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Gas prices are too high! Biden sucks for using the strategic reserve to lower gas prices! Biden sucks for going "cap in hand" to convince other producers to increase supply and lower gas prices! Gas prices are too high and that's all that matters! Meanwhile, domestic production has increased under Biden at nearly the same rate it increased under Trump. Biden probably sucks for that too.? Like I said, I don't think you folks are even remotely interested in reality, as long as you can say Biden sucks, that's good enough. Which, you know, fine for politicians trying to make hay, but pretty shitty for a discussion forum.

No, it does NOT show what you said. Jeebus. You keep talking about how production "took a dump" but the (relative) crash in production WAS NOT under Biden. It was under Trump. There was some extreme monthly volatility during the pandemic under both presidents, but the fundamentals have only grown post 2021. I guarantee you that exactly zero sites stopped producing oil for a month because Biden did or didn't make some remark about fracking. That's simply NOT how business works. It's absurd. And this characterization of going to other nations "cap in hand" is absurd. Biden tried to get them to increase production, as the US was doing, to help ease prices . Did Trump go to OPEC "cap in hand" to get them to decrease production--another change in production we desperately needed to support higher prices? Or is that childish characterization reserved for one party?

At this point I'm convinced you're just trolling me. When you look at the damn graph, you don't see the skyrocketing production starting 2009-ish? Domestic oil production fell for over 30 years, but under the Obama administration it started booming. That boom continued for most of Trump's term and then crashed for reasons discussed. There was no crash during Biden's term, it has grown dramatically. Just open your eyes and look at the graph. ANY graph. This is one I have shared and Legato shared. This one is current through last week. Jan 2009 5,114 mil barrels Jan 2017 8,875 - Obama ended his terms with 3,761 mil barrels added, avg 470 per year Jan 2021 11,124 - Trump ended his term with 2,249 mil barrels added, avg 562 per year Jan 2023 12.2 - Biden is halfway through his first term with 1.1 mil barrels added, avg 550 per year ^^All of this following over three decades of falling production. These are HUGE numbers. Aside from the same pandemic volatility Trump experienced, production DID NOT "take a dump" under Biden. It "took a dump" under Trump and has been rebuilt under Biden. Biden took office Jan 2021, FYI. I swear, you people will say absolutely anything if it feels convenient. Biden destroyed energy independence! (Nope, oil production increased dramatically under Biden, and we were a net exporter of energy in both 2021 and 2022.) Production "took a dump" under Biden! (Nope, oil production took a dump at the end of the Trump administration and has increased dramatically under Biden.) Biden caused high gas prices! (Nope, Biden has almost no influence on a global market and the only thing he can somewhat influence, domestic production, increased dramatically.) You and @Nationalist say that Biden caused all of these bad things to happen, and it's plain as day that A. the bad things DIDN'T actually happen and B. clearly the things that didn't happen weren't caused by Biden. It is appalling to me that you call facts "progressive bafflegab." Really? If you think that actual facts are nonsense, what does that make your lies? The only thing you guys have right is that most people are too goddamn stupid to understand that gas prices are the product of a global marketplace. You have that right. I can't tell at this point whether that group includes you, or whether you can see the facts, but instead of helping others learn you'll tell them politically convenient lies and exploit their ignorance. Either way, not good.

Okay, well enjoy nursing your grievances, both real and imagined. I hope you find a political party that suits your interests and also has enough influence to make change in the world. Keep us updated.

Yes, you've made it abundantly clear that you don't care about the facts of oil production. You don't care why the prices were up. And when that information is provided you actively ignore it. You're just pretty sure that whatever was going on is definitely Biden's fault because Biden baaaaaaad. Now, how a functional adult can be satisfied with this kind of willful ignorance is an open question and something I will never understand. I always want to know.

Nobody planned to kill children. Bombing is not an invasion. Voting for war and voting to empower the president to take military action are not the same thing. Do words just not matter to you? Mearsheimer is providing a heterodox analysis of events, so yes, most people will think he is wrong. Specifically, as has been discussed here ad nauseum, he (and others with this perspective) must take as a foundational premise the notion that sovereign states near Russia are not actually sovereign, they have no self governance and are indeed vassal states. That's crap. Pure crap. It's embracing the bully's veto. Of course Ukraine wanted to join a defensive alliance to protect itself from an aggressive Russia. And of course that annoyed Russia, because Putin is a classic bully. But Ukraine trying to form alliances to prevent Russian invasion is NOT a legitimate provocation for Russian invasion. It's like a domestic violence victim getting hit because they ask for protection from being hit. -- Mearsheimer would would say that's provocation and it's the victim's fault. It's crap. And yes, it is logical to choose the better of two options. If that bullet list represents your areas of interest though, it's not even a close contest. You don't like civilian casualties from drone strikes? Great, no one does. The Obama administration used drone strikes and reported civilian casualties. You don't like that. Fine. Trump tripled the rate of drone strikes and adopted an official policy of NOT reporting casualties. You don't like that the Obama administration, as part of an international coalition, provided air support for the rebels in Libya. Well, okay, I guess. But is that really a contrast to the multiple decades in multiple wars from the Bush admin? And on and on. It's fine if you don't like those things--most people are in agreement that things that go wrong/badly are undesirable. A mote is not a plank, and if I have to choose one, I'm picking the mote every time.

