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Here is the answer as to why Lucifer is used in Isaiah 14:12 KJV "An examination of the original Hebrew will dispel any illusion that "morning star" is an acceptable substitute for the word "Lucifer." The Hebrew is "helel, ben shachar" which is accurately translated, "Lucifer, son of the morning." The NIV and NASB give an English translation as if the Hebrew said, ''shachar kokab, ben shachar' or morning star, son of the morning (or dawn). Yet the word for star (kokab) appears nowhere in the text. Also 'morning' appears only once, as the KJV shows, not twice as new versions indicate. The word kokab is translated as 'star' dozens of other times by NIV translators; morning or dawn is likewise used hundreds of times. New version editors know boger kokab is 'morning star' since it is used in Job 38:7. If God had intended to communicate 'morning star', he could have repeated it here. The word he chose, helel, appears nowhere else in the Old Testament, just as "Lucifer" appears nowhere else." New Age Bible Versions, p.42-43 The change in new versions does not come from the original Hebrew language, but from the theology of the new version editors. ""Morning Star" Not In Hebrew The change in new versions does not spring from the original Hebrew language, but from the 'theology' of the new version editors. The NIV's wording parallels exactly the view expressed by NIV committee member R. Laird Harris. He asserts that Isaiah 14 is not about "Lucifer" and his descent to "hell," but about a king from Babylon and his interment in the "grave. "3 The NIV's version of Harris' view is one link in a chain tied to New Age Luciferian H.P. Blavatsky, who like the new versions and new theologians, denies the fall of Lucifer. Blavatsky writes the script for the 20th century scribes saying: Now there are many passages in the Bible that prove on their face, exoterically, that this belief was at one time universal; and the two most convincing are Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14. Christian theologians are welcome to interpret the great War before Creation. . .if they so choose, but the absurdity of the idea is too apparent."

Jesus Christ is referred to as the morning star in Revelation 22:16 KJV, Revelation 2:28 KJV, and 2 Peter 1:19 KJV. "16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. " Rev 22:16 KJV " 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. " Rev. 2:27-29 KJV "19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: " 2 Peter 1:19 KJV

