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Trump Admin Narrative On Epstein Falls Apart
Hodad replied to robosmith's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
Sure, do everything you can to deflect from Trump's complicity. I'm sure pointing at Obama is the latest meme in your echo chamber.🙄 Lame. Meanwhile what actually happened... Acosta negotiated a Non-Prosecution Agreement with Epstein in 2007, before Obama ever took office, effectively giving him immunity. That was a shield against federal prosecution for Epstein and his accomplices. At that point, federal hands were tied. Bondi could have prosecuted additional at the state level, but did nothing. It wasn't until 2019 that an AG in NY successfully made the case that the NPA, as written, wouldn't shield Epstein from prosecution in districts outside of Florida. Why, you ask, did it take until 2019? Because the original case was sealed. Epstein's heinous crimes were whitewashed by Acosta, reduced to a fairly banal "soliciting a minor" charge, then sealed. So, for anyone not on the inside of that case, it was a small potatoes local case. Nobody was looking for more. Not until 2018, when the Miami Herald surfaced the story again. People were outraged. That's when it caught the nation's attention and the SDNY started testing the limits of the NPA. Here's a timeline, if you're not familiar. ‘No idea. I had no idea’ In the years after that call, Trump repeatedly said he had no knowledge of Epstein’s sex crimes. He has also claimed that he kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago after he found out the financier was poaching spa club employees. In July 2019, when asked by reporters in the Oval Office if he had any suspicions about Epstein “molesting … underaged women”, Trump responded: “No, I had no idea. I had no idea. I haven’t spoken to him in many, many years.” Trump has also been less forthcoming about his feelings toward Maxwell in the years since. When asked in October 2020 how he felt about her when she was facing federal charges of helping Epstein recruit, groom and sexually abuse young girls, Trump said, “I just wish her well, frankly.” Trump Whitehouse Archives: Q Two questions, please. With regard to Jeffrey Epstein, did you have any suspicions that he was molesting young women, underaged women? THE PRESIDENT: No, I had no idea. I had no idea. I haven’t spoken to him in many, many years. But I had — I didn’t have no idea. -
Trump Admin Narrative On Epstein Falls Apart
Hodad replied to robosmith's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
A top notch batch of knob-gobbling on your part, but it's not reflective of reality. There's a Tale of Two Trumps. 1. Trump did NOT turn Epstein in. He, allegedly, corroborated the abuse narrative to Palm Beach police after Epstein had already been arrested and after police were reaching out to Epstein's inner circle. 2. According to retired Palm Beach police chief Reiter, Trump said in 2006 “Thank goodness you’re stopping him, everyone has known he’s been doing this.” In other words, Trump (and the rest of "everybody) had that knowledge but chose to sit on it and let Epstein rape girls rather than contacting police and shutting him down. 3. Despite that 2006 conversation, in 2019 Trump claimed to have not known or have suspected his buddy's misdeeds. And of Maxwell, he said that he had met her many times and wished her well, "whatever it is." 4. Epstein should have been rotting in prison for two decades already, but in a truly inexplicable sweetheart deal, he was--sort of--imprisoned for 13 months. He had work release to his own offices 12 hours a day, six days a week. 5. The man who gave him that inexplicable, unbelievable deal? Alex Acosta, who Trump elevated to Secretary of Labor. 6. Trump's current AD, Bondi, was Florid AG for 8 years, and ignored victims please to bring new charges against Epstein, and has continued to ignore victims and slow-roll information that she claimed to have "on her desk" long ago. You want to paint Trump as some kind of do-gooder here, but he didn't do anything until after it was policially and socially advantageous to throw Epstein under the bus. Who knows how many rapes he could have prevented if he had actually turned in Epstein when he learned what Epstein was doing. But he chose not to. Trump, Epstein, Acosta and Bondi are all part of the same fetid Florida swamp. -
Not remotely desperate. Pointing out, once again, how goddamn stupid it is to argue, as you do, that objection to the means by which objectives are pursued is tantamount to encouraging or supporting undesirable outcomes. It's fallacious. It's super dumb. it's not fooling anyone. Stop doing it. And I assumed we were well past your asinine claim that Omar "threatened" the POTUS. You don't have a logical argument to make, or a rebuttal to logical arguments--or to dictionary definitions of the words that you are attempting to pervert. You are simply repeating yourself over and over again, as if that were somehow compelling.