When I said "See above" I was referring to the post directly above my reply to you. I'll quote it again here, but this info has been shared multiple times on the forum. You and @Nationalist are factually incorrect in a huge way. How can you possibly claim that oil companies produced less oil? How are we having this conversation while you are looking at charts and data that make these facts plain. Biden (or any POTUS) tapped the reserve in an attempt to ease the pain of domestic gas prices because he can't wave a wand and change a global market prices, but he can release SPR directly to our refineries. And it did ease prices. You are *sort of* correct that Biden inherited accelerating oil production. So did Trump. Domestic oil production has been on a tear since the early Obama administration--and guess what, none of those presidents had much to do with it. But despite a macro trend for accelerating production, the industry was hugely disrupted by the pandemic (and then later by the war in Russia). So on a macro chart it looks like Biden inherited accelerating production. But if you zoom in a bit on that macro chart you can see that production took a huge hit in the pandemic. The market was so chaotic that Trump and other major producers struck a deal to dramatically cut production. Do you guys not remember what was happening in 2020 when oil was basically worthless? Producers were actually paying firms to store oil that they didn't want to sell at huge losses? It was so unprofitable to produce oil that companies were going out of business left and right and sites were being mothballed to avoid running at a loss. Any of this familiar? The market demanded dramatic cuts in production, but Trump's deal also helped to control the crash for a softer landing. Global production was very low. But as the pandemic eased (under Biden) demand came back faster than production. Production is not a switch that can be flipped. Those failed producers don't just come back to life and the surviving producers don't invest in re-starting paused sites until the have some confidence in sustained demand. Production must be nurtured and coaxed back with high prices--which we all paid. Outside of special circumstances, presidents just aren't that relevant, despite what the fools putting stickers on gas pumps imagine. I don't intend for anyone to give credit to Biden for robust domestic production, but he also didn't prevent it. The same is true of the high prices. I just want to inject some reality. You can't rationally say he that Biden's long-term stance on energy drove up prices while domestic production is soaring. You can't rationally claim that he destroyed our energy independence when we are producing at near-record levels. Those are nonsense claims contradicted by real world facts.

Oh really? Surely you can quote that then? Or, you're still lying. I'll hold breath for that quote.?

Okay, now you're just lying. Plain old lying. WWJD? Probably not lying. You see? I didn't say that Christians are bad. I said your message wasn't very Christian. Which is exactly what AOC did. So go peddle your faux outrage elsewhere. If you have to embarrass yourself with outright fabrications it's a clue that it's probably not an issue worth raising.

No, unsurprisingly, you've gotten that backward. What she said is that fascism is un-Christian. And I'll take that reply as a "yes" to the fact that you made up any call to prohibit such commercials. Never happened.

Hey, here's a question. Did anyone AOC or otherwise say that those commercials shouldn't be made or played? Or did you make that up entirely to have something to complain about?

You are a loon if you think commenting on a Superbowl ad violates any amendment whatsoever, let alone the 14th. That's a totally bizarre idea.

Lol. You're getting closer to an actual argument and evidence. It is amazing that you think Biden is such an all-powerful commander of the global marketplace! How about a rational argument? By what mechanism do you propose that Biden increased prices? Did he reduce supply? (Nope, that supply went up dramatically.) Did he establish new gas taxes? (Nope.) Did he nationalize the industry and establish price controls to raise the price? (Nope.) Again, how exactly are you proposing that he raised gas prices domestically, or indeed, around the world?

Sure. You're misusing the word "murder" in multiple places. You'd want killing or casualty or something less deliberate. Our legislative branch- Hillary Clinton included -did not vote for war, but for the AUMF. Which itself turned out to be a mistake, but the distinction is factual and substantive. The US didn't invade Libya. The prospect of NATO expansion is not the cause of the war in Ukraine, that's a long-simmering pot. I didn't think it was important to point them out, because the question remains the same. You made a list of things you don't like, and whether you're accurate or not, the GOP is by far the greater offender on every point. It's not even close. So, if not the Democrats, who are you going to support? Clearly you wouldn't want the Republicans in office instead or you'll get even MORE of the things you don't like. So...