You are not explaining why this is corruption. You simply show there is a difference between the KJV and others like the NASB and call it corruption. That is not an argument. Why is this corruption? Fair question. I can see you have a different take on this. I am not blaming you for it. So I will simply try to show what the problem is with the change in Isaiah 14:12 KJV to the modern versions. I will try to deal with each one of your points individually otherwise the whole thing becomes a mess and confusion. Lets deal with Isaiah 14:12 for now. The book New Age Bible Versions explains it clearly: quote The Doctrine of Satan: The Name Game "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou Shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms, that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?" Isaiah 14: 12-17 In Lucifer's boastful cry, "I will be like the most High," discontentment weighs on every word; the anointed cherub wanted an identity change. The new persona he wished to pursue included the response of worship from whomsoever would. This is seen in his appeal to Jesus Christ to "fall down and worship me," recorded in Matthew 4:9. Unfortunately his ambition will be fulfilled, as seen in Revelation 13:4, "and they worshipped the dragon." Revelation 12:9 identifies, "the great dragon [as]. , .that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan." The public relations campaign required to transform the public's image of Satan, from his true evil character to one which would inspire worship, is monumental. It pivots upon the transformation of his identity. Historically, Isaiah 14 has been used as the singular biography of Lucifer, shedding unique light upon the "mystery of iniquity." In verse twelve Lucifer is in heaven; in verse fifteen Satan is in hell. The intervening verses expose his pride in the five "I wills," each a rung in his descent into hell. ("I will," is also the official motto of the U.S. city sporting zip code 60606. In 1966, this same city hatched the NIV.) These passages must be the object of Satan's rancor and consequently his opposition. They reveal his arrogance (verse 13 and 14), his responsibility for much of the world's misery (verse 17) and his end (verse 15 and 16). He is indicted as soundly in Ezekiel 28, but is unnamed and designated "the anointed cherub." His ambition is to be "like the most High" and these verses sweep away that illusion, presenting him transparently. To hold that he would not grapple with the word "Lucifer" until it was securely removed from such an unflattering context and replanted into a "like-the-most-High" context, is naivete. Fait accompli, the feat is accomplished in all new bible versions; the KJV remains uncorrupted. NIV NASB How you have fallen from heaven O morning star, son of the dawn. . .but you are brought down to the grave. How you have fallen from heaven O star of the morning, son of the dawn. . .you will be thrust down to Sheol. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!. . . Yet thou Shalt be brought down to hell...{ls. 14:12,15). Twentieth century versions have removed the name Lucifer, thereby eliminating the only reference to him in the entire bible. The word Lucifer then falls to the realm of the poets and writers of mythology and ceases to be an identifiable character of biblical origin. He is thereby divorced from the truth concerning himself. In John 8:44 Jesus said, "the devil. . .is a liar, and the father of it." He can now have whatever characteristics he desires. "Morning Star" Not In Hebrew The change in new versions does not spring from the original Hebrew language, but from the 'theology' of the new version editors. The NIV's wording parallels exactly the view expressed by NIV committee member R. Laird Harris. He asserts that Isaiah 14 is not about "Lucifer" and his descent to "hell," but about a king from Babylon and his interment in the "grave. "3 The NIV's version of Harris' view is one link in a chain tied to New Age Luciferian H.P. Blavatsky, who like the new versions and new theologians, denies the fall of Lucifer. Blavatsky writes the script for the 20th century scribes saying: Now there are many passages in the Bible that prove on their face, exoterically, that this belief was at one time universal; and the two most convincing are Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14. Christian theologians are welcome to interpret the great War before Creation. . .if they so choose, but the absurdity of the idea is too apparent.4 An examination of the original Hebrew will dispel any illusion that "morning star" is an acceptable substitute for the word "Lucifer." The Hebrew is "helel, ben shachar" which is accurately translated, "Lucifer, son of the morning." The NIV and NASB give an English translation as if the Hebrew said, ''shachar kokab, ben shachar' or morning star, son of the morning (or dawn). Yet the word for star (kokab) appears nowhere in the text. Also 'morning' appears only once, as the KJV shows, not twice as new versions indicate. The word kokab is translated as 'star' dozens of other times by NIV translators; morning or dawn is likewise used hundreds of times. New version editors know boger kokab is 'morning star' since it is used in Job 38:7. If God had intended to communicate 'morning star', he could have repeated it here. The word he chose, helel, appears nowhere else in the Old Testament, just as "Lucifer" appears nowhere else. Why "Morning Star"? The matching of Lucifer with the morning star rises not from the Hebrew bible but from classical mythology, a fount of bitter water not intended by God as our "fountain of living waters" (Jeremiah 17:13). Reference works concede that the switch is based on ". . .classical mythology for the planet Venus. "5 Just because Satan has convinced the heathen world to connect him with Venus, the morning star, is no basis for the repetition of that "myth" by Christian scholars. But II Timothy 4:3, 4 says the time for myths has come. