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  1. 1 hour ago, Hodad said:

    And the fact that two people in the FBI sent personal messages about how Trump was a unfit for office is another irrelevant deflection

    This is nonsense. 

    If YOU were being investigated by somebody who claimed they were doing so as an "insurance policy" so that you couldn't be elected to political office I would be saying the same thing. 

    The fact you call this an irrelevant detail is bullshit 

    1 hour ago, Hodad said:

    you wouldn't look at it and say there's no evidence and no merit

    I would if there was four years of investigation and the best you came up with was a Senator talking to an Ambassador.

  2. 33 minutes ago, Hodad said:

    That's not what I say, it's what the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee report states conclusively. Collusion happened. We know it happened. Kilimnik was involved with the Russian influence campaign in 2016. He was involved with the hack and leak. He was involved in the Russian influence campaign again in 2020. And Manafort was secretly feeding him polling and strategy.

    Your defense of this activity is really pathetic. Apparently you'd say that, in spite of all the evidence, Al Capone wasn't involved in organized crime, otherwise he would have been charged. Instead the government was out to get him and only charged him with Trumped up tax crimes! No fair!

    The fact is that sometimes people ARE good at covering their tracks. And if you can't conclusively prove in court that someone was engaged in the primary criminal enterprise, you hang them on their financial crimes instead. Either way is a win for society.

    No what's pathetic is you continuing on with something that's already been looked at at determined to have no merit. 

    Why is it so hard for you to believe that Hillary lost legitimately?

    Why do you not answer why I should take the FBI seriously when their agents were talking about insurance policies in the event of Trump presidency. 

     

    DO YOU THINK ITS PROPER FOR FBI AGENTS TO HAVE INSURANCE POLICIES IN CASE THEIR PREFERRED CANDIDATE LOSES?

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  3. 4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

    No one said PUBLIC polling data was given. Try to keep up.

    Trump "won" by a razor thin margin in 3 states. EVERY advantage he had was CRUCIAL, including Putin's and his IRA's help. Duh

    Trump won because of Hillarys moronic statements about putting coal miners out of business and rigged an fing primary which ticked off alot of people that chose to stay home and not vote rather than voting for her. Add to that she should've been in jail just like any other military personel that would breach security for her email server. 

    This russia bs is just deflection from those FACTS. 

    We have TEXT MESSAGES from the FBI agents showing the collusion delusion was just an insurance policy against a Trump presidency and that there was nothing to the claims. Yet you still want me to believe whatever you say?

  4. 12 minutes ago, Hodad said:

    You are just lying again.

    1. The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee report was conclusive: "The Committee found that Kilimnik is a Russian intelligence officer." If you, random internet guy, want to disagree, take it up with the CIA, FBI and NSA.

    2. The information WAS NOT publicly available. "On numerous occasions, Manafort sought to secretly share internal Campaign information with Kilimnik." -- "Manafort shared sensitive internal polling data or Campaign strategy with Kilimnik"

    ^^Note that this is exactly the information the Russian election interference effort would need to coordinate with Trump campaign activities and target the right Americans with the right messages for maximal effect. 

    You say it's not big deal, but Manafort, Gates and Kilimnik went to extraordinary lengths to hide and cover their communications of what you call "publicly available" information. ?

    And now I see you've shifted tactics. You say, "Well, even if the Trump campaign did collude with Russian intelligence operatives who were trying to tilt the election for Trump, that's not the reason Trump won." Nice try. 

    ?.. 

    Again, just justification for a bogus investigation. 

    If they could credibly prove what you say they WOULDVE CHARGED SOMEONE. 

    I realize the press had a vested interest in proving the collusion delusion because they peddled it for four years and lost ALL CREDIBILITY.

  5. 8 hours ago, Hodad said:

    You can dip, dodge and deflect all you want, still won't change that Manafort was passing sensitive political intelligence to a spy, who passed it to the Kremlin, which was targeting US citizens for election interference.