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Do you think that we should chop the hands off of shoplifters? No? Why are you defending criminals? Why do you hate America? 🙄 This argument you keep making seems too dumb for functional adults to believe. I'd like to think it's just a specious argument, but so many of you keep making it--even after being called out--that I'm starting to believe you think it's serious.
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A. It has NOT been shown that the orders were legal. It's been claimed by the people giving the orders, but most legal experts disagree. And this is doubly true of the "double tap" strike, which isn't even legal within the absurd framework of a fictional "war." B. The service member who pulled the trigger on the double tap should have refused that order. Even if you grant the ridiculous premise that we are at "war" with our drug dealers, and call the victims enemy combatants, it is unquestionably illegal to murder shipwrecked sailors. C. Whether Congress can get it together to stop them is another matter. As is the question of whether there is any legal body to hold the perpetrators accountable. But remember, there is no statute of limitations on murder. There is no statute of limitations on war crimes. I would love to see Hegseth do his fake tough guy routine in gen pop.
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I've answered you multiple times. You simply prefer the far-fetched version pulled straight out of Trump's ass. No service member should ever feel compelled to follow illegal orders. They should not feel compelled to become war criminals just because the orders were given. And it's important for people in a position of power to stand up and remind them that they are not alone if they refuse--that they are not standing alone against the system, but rather standing with the constitution, with the people and alongside leaders who will support such acts of conscience.
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Your enthusiasm for murder and war crimes aside, this is a dead issue. You can stamp your little feet all you like, there will not be any consequence for that video. That protected, ESSENTIAL, speech is the purest exercise of the first amendment. With Trump in office, we should be reminding the military every damn day to follow their oaths instead of illegal orders.
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The "purpose" of what they did is to remind the military that their duty is to the country, rather than being the fat orange bastard's personal army. And it was an important reminder because for the first time in our history we have person in office so selfish, corrupt and addicted to power that he would have no hesitation turning the military on the American people. In which case the military SHOULD turn against him. And it simply is not a crime to remind service people of where their loyalties must lie.
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You and the rest of the Thought Police are utterly full of crap. They did nothing even remotely illegal. That's not even in question. That's why the indictments were DOA. And yes, we all know the grand jury is not a trial, but a grand jury is certainly part of the court. Congress.gov "As an arm of the U.S. District Court which summons it, upon whose process it relies, and which will receive any indictments it returns, the grand jury's subject matter and geographical jurisdiction is that of the court to which it is attached." This is still America where we have free speech (despite Trump's aggressive efforts to end it) and where service members DO NOT have to follow illegal orders. And anyone anywhere.
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Oh, good. The wrongbot has reverted to his default programming: COVID misinformation. It's a thoroughly established fact that the Russians instead to help Trump win. That was the intelligence consensus. That was the conclusion of the Mueller Report. That was the conclusion of the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee report. That was the conclusion of subsequent intelligence reviews. Literally every analysis of the interference came to the conclusion that Putin directed a pro-Trump interference campaign. Putin himself said that he wanted Trump to win. Everyone in the world knows this except you, meatless deep in your conspiracy bubble, trying to "both sides" it. Yes, they did sow some general discord, but the mission was clear: smear Clinton and get Trump elected. Hard to get conservatives to regurgitate disinformation? That's peak irony. That's literally all you do. And it's not the least but difficult. Just leave a blank space and you'll inevitably fill it with the same debunked nonsense you copy and paste in every thread
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Can you please stick to one lie at a time. You conspiracy nutballs build your whole phony reality and actually believe this shit that is pure gibberish to the sane world outside your bubble. How about point one? The FBI had nothing to do with the Steele dossier. Their investigation started before they ever got ahold of the dossier and their warrants did not depend on the dossier. They started crossfire hurricane because Trump's team WAS meeting with Russian intelligence. And indeed, it was ultimately revealed that they were feeding Russian intelligence campaign information. Even the goddamn Durham report acknowledged that investigation was warranted.