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables, [muthos: from which we get the word •myths'] The ultimate blasphemy occurs when the "morning star" takes "Lucifer's" place in Isaiah 14. Jesus Christ is the "morning star" and is identified as such in Revelation 22:16, 2:28 and II Peter 1:19. With this slight of hand switch, Satan not only slyly slips out of the picture but lives up to his name "the accuser" (Revelation 12:10) by attempting to make Jesus Christ the subject of the diatribe in Isaiah 14. The NASB compounds its role as malefactor by placing the reference, II Peter 1:19, next to Isaiah 14:12 to solidify the notion that the passage refers to Jesus Christ rather than Lucifer. In using this reference the NASB becomes the willing marionette, costumed in sheep's clothing, of ravenous wolves like New Age Rosicrucian leader R. Swineburn Clymer. His occult treatise concurs with the new versions' perversions regarding the daystar. He concludes, In this one short sentence is stated most clearly one of the greatest occult truths. 7 Lucifer's Spar To Be "The Morning Star" With an eye to be ". . .like the most High" (Isaiah 14), Lucifer has tried to infer that he is the "Morning Star." Spanning the gamut from the compendium on black magic, The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall, to the increasingly popular New International Version of the bible, the "Morning Star" is used as a synonym for Lucifer. Hall comments: The pentagram is used extensively in black magic. . .it signifies the fall of the Morning Star.8 Blavatsky echoes, "[T]he pentagram. . .is the Morning Star." In the Theosophical Glossary, used as a major resource of dogma by the New Age we read: [T]he Christian savior is made to say of himself in Revelation XVI:22, [sic] I am the bright morning star or Lucifer. The Christians. . .without suspecting the real meaning. . . greeted the Morning Star, Venus, Lucifer. The Trinity. . . was in truth composed of the Sun (the Father). . .Venus (the Holy Ghost), . . . and Lucifer, as Christ, the bright and morning star. The Verbum (the Word) and Lucifer are one. . . One hundred years ago, Blavatsky's Theosophical Society promoted Krishnamurti, a young Hindu, as "the star from the east" and "the second coming" of Christ. Today the "prince of the power of the air" propagandizes to a new generation through the radio air waves that "a new god. . .is a star from the east. . .another second coming." The sounds have reached the United Nations Plaza where Lucis Trust re-echoes the 'new version' of the facts. Lucifer as here used means. . .the morning star and has no connection whatsoever with Satan. Prior to the "falling away" and apostasy of this current generation of scholars, there was a general consensus that Christ alone was the day star. The old Commentary: Critical and Explanatory of the Old Testament by Robert Jamieson foretold the current name game. Daystar: a title truly belonging to Christ and hereafter to be assumed by antichrist. Likewise timeworn (1913) The Pulpit Commentary: Isaiah by H.D.M. Spence states: [The title daystar is truly Christ's but will be confiscated by the antichrist of whom Babylon is a type and mystical Babylon is a forerunner. And Satan will assume it, who is the spirit that energizes the heathen world power Babylon, that now energizes the apostate church and shall at last energize the secular antichrist. . .and his champion the false prophet. Stages Of Initiation: The first step in Satan's public relations campaign was to remove his name from the indictment in Isaiah 14, which is the only historical non-fictional documentation of his true nature. Evidently it was much easier to excise the one word "Lucifer," than to retain it and replace the remaining verses of chapter 14 with the compliments he has currently deceived New Age leaders into penning. New Age and esoteric literature is replete with references to levels of initiation as a part of their theory of the evolution of consciousness. Overheard on one of my infrequent research visits to the local New Age bookstore was the comment by the owner to a customer selecting a book, "I don't know if you are ready for that; you'd better start with something that doesn't shock a beginner." Expectedly, there are a number of different levels of esoteric understanding among New Agers regarding the identity of Lucifer and Satan. The following five steps represent Satan's progressive and gradual image-transforming campaign. unquote From New Age Bible Versions, page 40 - 45 For the full section on this go to: New Age Bible Versions : G. A. Riplinger, Gail : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive _____________________________________________________- One major point on this. This book tells us that the words for "morning star" are not in the Hebrew of Isaiah 14:12. I don't know what the Latin Bible says but the original Old Testament book of Isaiah and the rest of the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the language of the Jewish nation in antiquity. The Latin Vulgate was written centuries after the New Testament was completed by a Roman Catholic writer. The Jews carefully copied the Old Testament books down through the ages in the Hebrew language. New Age Bible Versions say on page 594: The NKJV and all new versions have abandoned the traditional Old Testament Hebrew, Ben Chayyim Masoretic Text, and follow Rudolph Kittel's 1937 corruption, Biblia Hebraica, which follows Leningrad Ms B 19a. The book New Age Bible Versions says modern version translators changed Isaiah 14:12 and removed Lucifer in order to agree with their "theology". The book explains at great length how New Age thinking has influenced modern translators and modern versions. So they ignored the Masoretic Hebrew Old Testament.

