Aristides

So you are trying to tell me that 15 to 3 are the same odds as 85 to 3. Vegas dealers must just love you.

And the vaccinated account for 6 times the population. Are you guys really that obtuse?

The numbers don't lie Shady. You still don't seem to understand that the vaccinated and unvaccinated are not 50/50. They are more like 85/15. On that basis, the unvaccinated are taking up six times as many beds.

I'm not concerned about questions. You are suggesting that covid patients are counted as such on the basis of whether they are vaccinated or not. You are just looking for a conspiracy and maintaining health authorities are lying to you. Call me a liar and I will tell you to fuck off. I won't give you an explanation.

You really don't understand percentages. I guess I understand now.

Confirm what? Are you saying it is a conspiracy and they are counted differently? A little honesty would be nice.

Actually the metro populations of Miami and Toronto are about the same 6.1 million.

No, you are trying to make a case that they aren't and by comparing groups you want to say they are counted differently. It's nothing but a conspiracy theory. See Occam's Razor

It isn't 50/50. It's 20/3.5. It's clear you don't understand percentages.

The data you provided confirms it if the reason for the difference isn't vaccines.

Most of our population is concentrated in and around a few cities. Your map clearly shows that. Yes Calgary's population is 13 times that of Ft. Mac, as is Edmonton's Vancouver's population is 50 times that of Prince George Thanks for confirming exactly what I said.

Well what's the reason for the higher percentage of unvaccinated in ICU's if it isn' vaccines?

I'll try and make it as simple as I can. You have 100 people, 85 are vaccinated and 15 are unvaccinated. Each group has 3 people in ICU, 50/50 right. Except that means 20% of the unvaccinated are in ICU but only 3.5% of the vaccinated are in ICU. I hope that is of some help to the 50/50 crowd.

So you are willing to admit the unvaccinated are a bunch of unfit old slobs with lots of co-morbidities.

FFS the unvaccinated now represent less than 15% of the population, it could hardly be any farther from equal. You are trying to claim that the unvaccinated Covid cases are counted differently from vaccinated Covid cases. you are just another conspiracy nut job.

I confirms exactly what I said. Most of Canada's population is concentrated around Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver with the rest pretty much concentrated in Edmonton, Calgary and Winnipeg. There is next to no one north of Edmonton or Sudbury and that is more than half the country. You are comparing the Florida Keys with Baffin Island

What makes anyone think there will be a return. There was no return to what was the normal before 9/11. The only constant in life is change.

I already addressed that. Most Canadians live in cities. 80% of the country is lightly or almost uninhabited.

The data you posted shows clearly that they aren't equal. You are trying to argue black is white.

No, you want to claim vaccination status has no effect on ICU cases, which has been shown to be demonstrably false.

It might slow things down a bit but closing borders hasn't kept the new variants out of any country.

That's not what the link you posted is about. If someone didn't go into the ICU until they got Covid, they are there because of Covid. What's so hard for you to understand?

Well, if the unvaccinated are winding up in Covid ICU wards at many times the rate of the vaccinated, they must be a pretty pathetic bunch of physical specimens. I'll ask you again, why to you apply different admission criteria to vaccinated and unvaccinated Covid patients?

Are the unvaccinated so unhealthy, so old and have so many co-morbidities that they wind up in ICU'S at a rate multiple times more than the vaccinated?

What are you trying to do, apply different criteria to different status? Are you saying that all the unvaccinated in ICU are there for non Covid reasons and all the vaccinated people are there because of Covid? If you are playing those stupid games why post any links if you are just going to rewrite them to suit your own agenda.