Yzermandius19

Vox and Mother Jones says so must be true they aren't insanely hackish far left rags playing hostile witness they are the kings of objectivity when it comes to characterizing right wing political movements they wouldn't unfairly demonize clearly non-racist stances on issues to the benefit of the Democrats lulz

the Tea Party or Ross Perot weren't racists and neither were their supporters many of the racists never left the Democrats and of the few who did they didn't do it for racist reasons the old lefty racists are now the woke who think calling everyone else racist will divert suspicion of their own racism especially if they call all the white people who don't agree with them racists it's still the same ol Democrat Plantation Aristocracy, just rebranded

they do acknowledge his faults and lies but your TDS just makes you think that 90% of the things you consider to be his faults and lies aren't faults or lies so this makes you think they are in a cult because they never acknowledge the anti-Trump propaganda as the truth when it's you who is in a cult trapped inside the mainstream media Trump hating bubble you think they are reasonable ones pointing out his lies and faults but they are 88% Democrats who have TDS worse than anyone your faith in those who tell more lies and have more faults than anyone is your downfall meanwhile you openly write off any pro-Trump news sources as too biased to pay any attention to and you only see one side of the story which is extremely biased against Trump you've been brainwashed in a TDS echo chamber and have concocted excuses to never leave it this is how you come to view Trump supporters as cultists and buy into an obvious strawman of them constructed by their biggest haters are their Trump cultists? sure bur there are also plenty of reasonable Trump supporters who are not and lumping them in with the cultists is what cultists on the other side do

Fake News Libya and Syria beg to differ

yes they do, you're just deliberately being obtuse

the first way is totally ineffective the public can vote them out now for not publicly talking about the proposed changes in legislation and they don't do that the second way is a police state to spy on politicians and lobbyists private discussions which is ridiculous over the top totalitarianism straight out of the KGB playbook

these two paragraphs totally contradict each other I don't want any restrictions of free speech I want this restriction of free speech make up your mind if you are going to stop them from speaking in private how do you do that without a giant police state apparatus to spy on politicians and lobbyists to make sure they aren't discussing things that effect the public interest in private?

they could just say they revealed all relevant information from their private conversations and not actually do so so how do you enforce that effectively?

this is a strawman of Trump supporters on this forum you think all Trump supporters are cultists because a minority of them are and it is very annoying cultish behavior to lump all Trump supporters in the same category

how can you force them to speak in public without restricting them from speaking in private? you need to flesh this out

forcing them to not speak in private is a restriction on their right to speak in private a right which every citizen has protected by freedom of speech them being politicians or lobbyists is not grounds to strip that right from them

in many cases, sure but the politicians and lobbyists have a right to not have their speech restricted too and that right is more important

hell no the politicians and lobbyists aren't the only one's who want to infringe on rights

I don't trust either I oppose the public when they want to infringe on rights I oppose the politicians and lobbyists when they want to infringe on rights both want to do this all the time your ability to comprehend writing sure sucks

you are forcing them to not speak in private the public doesn't have a right to listen to private conversations if you want to ban private conversations, you need to explain how that isn't a violation of both free speech and privacy

you need to stop accusing anyone who disagrees with your dumb free speech hating plan of loving corruption your plan just sucks learn to cope

change Trump cult to Woke cult and apply this to yourself you're projecting again the people you call Trump cultists are far more reasonable than you you simply call anyone who doesn't have Trump Derangement Syndrome a cultist anyone who doesn't constantly shit on Trump for the dumbest of reasons is a cultist to you

you seem to think your listening is more important than politicians and lobbyists speaking freely though that's not free speech

there are reasons to restrict freedom of speech banning politicians and lobbyists from speaking to each other in private isn't one of them that's all downside and no upside we won't be any freer by doing that, just the opposite and it's sets a terrible precedent almost all nations on this planet go way too far in their restriction of free speech already only America gets it right you free speech haters are truly disgusting and next level stupid you're even worse than many of the politicians and lobbyists whose free speech you want to restrict

better than restricting free speech just because you don't have as much transparency as you'd like doesn't mean fundamental freedoms should be restricted get a better plan to address the issue because freedom of speech is more important than government transparency and you are prioritizing the latter over the former

restricting people from speaking off the record is restricting free speech just because they spend my money doesn't mean they should have their free speech rights infringed upon if that is the only method you can up with to incentivize them speaking on the record you're doing it wrong go back to drawing board

no you moron I don't like them making deals like that but if the only way you can come up with to try and prevent it is to restrict free speech, that's where you lose me come up with a better plan that doesn't restrict free speech and I'd support it if not, then f*ck off

I'm a fan of government transparency but not at the expense of freedom of speech freedom of speech is more important than government transparency so if someone proposes a stupid plan to ban politicians and lobbyists from speaking about politics in private I'm going to tell them to shove that plan up their ass eyeball assumes that anyone who opposes such a plan just loves corrupt back room deals being hidden from the public and everyone who supports government transparency supports that plan because that ridiculous false dichotomy is the only way to sell the shitty plan

the Khazarians are Jews the Khazarians fit the same role in your conspiracy theory that the Jews did in the Nazi's Jewish Bolshevik Conspiracy and yet you go around proclaiming everyone under the sun except Russia are Nazi's smart people can do the math

by forcing them to only speak to each other about certain topics when the public is watching that is banning private speech just because you are only banning politicians and lobbyists from talking in private about issues that effect the public doesn't make it not a restriction on free speech you liking the censorship doesn't make it not censorship this isn't complicated, stop being so stupid