Yes, because The Trans Mountain Pipeline had already existed for around 50 years and was only being upgraded to carry more oil. It is the only pipeline from Alberta to the Pacific and B.C. southeast coast. Therefore the Liberal government had no choice. That pipeline carries oil for fuel for B.C. and the U.S. states on the Pacific coast. But Trudeau was determined not to allow any more pipelines and so killed the Northern Gateway pipeline and the Energy East pipeline proposals after he began his term in 2015.

The main opponents to pipelines are the liberals and left; translated Liberal Party and NDP Party. I think Harper supported the hearings and proposal for the Northern Gateway Pipeline project, but when Trudeau began as PM in 2015, he killed it. The Energy East pipeline would have carried oil to eastern Canadian seaports was cancelled by TransMountain under Trudeau in 2017. Trudeau took over from Harper in 2015. The information on that pipeline in on wikipedia: Energy East - Wikipedia That is one reason Canada is going downhill while the cost of living goes up. Pipelines contribute a massive amount of money and jobs to the Canadian economy. Funny you lefties haven't figured that out yet or don't care. You are blinded by ideology. Canada's natural resources such as oil, gas, aluminum, steel, uranium, and our agricultural products are what makes Canada survive and bring good incomes. We can't compete in manufacturing because of competition from Mexico, Asia, and China where workers get paid a fraction of what Canadians earn. Nope. Natural resources are where our wealth lies. But don't thank the Liberals or NDP for that. They don't get it. By blocking the construction of pipelines to eastern Canada and cancelling the construction of the Northern Gateway pipeline, the Liberals (with NDP support) have really hurt Canada economically. Just another reason Canadians are suffering so much now and many can't afford groceries or to buy a home. There are many reason, but no pipelines is just another.

Resentment for being falsely accused of racism is a natural reaction and should be expected. Trudeau and the liberal-left are trying to create division and resentment so they can say look we were right, there is racism. But resentment is not racism. There is justification for being annoyed and resenting the false accusations of racism that are thrown around. The liberal, left should really get down on their knees and beg God for forgiveness for being troublemakers and causing division between Canadians.

Trump reportedly said down with windmills. I Agree. They are a blight on the landscape and ruin the beauty of the land. Canada is rich in natural resources such as oil, natural gas, and uranium. We don't need to wreck our landscape with these huge monsters. Southern Alberta has a lot of them, yet they are rich in energy resources. It make no sense. Hopefully the Conservatives will do something about this too. The NDP in B.C. has shunned small nuclear energy reactors. They also have been dragging their feet about natural gas development and liquifaction plants. Many countries have asked to buy Canada's natural gas, yet the Trudeau government has turned them down. This is insane. The Liberals and NDP are wrecking Canada by not utilizing the tremendous wealth we have in natural gas, and other resources. This could help lift the standard of living of Canadians and help thousands of young people to get good - paying jobs, buy homes, and raise families. But they are being denied the opportunity by our governments in Canada. Another problem in connection with this is the approval and permit processes to develop natural resources. It takes years to get approval for a mine or other resource development project. We are also being slowed down and blocked by FN and environmental groups who oppose any resource development. Some FNs do want development and the resulting good-paying jobs they will get. But there is no much bureaucracy and groups opposing everything, this country is in a real mess.

