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Project 2025 is a mean-spirited, ignorant recipe for destruction. Of course Democrats voted against it's author. That has zero to do with "persecuting" Christians. Most of those voting against him were Christians, FFS. And I have no idea WTF you're talking about, but the government funds the DOJ, not donors or politicians.

The right time to point out where we may be headed is before we get there. After is no help at all.

And no, "Christian nationalism" is NOT traditional Christianity. Traditional Christianity in the context of the United States and it's framework of pluralism and freedom of (and from) religion. Christian nationalists advocate for something VERY different than the founders and very different that traditional American Christianity. -- Don't forget that traditional American Christianity is born of an exodus of Christians trying to escape religious nationalism to practice their faith freely. Christianity was about individual belief and practice, not about political dominance to the exclusion and alienation of others. Christians are mostly decent (if deluded) people. Christian nationalists are just the Taliban with the New Testament.

I think it was an investigation. That's the job. And I also think you are entirely fabricating the notion that Biden said any such thing. That's why you won't cite it.

So to be clear, when someone reports that an organization is covering up and facilitating sexual abuse, do you believe that law enforcement should not investigate? Should there be no investigation?

Seems like the real problem is that you don't think that allegations of institutional sexual abuse enablement should be investigated. Long live Penn State and the Holy See?

I gave you an article because I've seen what you do to raw data. This article is like every other article--it's not special. If you want the CDC data from the CDC, you're welcome to it. CDC Overall mortality rates among unvaccinated persons were 14.1 times the rates among bivalent vaccine recipients; mortality rates among monovalent-only vaccine recipients were 2.6 times the rates among bivalent vaccine recipients during the late BA.4/BA.5 period. The data in Canada does NOT show the opposite. Canada's vaccination profile was MUCH higher. As always, if 100% of the people are vaccinated, then 100% of deaths would be among the vaccinated. The percentage of the population vaccinated has a HUGE impact on the raw numbers of hospitalizations and deaths (by vaccination status) but not on the rates. The rates of hospitalization and death for vaccinated humans in any country are dramatically lower than those outcomes for the unvaccinated. Unequivocally, the numbers show that the vaccines worked. That is the medical and scientific consensus--and anyone who knows basic statistics can see that in the data. Canada.ca Your points 1-6 are entirely irrelevant because you are asking the wrong questions. Look at the rates. Again see seat belts as a model. The raw numbers are irrelevant. They do not measure the benefit of the mitigation. And if you don't trust any data, WTF is the point anyway?

You are lying, expressly and explicitly about what Fauci said. You've tried to literally change his words. That's a fact we can all see clearly. As to the rest, you just don't know what you're talking about. You are using an old report and overlaying your own narrative. This is from 2022. The genomic lineage does show that the virus had multiple animal to human transmission points. As 2019 turned into 2020, a coronavirus spilled over from wild animals into people, sparking what has become one of the best documented pandemics to afflict humans. However, the origins of the pandemic in December 2019 are controversial. Worobey et al. amassed the variety of evidence from the City of Wuhan, China, where the first human infections were reported. These reports confirm that most of the earliest human cases centered around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Within the market, the data statistically located the earliest human cases to one section where vendors of live wild animals congregated and where virus-positive environmental samples concentrated. In a related report, Pekar et al. found that genomic diversity before February 2020 comprised two distinct viral lineages, A and B, which were the result of at least two separate cross-species transmission events into humans (see the Perspective by Jiang and Wang). The precise events surrounding virus spillover will always be clouded, but all of the circumstantial evidence so far points to more than one zoonotic event occurring in Huanan market in Wuhan, China, likely during November–December 2019. —CA

His organization sent grant funding to another VERY well respected research organization. YOU have spun that to funding the specific creation of a specific virus with specific capabilities. I know "what he did" just fine. It's your fever swamp version of events I reject.