    There's no evidence Kilminik was Russian intelligence nor that Manafort knew he was Russian intelligence and gave him publicly available polling data to interfere in an election. There's also no evidence this was illegal and is within constitutional rights to associate with whomever the hell you want to 

    They had to legitimize an investigation because they filed false applications to a secret court to usurp the constitutional rights of freedom from unreasonable search of several American citizens. Democrats had to save face after lying for close to 5 years about collusion. That's all it is. 

    Either way Hillary didn't lose because of Russia. She lost because it was uncovered she rigged her own primary and then told people in swing states she was going to put them out of work. Furthermore it was obvious Comey gave her special treatment when he chose not to indict and Bill had the infamous secret meeting with Loretta Lynch just days before they let her off.

    Blame Russia all you like but Hillary did it to herself. And collusion allegations were just the "insurance policy" in case she lost.

  6. 8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

    Yeah, sure Manafort was seeing up this ongoing series of super secret meetings and hidden and encrypted email and text communication to talk with his Russian intelligence buddy about casual things that weren't at all secret.

    Manafort ran a lobbying firm with his buddy Tony Podesta, the brother of Hillary Clinton's campaign manager in Europe. Welcome to Washington where you sell your lobbying services to whomever

    Everything is nefarious when you are sold on conspiracy theories ie a Senator meeting with a Russian Ambassador. 

    But a Democrat Senator boinking a Chinese spy? Nothing to see there ?

  7. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

    This has got to be one of the weirdest and hokey-est claims the dems make, and as you know it was up against some pretty serious competition for that spot.

    "he gave them polling data".  How is that secret? It's internal polls - the russians at any time could hire the same polling company to do their own polls and have the data.  There were tonnes of legit polls and info out there.  there is absolutely NO WAY to 'misuse' polling data or to have 'super secret' polling data  that couldn't be obtained by virtually anyone.

    The only purpose to give that to someone is to brag about how well you're doing or convince them you're going to win, there's nothing 'strategic' about it.

    Yet the dems try to pass it off like this was giving away state secrets.

    It's just delusional.

    Could've been manafort trying to brag about how he was leading a POLITICAL NOVICE to an election win with a fraction of the budget over a woman with quite possibly the most well funded, well connected campaign in American history? Maybe looking for work after the campaign? 

    I mean Crooked had the entire establishment media behind her. The intelligence community. All of Washington. The business community yet STILL lost. Because "Russia" spent a few thousand dollars in facebook ads? Amazing..and embarrassing that this is the story. But I could see why she's still trying to blame "Russia" for the greatest election defeat in American history. 

    Why did she lose? Quite simple... she said out loud that she was going to put people in swing states out of work.. but RUSSIA. ?

  8. 39 minutes ago, Hodad said:

    Nobody was investigated for "collusion."

    However, the Trump campaign absolutely did collude with Russian intelligence. That Mueller couldn't connect the final dots to prove it was a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean that it wasn't. It VERY likely was. But in either case it absolutely, with total certainly, merited investigation. There was no hoax. And you're simply delusional if you think it in any way appropriate for a campaign chair to be arranging secret meetings to pass sensitive political intelligence to foreign operatives. Not to mention what Stone was up to with the hack and leak.

    And Kilimnik is a known Russian intelligence operative who delivered what he got from Manafort directly to the Kremlin. <-- Again, not a theory, but on record at this point.

    And the Senate Intelligence committee report was REPUBLICAN-led. The Democrats didn't do it. They were in the minority at the time. You are either invitation or lying about this, and it's anybody's guess.

    You are trying to alter history.

    There's no evidence Kilminik was Russian intelligence other than DEMOCRATS making up delusions. The polling data that was given he could've gotten with a Google search. He was a business guy

    Lol.. this is honestly so pathetic. You were duped. 

    Now you claim that you were actually right but Mueller just couldn't connect the dots despite four years and an unlimited budget. A normal person would say "hey maybe there's no dots to connect and I'm just not right on this one'" but not you.. you go full boar on the conspiracy theory ?.. 

    Couldn't connect but Trump is actually guilty.. hilarious 

  9. 1 hour ago, robosmith said:

    Tons of evidence that Russia helped Trump's campaign. Indictments listed in the Mueller Report.