Right at the beginning of this interview, PP pointed out that to build a new home in Vancouver, BC, more money goes to bureaucrats than to the plumbers, electricians, and carpenters who build the home. This is very tragic. Watch out bureaucrats and politicians behind them. The Conservative Party is coming for you. Municipal mayors and councils, wake up and stop shafting the citizens and families of this great country. Infrastructure support will be cut off if you don't get your act together and stop what you are doing to the citizens. Maybe conservatives can find some more ways to put real pressure on these people who are wrecking our country.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ottawa-to-spend-400k-to-scrap-canadian-coast-guard-ship-destroyed-by-vandals-six-years-ago/ar-AA1wTVMK?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=ef15632b813242e8b92de6f425cafe02&ei=35 The story of this Coast Guard ship has been one disaster after another in mismanagement. In the end, this is waste and mismanagement of taxpayer's money. " S Corporal McLaren M.M.V. will have the unfortunate honour of having spent the majority of its 10 years of service as a boat-shaped hunk of metal more accustomed to dry land than swelling seas. Last fall, the coast guard awarded a $412,000 contract to Marine Recycling Corporation to “ recycle, through ship breaking, the CCGS Corporal McLaren ” after the ship was deemed “surplus” after only a decade of existence. It’s the end of a saga that has stumped both police and procurement experts over the years. It began in November 2018, just five years into ship’s service, when the Hero-class vessel was ruined after vandals broke into the Nova Scotia shipyard overnight where the ship was being refit and cut some of the cables keeping it out of the water. When shipyard employees at Canadian Maritime Engineering (CME) arrived at work the next morning, they discovered an extraordinary scene: the 42.8-meter vessel partially capsized and submerged in the frigid waters of Sambro Harbour, support cables hanging loosely off one of its sides. Ottawa awards docking contract to same company it's suing over damaged ship Davie Shipyard suing Ottawa to prevent any disclosure of shipbuilding strategy deal The vessel — named after Medal of Military Valour-recipient Cpl. Mark Robert McLaren who was killed by an improvised explosive device while serving in Afghanistan in 2008 — remained partially submerged for over a week before it was refloated, according to Fisheries and Oceans Canada spokesperson Craig Macartney. In a lawsuit against CME filed years later, the coast guard claimed the vandals caused $14 million in damage due to CME’s negligence. The company denied any wrongdoing and said in court filings that its shipyard also sustained significant damage. At the time, Halifax police quickly determined the damage was likely caused by vandals who walked onto the site — which had no fencing, according to reports by Global News — and cut the support cables."

My mistake. I watched the 2024 interview on my smart TV and thought when I did a search on the computer to find it for posting here, I had the same video, but I made a mistake. I put the correct one in the OP now. Thanks. It is a very good interview.

The interview explains how the cost of living for Canadians has become a major disaster and what PP and the Conservatives will do about it. Home ownership is out of sight for young people which inhibits their ability to have families. The size of the federal bureaucracy has increased by 40% under Trudeau. The cost of homes means it would take 29 years for a young person to save up enough money for the down payment. This means they could not raise a family and own a home. The federal deficit of 62 billion dollars in the past year means a debt of $6,000 for each Canadian. This interview answers what the Conservatives plan to do about it.

It is my business to see that the Canadian Forces is run properly as it is everyone's business. They are serving Canadians and we pay for them. Women's rights and safety should not be put at risk. Simple eh!

quote The Doctrine of Satan: The Name Game "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou Shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms, that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?" Isaiah 14: 12-17 In Lucifer's boastful cry, "I will be like the most High," discontentment weighs on every word; the anointed cherub wanted an PRAYING TO A NEW GOD: LUCIFER • 41 identity change. The new persona he wished to pursue included the response of worship from whomsoever would. This is seen in his appeal to Jesus Christ to "fall down and worship me," recorded in Matthew 4:9. Unfortunately his ambition will be fulfilled, as seen in Revelation 13:4, "and they worshipped the dragon." Revelation 12:9 identifies, "the great dragon [as]. , .that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan." for the whole article go to New Age Bible Versions archive.org on a search line. Almost all modern versions of the Bible have taken Lucifer (Satan) out of Isaiah 14:12 KJV and put "morning star" in his place. In fact morning star is another name for Jesus Christ in a number of other verses in the Bible. This corruption makes no sense at all.

