Yzermandius19

weirdly, people also blame The Bible for "causing" violence, while the Quran gets a pass when neither cause violence just because some people who hold those books in high regard commit violent acts in their name weirdly, some people blame others for dehumanizing people, while dehumanizing people far more than those they are accusing of dehumanizing others cognitive dissonance is helluva drug

hate speech killing people is not the problem people killing people is the problem blaming speech for people being murdered is worse than blaming the tool they used to kill people for the murder which is bad enough the problem is the person not the words or the inanimate object

go ahead, call them out but it's still free speech and they should not be prosecuted for it unless it crosses the threshold of incitement to violence if a nutcase is looking for a reason to kill people, they will find one even if no one ever spread hate or fear toward a specific group

free speech didn't kill any Jews Nazi's did though while suppressing the free speech to criticize the killing I might add the blame is with the Nazi's not the propaganda

the responsibility for murdering Muslims lies squarely at the feet of the murderers themselves that shouldn't be hard to understand no need for silly "so, what you're saying is..." games it's a very simple statement stop trying to twist my words into something abhorrent because you don't like my argument strawman is a fallacy for a reason don't be Cathy Newman in the Jordan Peterson interview it's not a good look

okay Cathy Newman

whether it is successful or not has no bearing on who is responsible for murdering Muslim's that lies squarely at the feet of the murderers themselves it's not the Bible's fault, it's not the Quran's fault it's not Grand Theft Auto's fault, it's not Marilyn Manson's fault it's not PewDiePie's fault

Grand Theft Auto III is not responsible for Dustin Lynch murdering JoLynn Mishne regardless of his GTA III obsession I don't care what Jack Thompson or dialamah says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist)#Grand_Theft_Auto

propaganda works but propaganda didn't kill anyone those who hate Muslims don't give anyone a space to kill Muslims those killing Muslims gave themselves the space to kill Muslims their rationale for killing them is not relevant they can come up with any excuse if they are really determined to do it whether anyone voices hatred of Muslims or not the Bible doesn't give anyone space to beat their wives or gay son the wife and son beaters gave themselves that space it's not the bible's fault

I know how propaganda works the people pushing propaganda are not responsible for the people who use that propaganda to justify their actions people are responsible for their own actions propaganda or no propaganda propaganda is free speech and it isn't responsible for violence regardless of whether some people claim that speech inspired their acts of violence or not regardless of whether that speech was hate and fearmongering or not blaming the speech it's like blaming a mass shooting on Grand Theft Auto get a grip, Jack Thompson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist)

if I go out and run down 10 religious people with a car and say it's because dialamah said that high religiosity is responsible for poor treatment of human beings that isn't your fault, and you didn't incite any violence you are not responsible for my actions, I am responsible for my actions, whether I blame you for them, or not so stop blaming someone for a crazy person taking them out of context to justify horrible acts of violence already it makes no sense whatsoever if someone goes and shoots up parliament, and says it was because Yzermandius19 talked trash about Confederation on this forum that isn't my fault, it's the fault of the mass shooter I am not responsible for their actions, they are responsible for their actions, whether they blame me for them, or not see how that works?

no they don't the mentally unbalanced person who wants to drive over a family can come up with any reason to do so someone stating a hateful opinion you don't like is not incitement to violence

many who wear religious garb aren't fundamentalist though so that is bad indicator might want to look for a better one

look at countries who were and are governed by left leaning atheists who tried to repressed religious practice for example they have treated people worse than any highly religious nations in the history of the planet ask Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pot

not all Christians are fundamentalist not all Muslims are fundamentalist who knew?

the problem is not religiosity the problem is the moral values not how religious they are many of the least religious places on the planet treat women, children, gays and non-believers poorly as well especially in comparison to the most religious places

yeah well many posters here are lumping in a lot of posters making simple critiques of Islam with those who think Muslims are a monolith turning the critics of Islam into a monolith while decrying turning a group into a monolith as hateful and ignorant put down the broad brush before talking down to others for using an overly broad brush Michael Hardner is the biggest offender

just because a lot of religious extremists wear religious head garb does not mean that all who wear religious head garb are religious extremists correlation does not equal causation that is fallacious thinking, not logical thought

just because someone wears a headscarf does not necessarily mean they support stoning homosexuals non sequitur if you assume that just because someone adheres to Christianity that they must assume the earth is 6000 years old you're going to be wrong in an absolute shit ton of cases that kind of overgeneralization is not logical

all you have is ad hominem strawmen that's your entire argument against those you disagree with on the subject pretend they said something stupid and immoral that they never said and impugn their morality and character over it that way you don't need to have any point whatsoever to feel smart and have the moral high ground step your game up

he will either attack the messenger and not the message and/or he will fabricate a message and fallaciously associate it with the messenger he doesn't agree with he will not engage in rational discussion debating the argument in good faith if he did he'd get his ass handed to him so he avoids that at all costs so he can fool himself into thinking he's the smart one with the moral high ground it is the only way he can maintain that delusion which protects his self image in his own mind hence the massive cognitive dissonance we are witnessing

attacking the person, not the argument and putting words in their mouth is all MH has ad hominem strawmen just a parade of fallacies no semblance of rationality whatsoever just him and his butthurt feelz castigating anyone who dares disagree with him as the devil incarnate cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug

go fuck yourself you slanderous piece of shit despicable and disgusting behavior over 9000 you get on your high horse about demonizing others and you demonize others far more than anyone you accuse of doing so the hypocrisy is staggering

the arguments aren't chiefly purposed to exclude and demonize people even if they were, they aren't responsible for the actions of others the hate crime perpetrators are responsible for their own actions you blaming others for saying something that the perpetrators twist to justify their actions is the ridiculous position here you are the anti-responsibility person here letting the perpetrators of the hook because someone said something that got them fired up

any argument no matter how well reasoned or well intentioned can inflame people on the edge that doesn't make the people making that argument responsible for the actions of people on the edge Marilyn Manson is not responsible for Columbine PewDiePie is not responsible for Christchurch people who criticize Islamic extremists are not responsible for hate crimes against Muslim's either you're the hate monger hating anyone who dares criticize Islam or any Muslim viewing them as an inherently hateful person just for voicing that criticism stop projecting your own faults on others and look in the mirror before throwing stones from your glass house