    Putin STATED on National TV that he wanted Trump to win.

    Nope. It was solely because he would not swear personal allegiance to Trump as DEMANDED.

    When they're colluding with FOREIGN AGENTS (like Kilimnik and Deripaska), that is prima facie justification.

    1. Still doesn't mean that Trump COLLUDED with anybody... only delusional buffoons think otherwise

    2. Comey was a dirty cop and the text messages PROVE there was "no there there" ACCORDING TO HIS OWN FBI AGENTS yet they held the entire country hostage anyway

    3. Lol.. more fing nonsense. Kilmniak was a BUSINESS PERSON not a government official you IMBECILE. The Democrats tried to KEEP THE DELUSION GOING with their senate report but it was a piece of ?

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  10. 11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

    Getting campaign contributions from foreigners IS A CRIME. That's why Trump GUTTED the FEC after he took office. 

    Do you even know that FEC is responsible for investigating and prosecuting Federal election law violations?

    Trump firing Comey was just PART of his OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE as detailed by Mueller.

    Do you even know about Trump demanding PERSONAL LOYALTY from Comey?

    1. This NEVER HAPPENED

    2. Comey deserved to be fired because he targeted a political campaign and ran surveillance using fraudulent FISA applications. 

    NOBODY SHOULD BE OKAY WITH ANOTHER ADMINISTRATION MONITORING A RIVAL POLITICAL CAMPAIGN. 

    This isn't fing China pal

  11. 2 hours ago, Hodad said:

    Sessions recused himself because an investigation would be required and he couldn't, in good conscience, investigate himself. Which allowed Rosenstein to make the call on special prosecutor. That's right, neither of those Trump appointees thought it was a meritless investigation which should be shut down. They both agreed that it must continue. And Rosenstein appointed Mueller as special counsel to continue it.

    That's nonsense. Comey (a Republican) did oversee an early investigation, but there was nothing illegal about it. It was entirely necessary. Again, the even the Durham report agreed that investigation was appropriate. The head of the FBI can't watch a Presidential candidate's campaign deeply enmeshed with hostile foreign intelligence and not investigate. That would be absurd. It's literally part of the job. 

    And you should just take "non crimes" out of your vocabulary. Sounds more absurd every time you use it. 

    Do you understand that the party nominees, like Trump, receive top secret intelligence briefings? And then when his campaign staff--his campaign manager!--have ongoing secret meetings with Russian intelligence operatives underlayers of tradecraft, there's nothing to see here? No reason to investigate that? GTFO!

    1. Sessions recused himself because folks like you thought it was criminal for a Senator to do Senator stuff and meet with foreign ambassadors to the United States. If you think that it's okay to make fake allegations then choose every normal political interaction as evidence of some DELUSION that you had, you are a lost cause. 

    2. It's not nonsense. We have the TEXT MESSAGES that shows the top FBI agents had an "insurance policy" in the event that Trump won and FISA applications were full of fiction. 

    They also didn't disclose key details such as the information they were relying on for the HOAX was coming from a political campaign . 

    Whether or not Comey is a RINO is IRRELEVANT to the timeline. That is Comey cooked up the delusions alongside Hillary DURING AND SHORTLY AFTER THE ELECTION WHILE BARRY WAS IN OFFICE and fed them to the American public to then launch a criminal investigation which by your own admission NO CRIMES WERE EVEN PRESENT BECAUSE EVEN IF TRUE COLLUSION ISNT A CRIME. 

    The investigation was already WELL UNDERWAY before Trump was inaugurated. Trump fired Comey for being a DIRTY COP which is when everyone cried for a special council. Then in came Mueller TO CLEAN UP COMEYS MESS.

  12. 10 hours ago, Hodad said:

    Why do you even bother lying about things that you know you'll be easily called out?

    Sessions= Trump nomination

    Rosenstein= Trump nomination

    Wray= Trump appointee 

     

    And of course Fox said that. They are the PR wing of the Republican party, not a news organization. They just spent several years lying to your face about election fraud and had to pay $800 million for it. Their entire business model is telling their foolish followers what they want to hear. 