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Ah, there were go. You don't care at all whether the accusations are true, as long as they "trash" Obama's legacy. Sorry to disappoint you, but nobody gives a single shit about this nonsense. Anybody who is informed can see right through it, and the people who hated that a Black man was president still hate him. This nonsense isn't even a footnote in history. The Trump administration has no credibility whatsoever.
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If you had read the link you posted above: Intelligence reports also consistently stated that Russia’s primary effort was focused on influence operations — shaping American public opinion through disinformation, fake social media accounts, and leaked Democratic emails, rather than changing the actual results. A Republican-led Senate report also endorsed the assessment that Moscow’s efforts were aimed at damaging Hillary Clinton and benefiting Donald Trump. Among the Republicans on that committee was Florida Senator Marco Rubio, who now serves as US Secretary of State in the Trump administration.
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I'm aware of what Gabbard claimed. The problem is that she has nothing to back it up. Whether she actually thinks it or not it's a different question. Trump has surrounded himself with unqualified and compromised loyalists, who will do whatever he asks. The DOJ is bringing cases with no chance of success because Trump ordered it--and they know they have no chance of success. (Lawyers of conscience are quitting left and right rather then bringing bogus cases.) The FCC is targeting networks and stars because Trump ordered it. Gabbard is making unsubstantiated claims because Trump ordered it. None of this is normal or healthy. People of conscience loyal to the Constitution and the people of the United States are increasingly rare in Washington.
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Again, you are talking about fiction. The intelligence community did not change their assessment. They concluded that there was not a significant Russian cyber attack on US voting infrastructure. That conclusion remains unchanged. Secondarily, they concluded that Russian intelligence did wage an influence campaign to help Trump win the election. And that too remains unchanged, and has been thoroughly proved. Two separate questions. Two unchanged findings. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Freedom of speech 100% absolutely and unequivocally covers speaking the written laws of this land. And our legislators enjoy speech privileges on top of that. Fascists cannot tolerate free speech, because it allows room for dissent or speech that "causes trouble." Free speech is a threat to authoritarianism and the subjugation of the individual in service to the state. I get why you guys don't like it, but that's what it's there for. There's a reason it was laughed out of court. A case has to be comically, unbelievably, abysmally bad to fail a grand jury test. Almost NONE of them fail. This one is just that bad. Suck it up. There are a lot of fascist irons in the fire, but this one is dead. We're still the USA, for now.
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Your naked link does not support your claim. In fact, it debunks your claim. Crossifre Hurricane began before Obama was briefed. Intelligence reports were NOT ignored. What you people keep trying to pass off as a reversal is anything but. The intelligence reports established that Russia did not manipulate electronic voting equipment. Great. That was never the claim. The claim was that they manipulated US voters through their pro-Trump disinformation campaign on social media. Which has been thoroughly confirmed. If you have a more specific accusation, you're welcome to make it. But these vague fictional claims you're dropping sound like someone who doesn't know anything about the subject.
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A "K" shaped economy fueled by record debt and an AI boom/bubble. I wonder where this will lead?
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No, insane is threatening to try and execute US Senators for pointing out the facts of the UCMJ. A power-mad fascist move that was shut down by the grand jury. It's almost impossible to not get a grand jury indictment, but Trump's case was too ridiculous to clear even that unbelievably low bar. The problem is that he tried.
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That's farking ludicrous. Absolutely insane. Not only was it not "abhorrent," it's downright tame when the POTUS is explicitly posting about hanging senators for telling the truth about law. The Snowflake-in-Chief can dish out extremism, but is "intimidated" by a snarky mention of Somali law? And you little fascists fall right in line to curb any kind of critical speech with half-baked legal that's and hyperbole. The idea that a congressperson should be executed in America for speech about pedophiles being executed in Somalia is about the least American thing imaginable.