Much of that list is factually inaccurate, but setting that aside, who would you support instead? We are still, in every practical sense, a two party system and the GOP is the far larger offender on any of the points that you mention. If you think those things are "evil" the Democrats are clearly the lesser of the two evils.

Yes, it is way up. See above. I don't think you understand what it means to be energy independent. Essentially, it means that we produce enough energy to meet our needs. But it does not mean that we are *literally* independent of the global marketplace. Post pandemic, US production ramped back up faster than global production. Prices are dictated by the global market, not solely by US production. So when prices were high and ignorant fools were running around putting Biden stickers on gas pumps, Biden himself was actually trying to solve the problem by convincing other major producers to get their shit back together and ramp production back up. I'm not sure why you characterize that as some kind of subservience. Every president has engaged with the cartel to try to influence production and pricing on a global scale. The US produces a LOT of oil, but even at record high capacity we're not even close to being able to substantially lower the price of a global commodity. You can't move the needle unless you engage the other major players. That's just reality.

Nope. And you're not fooling anyone who has read this thread. Your unsubstantiated claims are not facts. Your feelings and hunches are not facts. If you don't know what facts are, try looking at the energy production data, oil sites in operation, volume produced etc. The most oil the US has EVER produced is 13.1 million barrels per day, in March 2020. In the volatility of the pandemic, production hit a contextual low of 9.7 million barrels in August 2020 and again in Feb 2021, a month after Biden was sworn in. Last week it was at 12.3 million barrels--historically, a huge number--near a record high, and up more than 20% from those lows. Interactive charts. ^ Those, are facts. Those are the sorts of things you'd want to use to support your claims--if indeed you could locate any evidence that actually does support your claims. But you just keep talking out of your ass.

Well, one *could* express oneself with facts, logic and evidence to support an argument. Or, one could keep posting nonsense and petty insults to remind the readers of this forum that one is an empty-headed parrot. Seems you've made your choice though. Offer stands to pick up actual discussion of the subject if you can grow a backbone and mount an argument.

Indeed, you are. But at any point you're welcome to *try* to prove otherwise with evidence to support your nonsensical proclamations. Biden has battered the oil industry so hard that production is up 20ish percent. Oh, noes! That dramatic increase in production has destroyed our energy independence! ?

The price of fuel is up. So is domestic production--way up. How can both things be true?!? I'm just spitballing--stay with me here-- I wonder if oil is a global commodity with a global market and Biden can't control it with a stern look? Seriously, the reality of the situation has nothing to do with conservative or liberal. It's just basic economics--hell, even basic facts. You say Biden has destroyed US energy independence and driven up prices, but the dramatic increase in domestic production and near-record output are facts that utterly destroy your premise. Yet, instead of ingesting the information you continue, like a child, to simply repeat the narrative your crap news has fed you. It's ridiculous.

Gee, another completely fact-free, evidence-free post. You can work a keyboard to type all this nonsense, but you can't manage to cite any evidence of your claims? Let's try an easy one: Is domestic energy production up or down under Biden? Up or down? See, this is the problem with just parroting the bullshit you hear in your echo chamber. Eventually sometime calls you on it and you just end up looking like a blathering fool. If facts and evidence are too difficult to manage we can get you a seat at the kids table. Might be more your speed.

Lol. No, you didn't. You gave me your feelings and hunches. You have no farking clue what the state is if domestic oil production. Someone in the media told you that mean old Mr. Biden wrecked it, and that was good enough for your to swallow hook, line and sinker. You can't cite a damn thing, because you're just talking out of your ass, like all of the other Faux News bobbleheads. Again, it's a fact that domestic oil production is up dramatically since Biden took office. It's a fact that it's at near-record levels. You want to blame him for prices, better figure out a magic reason, because domestic supply ain't it.

I don't think it's an open question at all. Black people, particularly men, fear the police, because this shit keeps happening. I know successful Black men in fine suits and cars who will readily tell you they still get that primal fear in the pit of their stomachs whenever they have to interact with the police. Fight or flight is real Black parents have to have "the talk" with their children about how to interact police to avoid getting killed. These are simply not things white folks have to think about. That's privilege.

I'll take that as a "yes" that you can't manage facts, figures and evidence, because your "senses" are not facts. Nor are they evidence. And I think you very much let the media lead you astray. That's honestly the only way you could come up with some of this nonsense, as the actual data thoroughly contradicts it. Good luck with your senses though! Happy to revisit if you figure out how to talk data instead of your feelings.

Me: Answered you directly You: You refuse to answer my question! ?