    Fortunately the congressional record exists and the history will be written. Read the report or don't. I can't force you to learn.

    Sessions had nothing to do with the scam. He was falsely accused of working with Russia as well for meeting with the Russian Ambassador.

    The facts are Jim Comey had already fired up an ILLEGAL investigation into non crimes before Trumps inauguration. His top FBI agents called it an "insurance policy" to get who they wanted in power and to usurp the will of the voters

  13. 2 hours ago, Hodad said:

    I don't know what your mean when you say you've "listened to all the evidence." Most likely you mean you listened to some jackass like Tucker Carlson spin a web of lies. I guarantee that you haven't read the Senate Intelligence committee report, despite the fact that it's been linked here dozens of times. Hundreds of pages of secret meetings and intelligence exchanges etc. It's quite damning. Even someone like you couldn't hand wave it away.

    Only liars and traitors would say that a campaign seeking help from a hostile foreign government is insufficient justification for an investigation.

    Yes, they knew some of what Trumpco was up to even before the Mueller investigation. That why even Trump's DOJ felt the investigation was necessary. There's some shit so bad even conscientious Republicans won't let it slide. Even the Durham report concluded that investigation was warranted. ?

    "Trump's doj" lol.. they were holdover from the Obama administration. 

    Say what you want about Fox, their legal experts said all along this was nonsense and they turned out to be correct. 

  14. 28 minutes ago, Hodad said:

    Okay, I'm happy to take this as your final refusal to read any primary sources or to educate yourself on the subject in any way. You choose ignorance and political spin. That's fine. You don't get to vote here anyway, so your ignorance is someone else's problem. ?

    Bud I've listened to all the evidence and if you can't acknowledge the predicate for this investigation was a sham you don't deserve to vote. People like YOU are why your country is in shambles

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  15. 1 hour ago, Hodad said:

    It's hard to fully capture how uninformed you are, and how committed you are to staying that way. 

    Mueller's remit was exactly what Rosenstein said it was. That's the way the legal system works.

    I provided you an authoritative quote from an original source. You, in return, are simply making shit up. 

    Collusion is not a term in criminal law. It's casual language. Hence it was not Mueller's mission. If you want to know what he was asked to investigate by Trump's DOJ, read the order. Again, it's just a single page. You can do it. 

    And your characterization of Manafort's 18 felony charges as trivial  technicalities is laughable. He was convicted but a jury on multiple charges, lost tens of millions of dollars and was sentenced to serious prison time. Because he was a fraudster like his big orange boss.

    They were trivial technicalities and NONE were related to Russia collision. You are an fing liar and its sad. Just cause you bought into hillarys delusions and can't come to grips with the fact that people don't support your perverted world view lol. 

    And I'm NOT the one who claimed COLLUSION. This was a DELUSIONAL CONSPIRACY THEORY that was the predicate for an investigation. As you point out and I agree with you COLLUSION ISNT A CRIME. But what you fail to recognize is that by using this nonsense as a predicate, the FBI acted OUTSIDE THE LAW and used it as a FISHING EXPEDITION against a sitting president. They then found obscure laws to go after his associates. NO MATTER HOW YOU FD UP PEOPLE TRY TO SPIN IT THIS ABUSE OF POWER IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE. It was an ILLEGITIMATE PREMISE to start an investigation

    The entire Mueller investigation was just a fishing expedition used to interfere with the legitimate policy mandate of a DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT and was more of a threat to democracy than anything Donnie was falsely accused of

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  16. 29 minutes ago, Hodad said:

    1. No, that was not the mandate. I don't know what garbage opinion peddler you're parroting, but it's clear you don't have any familiarity with the facts.

    The DOJ announcement:

    "Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein today announced the appointment of former Department of Justice official and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to serve as Special Counsel to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters."

    You can read the order for yourself. It's just one page long. 

    Again, you're trying to debate based upon a false premise. 