I have in fact responded to most of your comments. If there is a specific argument which I missed please give it again in one simple post. _______________________ Here are two examples of serious corruption in modern versions. This is a drop in the bucket. Micah 5:2 " 2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. " KJV The NIV says: "“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” Micah 5:2 NIV The KJV speaks about Jesus Christ being everlasting. The NIV speaks about Jesus Christ being from ancient times, not everlasting. Check Isaiah 14:12 "12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14:14 KJV This describes the fall of Lucifer from heaven. Lucifer's name became Satan. Now see what the NASB says in Isaiah 14:12: "How you have fallen from heaven, You [a]star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who defeated the nations!" Notice the name Lucifer has been removed and replaced with "star of the morning". The NIV says in Isaiah 14:12: "How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" Notice how the NASB and NIV changed Lucifer to star of the morning or morning star. The fact is morning star is a title for Jesus Christ in Revelation 22:16 KJV "16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." So Lucifer has been elevated to morning star in the modern versions. Yet Jesus Christ is identified as morning star in Rev. 22:16, 2:28, and 2 Peter 1:19 in the KJV The fact is "morning star" is not in the Hebrew.

I gave lots of responses and tons of information which I doubt you bothered to even read. What specific argument did you make that I did not answer? Just give one argument so we can deal with it.

What???? A few corrupt manuscripts were found and used in the 1881 revised Greek New Testament by Westcott and Hort, but they have no validity to them and have no legitimacy to claim they are superior to the Received Text or majority of manuscripts which were used for the past 1,900 years. It's really quite simple. Would you be willing to watch a youtube video on this? If so, do a search for New World Order Bible Versions and you should find it.

The dead sea scrolls have nothing at all to do with the New Testament and do not affect the Old Testament. They are irrelevant to the issue of the versions.

Actually this book goes into how many doctrines are attacked and changed in various verses. 1. The deity of Christ is attacked. 2. The virgin birth of Christ is attacked. 3. Salvation by faith in Jesus Christ is attacked. There are many other basic doctrines which are attacked. Quote TABLE OF Contents Introduction. OVERVIEW: THE MESSAGE, THE MEN AND THE MANUSCRIPTS 1 The Mandate: Infiltrate 9 THE MESSAGE PART ONE THEY WORSHIPPED THE DRAGON 2 Praying to a New God 39 3 Your Father, the Devil 56 4 The Dragon 74 5 The One vs. the Holy One 76 6 His Marie & Masquerade 98 7 Mystery Babylon the Great 120 8 Seven Hills: Spires of Satan's Church 133 PART TWO THE NEW CHRISTIANITY 9 Men ShaU Be Unholy 152 10 Self-Esteem Dream 177 11 King James for Kids 195 12 Finally: They Worshipped Devils 218 PART THREE ANOTHER GOSPEL & ANOTHER GOD 13 Another Gospel 229 14 Initiated or In Christ 236 15 Striving or Saved 250 16 Gospels & Gods of the New Age 259 17 The New Earth or A New Age 280 18 Judgement or Interment 290 PART FOUR CHRIST OR ANTICHRIST 19 Antichrist Is Here 301 20 Test 1 for Antichrist 309 21 Antichrist: The Worid Teacher 322 22 King of Kings & Lord of Lords 330 23 Test 2 for Antichrist 334 24 Test 3 for Antichrist 351 25 Resurrection or Reincarnation 355 26 The Ascended Christ or Antichrist 360 27 The Final Blow 367 28 The Godhead's Gone 373 THE MEN & THE MANUSCRIPTS PART ONE THE MEN 29 The Serpent's Scribes 391 30 The Necromancers 397 31 The 'New' Greek & Ghosts 429 32 Silenced Scribes Summon Psychology 443 33 The Epitaph of Philip Schaff 457 PART TWO THE MANUSCRIPTS 34 The Majority Text 467 35 The Earliest Manuscripts 480 36 The Modem Greek Editions 492 37 Inspiration & Preservation 504 PART THREE BACK TO THE FUTURE 38 The Western Roots of the New Age & New Versions 515 39 The 1% Manuscripts 545 40 The Final Bible! 555 41 The Black Lodge 584 42 Lucifer's Lexicons 591 EPILOGUE APPENDICES A Summary: Westcott & Hort 616 B TheKJV and the Earliest Manuscripts 630 C The Seven Seals 635 NOTES DO YOU HAVE A HOLY BIBLE? unquote -Contents of New Age Bible Versions

