saying: “There have been so many unconstitutional and illegal actions in the first 18 days of the Trump presidency. We never have seen anything like this,” Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the law school at the University of California, Berkeley, told The New York Times in early February. Kate Shaw, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania, described the administration’s early moves as demonstrating “maximum contempt for core constitutional values” like the separation of powers, the freedom of speech, and equal justice under the law. Pamela Karlan, a law professor at Stanford, said in the Times article that a constitutional crisis occurs when the president “doesn’t care what the Constitution says regardless whether Congress or the courts resist a particular unconstitutional action.” “Up until now,” she continued, “while presidents might engage in particular acts that were unconstitutional, I never had the sense that there was a president for whom the Constitution was essentially meaningless.”

The president of the US has posted to the official White House account that the law does not apply to him. Do you support this position?

The evidence says so.

this is a subjective position of the right that has no meaning to science You mean bend to Trump and Musk? You are talking about capitalism. You can support capitalism and be a liberal This is just blather

I realize the distinction is too subtle for your feeble mind.

The relationship between politics and science is an interesting one. I suppose we can say that all scientists have a particular political ideology. it is well known that scientists donate more to the Democrat party than the Republican party. What does this reveal? Not a dark plot, but rather a recognition that the Democrat party is more progressive, and science by its very nature is progressive, too. It's a natural fit.

If you don't see it, I can't point it out to you. When politics controls science, it does not bode well. You are including some unfounded assumptions here. "Highly subjective study" - an assumption. "arriving at a desired conclusion" - an assumption. So, not worth the breath it took to utter them. Google "Trump's policy guts science' and you will get a long list of evidence You'll see that it means massive cuts to science and medicine https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5468112/ But, it will probably mean increased funding to AI, because Musk wants his xAI company to run the government But this is a myth that Trump and Musk have sold you Lol, maybe we should just stick with photosynthesis.

@CdnFox - you are pointing out a few trees but missing the forest. (And I call your trees into question - "lesbian dance theory" - really, what a way to muddle the issue.) there is chaos going on at many science agencies right now. And it just so happens that the left is progressive and the right reactionary. the right wants to bring us back to the dark ages. The Right does not use science to support its positions. rather, they use narrow-minded ideology.

I read Jack Smith's filings. it wasn't BS. Trump is a corrupt politician.

What do you need, a picture book? Trump is not Hitler because of the particular machinations of government they used to gain dictatorship differ. And of course, there is the matter of the genocide concocted by Hitler. But while Hitler and Trump differ in method, they do not differ in ambition to be the supreme leader. Lol! Hungary Today??? "Yes, I am the best thing for the country. If you don't believe me, just ask me!"

that's your opinion, and I put no stock in it.

Honest you can't distinguish between what I said? Honestly???

I started this thread to comment on the attack on science in the US How does the use of the word "women" indicate waste? That is one of the flagged words. I don't believe he was elected to decimate science. You'll have to back this statement up with evidence. Sorry, I just don't believe that the US voted to lose their worldwide science leadership. To see their place in the scientific world eradicated. I don't think the US voted to destroy science in America.

That's the way it works. that's the way it worked with Hitler, and today with Orban. First, they get democratically elected, and once in power tilt all the levers of power in their favour.

No, Trump is not Hitler. the political circumstances in 1930s Germany were different than they are currently in the US. Trump is a fully homegrown dictator. His arc could only happen in the US.

Then your knowledge base is shallow. the problem with assumptions is that they are often unfounded and lead to weak (or non-existent) arguments. But at least you are consistent.

@WestCanMan You're moving the goal posts. I didn't start this thread to talk about Covid. And I can't see how anything you wrote justifies what is going on with science in the US right now.

But I did, and it is all around us. So, we've come full circle, and that you don't see the water is your delusion.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

There's no corollary between what is happening to scientific research in the US and whatever decisions were made my social media companies a few years ago. You're comparing apples and oranges. Science strangled is science killed. Besides, you should be very happy that big tech has come out firmly on the side of the Right, now.

Democracy is shut down ... nothing to see here, folks No, his words, actions, deeds, are all too real.

the problem with this is that Trump really did the crimes. Is your head really that deep in the sand?