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No, what I want is truth. I was responding to a falsehood from another member.

They in large part power the US economy. These figures are from a few years ago, but are still relevant: The vast majority of illegal immigrants are working and pay into a system they cannot collect from. 1. Agriculture Undocumented workers make up 25% of all farm workers in the US. The majority of these workers are overworked and put in at least 10 hours of work per day in arduous conditions to feed American families. 2. Building, grounds-keeping, and maintenance Undocumented workers make up 19% of maintenance workers. These laborers tend to work on low wages for 12-hr shifts, often 7 days a week. 3. Construction 17% of US construction workers are undocumented Food preparation & serving 12% of workers in this occupation are undocumented 5. Taxes Undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes annually. Households headed by unauthorized immigrants paid $10.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2010. This includes $1.2 billion in personal income taxes, $1.2 billion in property taxes, and more than $8 billion in sales and excise taxes. Immigrants—even legal immigrants—are barred from most social services, meaning that they pay to support benefits they cannot even receive. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy

This reminds me of "If you don't believe me, just ask me."

Yeah, you still don't get it. You're missing the forest for the trees. Trump has created an enemy for you. He has made you believe that illegal immigrants are a threat to the nation. But they aren't. The real threat to the nation is Trump, as he attacks the rule of law, and your systems and institutions, in order to gain more power for himself. And as he dismantles your democracy, he keeps you occupied, screaming, "But the immigrants!" No, it was the words from the Act. of another nation or government

That is a wartime act that can only be used in times of war with other nations or governments It has only ever been used in the War of 1812, WW1 and WW2 From the act: That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, Your understanding is faulty

What Trump did was stage a massive spectacle for the viewing pleasure of his base. It's too bad that adherence to the law was lost as collateral damage. I am supporting the rule of law. A true patriot would respect the rule of law.

It's amazing what can be done in the name of "protecting the country." So, you do accept a dictator as president.

The judge ordered the plane turned around. Trump openly defied the order, thus breaking the law. There is something called "checks and balances". The judicial branch is a check on power grabs by the president. The president was acting outside of his powers when he deported all those people for no other reason than his say-so that "they are bad people." A president should not have that power. It is dictatorial. If the deportees had been given due process, we would have found out that some were not gang members at all. When the president overpowers the law, that is dictatorial.

Well, if Trump said it, it must be true. /s So, you accept him breaking the law? You accept him ignoring a judge's order? You gladly give him dictatorial powers? These deportees were not given due process. You can be sure some of them were not gang members at all.

And when the federal judge ruled that Trump couldn't use that law for deportation, this is how Trump responded in a post on Truth Social: This Radical Left Lunatic of a Judge, a troublemaker and agitator who was sadly appointed by Barack Hussein Obama, was not elected President - He didn’t WIN the popular VOTE (by a lot!), he didn’t WIN ALL SEVEN SWING STATES, he didn’t WIN 2,750 to 525 Counties, HE DIDN’T WIN ANYTHING! I WON FOR MANY REASONS, IN AN OVERWHELMING MANDATE, BUT FIGHTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION MAY HAVE BEEN THE NUMBER ONE REASON FOR THIS HISTORIC VICTORY. I’m just doing what the VOTERS wanted me to do. This judge, like many of the Crooked Judges’ I am forced to appear before, should be IMPEACHED!!! WE DON’T WANT VICIOUS, VIOLENT, AND DEMENTED CRIMINALS, MANY OF THEM DERANGED MURDERERS, IN OUR COUNTRY. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!! It's so clear that Trump has gone mad with power. Trump's response drew a rare rebuke from the Supreme Court Chief Justice: In response to media requests for comment about Trump’s online remarks, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. issued a rare public statement. “For more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision,” he wrote. “The normal appellate review process exists for that purpose.”

For a while there, I thought I would vote for Poilievre. We needed some sanity following Trudeau. But then I heard Poilievre railing against the "Woke." Imported cultural war. It stuck me as a manipulative action, just like Trump uses "the Woke" to manipulate his base. Creating an enemy where none exists. I don't want an elected leader to manipulate me into outrage. Just govern with wisdom and fairness. I like what I see with Carney.

You need to understand that whatever Trump says about why he wants tariffs is all lies. Fentanyl is not pouring over the border from Canada, Canada has never treated the USA badly, trade is fair between our two nations. But he's got it in his head that his legacy will be golden if he annexes Canada. He's quite serious about it and will cause untold economic pain in this country to achieve his nefarious goal. He's gone mad with power. And yes, he has totally hoodwinked his supporters. In Trump's mind, tariffs represent income for the federal government. But where do you think this income is going to come from? From the American working class, despite Trump's false claims that it will be paid by foreigners. This is Trump's strategy: "Tax my voters, enrich my donors."

You've bought Trump's delusion, hook, line and sinker.

Trump hasn't got a chance in hell of voiding the pardons. But they give him something outrageous to say. That's what he is about, saying outrageous things to distract from the most pressing concerns about him. He is throwing this out there as a distraction from his failed economic policy. Get everyone talking about this so they forget what an abysmal failure he has been on what he promised the American people.

A very interesting conversation. thank you for sharing. One thing stuck out to me - Diversifying our market Time to sell our stuff - especially energy - elsewhere. China?

Umm ... the devil is not real.

Nuh-uh. I don't feel holy. And I sure as hell ain't priggish. No fear, loathing or resentment furrows my brow. In the words of Bob and Doug McKenzie, "Take off, eh."

He is full of shit.

Oh, so you have bought into the Trump delusion, too...

omg, lol, you think this is what it is really about. Oh you simple, simple, mind....

You have provided no counterpoints to anything I said but you have shown that you belong to the category who does not know what they do not know. You need to broaden your knowledge base to look at Trump's presidency in the context of history and human societies and then you might get a clue. I made no accusations. I made valid observations. But there is none so blind as those who will not see. Better minds than yours see the parallels between Hitler's rise and Trump's capture of his base. And now he is going after the DoJ to make it his weapon. My word was apt. We live in perilous times.

I clearly explained the parallel, which apparently went over your head. Read it again. I'll add to that - Hitler and Trump both have the same megalomanic leadership style - both have a messianic complex - they manipulate their base with lies that the entire country is "broken" and at risk of. being overrun with "vermin" and in the words of both Hitler and Trump "I alone can fix it." When Trump says "He who saves his Country violates no law." he is echoing Hitler. The "Führerprinzip" (Leader Principle) was the basis of executive authority in Nazi Germany, emphasizing a single, supreme leader (the Führer) whose word was law, with all subordinates expected to obey unquestioningly. Trump sees himself in the same way Hitler did - as "the genius, the man" who alone held the key to the country's destiny.

You know that famous quote of Wayne Gretzky? Don't focus on where the puck has been, but where it is going? So, where is Trump going? Clearly, he is not Hitler. Hitler is Hitler and Trump is Trump. But there are definite parallels in how they attained power, which we ignore at our peril. A society is built on stories. Some stories (like the US Constitution) are originated for the good. Other stories, like the stories perpetuated by the leaders of Nazi Germany, Stalinism, and Trumpism, are for the bad. They are false and harmful stories that lead to mass delusion, in a climate of hatred and fear. Trumpism, Nazism, Stalinism - all held together with deluded ideas founded on lies and cruelty

That's not how the founding fathers saw it. Thomas Jefferson, in his letter to the Danbury Baptists reiterates that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.. Separation of Church & State History The US Constitution derives its power "from the people" - not from God. God is never mentioned in it. I'll add to that the many Magat "Christians" are doing nothing but pissing on Christ.

My money is on the whole Trumpism fiasco to implode in three ... two ... one ...