Matthew

Wow, ok you can't be serious. imagine the population had 200 million adults. If there were 100 million men, 60% of them would be 60 million men. At the same time, 30% of 100 million women would be 30 million women.

Maybe, maybe not. What also doesn't work is your way of separating it two super partisan issues. It's been 50 years since any amendment passed, and it was very simple non-controversial one. The last amendment that was an actual big deal was the 22nd that put term limits on the presidency and that was 74 years ago.

Some weird shit with the CDC today. Major bird flu outbreak and 2 other significant global disease outbreaks being managed and team trump decides out of the blue that no CDC coordination with other international health organizations is allowed. Isolationism taken to a irresponsible extreme.

Lol what tf would even be the point of that? Obviously these right wing boobs are going to really want the ending birthright citizenship amendment. And obviously the normal people here are going to want a popular vote amendment. Only together do we get to witness firsthand the sad reality of why we can't have nice things.

How old does one have to be in 2025 to think that agricultural workers are slaves?

The whole point is that in order to get 3/4 of states to ratify an amendment, it must be very widely appealing. Would democrats sacrifice birthright citizenship? Would republicans sacrifice the electoral college? The answer is obviously no. But if birthright citizenship were REALLY so bad they could tolerate having an actual democratic vote for president in exchange for it like every other developed country. And if the voting system for president was REALLY so bad we could have a normal immigration system in exchange for it like every other developed country.

You did not. You claimed that the number of men and women in the country disprove a percentage. 🙄 You've provided zero stats and zero relevant facts and you ignore any provided to you and instead you seem to rely on impotent shit-talk to cover for your ignorance. Ive tried to give you a chance man but you're such a low quality contributor here. What? You're talking out of your ass and debating nothing, with no point, for no reason. I'm sorry your dad hit you so much.

Getting rid of these two things vs what I'm proposing replace them?

Ah I see you couldn't do it. Sad.

The "63% of men being single" stat originated from that source, as did most others I mentioned. But Pew has done several studies of this topic so if you're questioning a specific figure just ask. Nope you said "Most single moms these days are very active socially with other moms." Go ahead and quote me. I'll wait. You spend so much time inaccurately imagining what you think others are saying rather than just taking your time and being precise. Sure I've shown that most men are single, that most stay at home parents feel isolated, etc etc. The studies I posted are troves of relevant data. Now you've helped too by showing that most single mothers do less housework than married mothers. Good job! No need to feel bad about being so wrong, there is nothing actually to debate here. I am happily married for 25 years. You?

Obvious troll.

I'm not sure this is true. Right wing politics is far more interested and animated by immigration than left wing politics is about realizing democracy (unfortunately).

You're not going to get what you want without an amendment and 3/4 of the states are not going to agree to end birthright citizenship unless they get something they want. But it is interesting to see where the right wing priorities lie. All three of you overtly place your anti- democracy stance above your anti- immigrant stance.

So you're just fully out of the closet now I see.

What do you think?

Well I challenge you to quote anything from that post of yours that was relevant to the topic, specific, and not just a repeat of claims already said.

The stats Ive mentioned so far mostly come from Pew Research surveys such as this one. That's a nice article. Doesn't support your claim that most stay at home parents are well connected. But about half of it shows that women who are married do far more housework than single moms who aren't married-- which also helps explain why men are struggling to find relationships. Since you've failed to find anything let me help you out: - Parenting’s new crisis: the loneliness epidemic - Majority of parents experience isolation, loneliness and burnout, survey reveals - Behind closed doors: The isolation of stay-at-home moms I said that if society's population crisis became dire in the next century, a system of more extreme incentives might be necessary. Its obviously speculation. Either you want to have a good faith discussion about that point or you want to "debate" it pointlessly. No no no, i want you to explain how the population of men vs women disproves the Pew Research statistc that 63% of men are single. I've got my popcorn ready and everything.

No, my point is that the "we need them to spend more" goal has to be balanced with the "we need to lead the alliance and keep it solid" goal.

Seems like both "sides" here are being overly simplistic. - The US leads history's largest military alliance. That alliance needs to maintain readiness. All presidents since Bush II have made this a major NATO issue. It's a fine for Trump to manipulate allies to do this. - Our alliance needs to maintain trust in our shared promises. All the readiness in the world is pointless if the actual bonds of agreement are made weaker. Democrats are correct to condemn Trumps actions that cast doubt upon our alliance or which act with hostiliy towards them, or which provide support to enemies.

I'm impressed you got a far as you did. 😄

Lets see your data on that. Im a leftist and most of the people i know are. I've never heard anyone in real life suggest any such thing. F*ck if I know. And I don't know why your straining to make a debate out of it. Ha wait, I'm really curious how you think this fact relates to 63% of men being single. I actually hinted at that stat--about twice as many single women are only looking for a long term relationship compared to men. Oh that's adorable. In my list of various statistics you randomly combined two of them and now you're trying to debate the imaginary connection. That's possible. Your debate about attration is in your own mind and not something I ever said. But again 63% of men are single and only about 30% of women so however you slice it men are failing to find relationships. Except for college educated guys--they tend to do a lot better at the moment . But there are a lot more educated women than men these days so that's a big part of the mismatch. Meh. I'm just making simple factual observations and discussing open-ended opinions about the future. Meanwhile you're being pathetic and trying to conjure a mean-spirited debates out of simple facts we agree upon.

Good question. Gradually going down is fine. Maybe less geopolitical clout but overall less people world mean less strain on ecosystems etc. The problem, which Korea and Japan are approaching is when your population declines so fast that eventually most of the people are elderly. So a small percentage of people working combined with a large percentage of people who need the the most intense care.

It was all non-sequetur and irrelevant.

Of course they could. You're really on a roll here in saying absolutely nothing in this thread. If this is what you've got, just go to bed man.

This is very well documented. Stay at home parents have significantly higher mental health problems stemming from greater social isolation. I've also witnessed the challenges first hand . My wife and other family members are stay at home moms and she prefers it to working but it does take a unique pschological toll. I've never seen this. Perhaps, if the population shortfall became a big enough problem for society, then a system for compensating some women for their child rearing would be preferable to the costs of having 40-50% of citizens be over the age of 65 with a small minority of workers supporting them. I didn't suggest they werent. But right now most men in the country are single and most women aren't. 63% of men say they are single compared to 34% of women. The number of married people is falling. The number of people having sex is at a 30 year low. 57% of single adults aren't even looking for a relationship or dates. Of those who are, only 25% of men are looking only for a committed relationship compared to 41% of women. The reason I would primarily point towards men being bottle neck in this system is that they are the ones putting forth less effort according to people who study these things. 80-90% of them are using porn regularly which is low effort dopamine reward compared to the time, energy, and skills needed to maintain a relationship.