Read the link--or any other discussion of efficacy. The disparity month-over-month is dramatic. And this has been posted for you dozens of times at this point. This is what we watched play out around the world. Over and over again. The vaccines dramatically reduced hospitalization and death (independent metrics) of those who contracted COVID. In the exact same way that a seat belt reduces the probability of serious injury or death in the event of a car accident. The vaccines were massively successful, saving over a million lives. And you continually shit on them because you only want to look at raw numbers rather than rates. 🙄

Bullshit. You're just a shameless liar, who won't even quit when caught red handed. A hopeless case. And you know who thinks you're bad at science? Scientists. Johns Hopkins What do we know about what happened at this animal market? Three-quarters of the early cases had some association with the market and none had an association with the laboratory. Even though the market and the laboratory are both in Wuhan, they are in different parts of the city separated by a river. There were also other indicators: There were two lineages—or two separate variants—of SARS-CoV-2 that were circulating in the early days of the pandemic. One of those became the pandemic [as we know it] and the other one died out. But [the existence of two lineages] would mean that there would have to have been two introductions from a laboratory, versus an outbreak going on among animals and then spilling over multiple times to people. The scientists looked for two things: tracking the early cases and evolution of the two lineages. They did a geospatial analysis which tracked cases that we knew about and pinpointed exactly where in Wuhan those cases were. They were even more tied to the market than previous indicators had suggested. The scientists looked at those two strains and [their] lineages to see how they evolved, which also tied it to an animal spillover. They got down to the exact stall of where one of the positive environmental samples had come from. There had been a picture taken a couple of months prior where a raccoon dog had been sitting in said stall. Raccoon dogs are one of the prime suspects for where the virus came from.

"His virus"? "That he helped make transmissable"? You have drunk half the conspiracy fever swamp. Now directing grant money to another organization is the equivalent of cooking up a supervirus in a lab. GTFO.

Don't play dumb. They ARE functionally different. Saying that the scientific evidence supports a natural jump and saying that a lab leak is impossible are two VERY different statements. That's just how the goddamn English language works. And what farking "lost this argument" are you even talking about? Fauci said then what is still the scientific consensus today: the scientific evidence points to the explanation zoonotic origin.

And then you tried to change it, liar. What you initially quoted: April 17, 2020 Rebuffing then-President Donald Trump, Fauci downplays the possibility of a lab leak, saying the virus’ “mutations” are “totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.” What you just tried to change it to: "He said it was totally natural. There is no ambiguity in that statement. None." And when called out you deny, deny, deny. It's shameless. Scientists don't deal in impossibilities. They tell you what the evidence indicates. And you are making up your own science. Any time a virus jumps to a new species there is a first point of contact. Evolution happens at the individual level, not across a species simultaneously.

Exactly. Sounds like a great solution to a common problem. Less garbage = more better.

You are a bald faced liar. You are literally changing the words directly in front of us. Fark off. And yes, natural viruses exist in labs. Yes, humans in those labs can become infected with those natural viruses. And there you have a lab leak of a natural virus.

You are such a clown. I didn't cite or "cling" to any clinical trials. I'm talking about what happened in the real world.

Care to quote that? Or you just making shit up again?

Apparently you are. If you can't understand a basic statement and have to invent new (more convenient) meanings for it. If he had meant to say it was impossible, he would have said that. It doesn't even farking contradict the lab leak theory, in which the virus made the jump IN the lab. It simply means that it does not appear to be engineered. Which, again, the science still supports today. Stop making shit up.

Lash out when you get caught lying again. Way to go. Hope that's what you're teaching your kids!

The vaccines didn't prevent transmission as much as hoped, but they did help. And in any case, a 5-7x reduction in hospitalization and death is a massive farking win. That IS slowing down the number of people dying. 1 million+ lives saved, and all you armchair epidemiologists can do is shit on that huge success. Give me a break. I know you're obsessed with terrible math, but as always, the asinine argument you are making applies perfectly to seat belts in cars. Regardless of the "death count" in raw numbers, seat belts are dramatically effective at saving lives on a per-incident basis. Exactly like the vaccines.

Bullshit. "Totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human" does not mean that a lab leak is impossible. It simply means that the evolutionary steps are plausible if not probable. On other words, there's no reason to jump to another explanation. Which is where the science still is today.

Not hospitalizations, dummy. Infections were waaaay up. It was a pandemic, after all. And no, news coverage is entirely dictated by what the audience wants to see. What gets eyeballs and clicks. These are businesses.

Jesus, man. Get a grip. Read those quotes. Fauci, as in your quotes, NEVER said it was definitive or impossible. Rather, he said simply that it was highly improbable. And, with apologies to the conspiracy theorists, the scientific perspective is STILL, years later, that the origin was most likely natural.

I think it's an incredibly juvenile term, but if anyone is a "vaxtard," it's the people who looked at a 5-7x reduction in hospitalization and a 5-7x reduction in death and said "Nah, I'll pass."