     

    Their role was to look into Hillary's CONSPIRACY THEORIES of Russian collusion which were NOT crimes as you have already said. They filled out FISA warrants using falsified information to SPY on a rival campaign, then used false information from a FOREIGN SPY fed by those connected to the KREMLIN to stall the implementation of an agenda ratified through an ELECTION. 

    They went through EVERY aspect of Trump and those close to hims lives and managed to find some forms that were incorrectly filled out or not filled. They then used an obscure law to cover up and justify SPYING on a presidential candidate and using the FBI to abuse their powers to investigate a political candidate even tho you ADMIT NO CRIME EXISTED. They harassed a sitting president AND HIS KIDS over a DELUSIONAL CONSPIRACY THEORY that wasn't a crime to begin with

    The fact that you are ok with this type of bullshit shows that you are not to be taken seriously. YOU WOULD SIDE WITH ADOLF HITLER AND THEIR BROKEN GLASS POLICY AND GESTAPO AS WELL

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  17. 9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

    It's not a real question. It's a false premise.

    And the investigation started long before Clinton lost. That was not the impetus. The Trump campaign's shady connections to Russia drew the attention of the intelligence community well before the election. Here's a timeline. Click it and read it to learn.

    No it's not. You are engaging in revisionist history here. 

    The mandate the Mueller team had was to investigate collusion with the Russians. You are ADMITTING collusion isn't a crime THEREFORE NO INVESTIGATION SHOULD'VE HAPPENED TO BEGIN WITH. 

    Instead they set perjury traps and combed through taxes to ensure the correct obscure forms from a law very seldom ever discussed were filled out. 

    Very definition of a Nazi show trial

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  18. 21 minutes ago, Hodad said:

    1. No, it's not. Read the Mueller quote.

    2. When you say "Then why..." It doesn't change the facts on record. The facts remain.

    Another fact is that Manafort was convicted of a lot more than tax evasion.

    As for why Mueller didn't think he could prove criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt, it's not an easy thing to do, particularly when Manafort wouldn't confess and, for some reason, Russian Intelligence agents are beyond subpoena power.

    Are you aware that Manafort signed a plea deal to cooperate with Mueller's investigation? Then Trumpworld started talking openly about the possibility of pardoning Manafort and, like magic, Manafort refused to cooperate anymore. In simpler terms, he agreed to flip and then Trump bought his silence with a pardon.

    You haven't answered my question. 

     

    The FBI was investigating NON CRIMES for no other reason than to delay/impede/interfere in the WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and Trump's ability to implement his agenda as was voted on by the American public. This was because Hillary CRIED about losing an election. Biggest FRAUD on the American public of all time. 

    They hung low level Trump guys on an obscure law from the 1800s. And you think this investigation had any legitimacy? Wow. Dumb

  19. 9 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

    The prosecutor didn't inflate and deflated properties for financial gain.

    Donald did.

    This is completely moronic

     

    10 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

    It's funny how Donald is claiming the judge is the one victimizing him, but the judge didn't write the lawsuit against him. 

    The judge is a far left looney tune tool who's abusing his powers to try and sway and election and STEALING Donnie's hard earned money. 

  20. 8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

    Well no, he didn't.  even the prosecution and the judge isn't saying that.

    Why does everything have to be explained to you 100 times?

    The claim is that donald had inflated the price.  The GOV"T assesses his property for taxes, donald doesn't.  And the prosecutor claimed the fact the assessment was lower is proof that donald's assessment is too high.  Which turns out to be not an accurate statement at all.

    Now - i've explained that to you.  Others here have explained it.  Yet you keep repeating the lie.

    Do you feel the need to lie because you know you're in the wrong? Is that it?


    Wow - looks like even donald haters like you know there's something wrong here if you feel the need to lie to cover their tracks :) 

    They are just trolling. They know their delusions aren't built on reality yet alas here we are

  21. On 11/9/2023 at 8:56 PM, CdnFox said:

    The antisemitism is out of control.  We see it even on the board here.  The raw hatred of the jews and  "not being able to get past' the past as one poster here put it, how can there ever be peace without one side or the other being wiped out.

    Leftists are making society unbearable

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