I have given you several significant changes but you rejected them and claim now it is insignificant. The book I pointed out is about 690 pages long and has a massive amount of information. Do you seriously expect me to spend my life copying the hundreds of pages of information to spoon feed you here because you are too lazy to get the book or read it online? You know well it is impossible to give you the tons of information exposing the modern versions in postings on here or you should know. The information I have is Frank Logsdon was one of the key figures in producing the NASV. He recanted and this is what he said: "1 must under God renounce every attachment to the New American Standard. . .I'm afraid I'm in trouble with the Lord. . .We laid the groundwork; I wrote the format; I helped interview some of the translators; I sat with the translator; I wrote the preface. . . I'm in trouble; I can't refute these arguments; its wrong, it's terribly wrong; it's frighteningly wrong; and what am I going to do about it?. . I can no longer ignore these criticisms I am hearing and I can't refute them. . . When questions began to reach me at first I was quite offended. However, in attempting to answer, I began to sense that something was not right about the NASV. Upon investigation, I wrote my very dear friend, Mr. Lockman, explaining that I was forced to renounce all attachment to the NASV. . .The product is grievous to my heart and helps to complicate matters in these already troublous times. . .The deletions are absolutely frightening. . .there are so many. . .Are we so naive that we do not suspect Satanic deception in all of this?... I don't want anything to do with it. . . [T]he finest leaders that we have today. . .haven't gone into it [the new version's use of a corrupted Greek text], just as I hadn't gone into it. . .That's how easily one can be deceived. . .I'm going to talk to hun [Dr. George Sweeting, then president of Moody Bible Institute] about these things. . • [Y]ou can say the Authorized Version [KJV] is absolutely correct How correct? 100% correct!. . . If you must stand against everyone else, stand. Dr. Frank Logsdon unquote In the introduction to New Age Bible Versions

Simply put, the KJV is based on a overwhelming majority of manuscripts that have been believed to accurately give us the New Testament for the past 1,900 years. Then in the 1800s, a few corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts were found that were a little older, but disagreed with the overwhelming majority of manuscripts used for the past 1,900 years. They disagree with thousands of manuscripts and parts of manuscripts that have been found since the 1611 Authorized Version came out. But based on the theory of two heretics, Westcott and Hort, who produced a New Greek N.T. in 1881, modern Bible producers accepted this claim as legitimate. The overwhelming manuscript evidence proves the handful of corrupt manuscripts should never have been accepted. But there is money to be made in producing new Bibles and translations which is what happened. You say you are not interested in reading books or articles on it and want me to spoon feed you the proof, but you reject anything I say. So what are you doing here? You don't want to know anything.

He was a co-founder of the NASV and when he saw how wrong it was, he distanced himself and does not support it. You need to look into that. I can't spoon feed you with every detail as you seem to demand. You don't have to prove anything to me. I have been reading about this for years. You are the one in total ignorance.

No they're not from the same manuscripts. As this conclusion says: YOU ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING ERROR OF THE MOST DEADLY NATURE quote Conclusion Note to my readers If you are trusting a new version of the Bible, please consider the monumental evidence to the fact that the whole result of a translation based upon the Oldest and Best Manuscripts, is deceit and departure from the faith "as it was once delivered to the saints". The inevitable result is apostasy. If at this moment you have feelings of anger and resentment; this indicates that the spirit of error is at work. Horts ghastly prophecy is being fulfilled. The power and influence of the occult is at work, seeking to destroy your faith. Someone cries, "the new versions are easier to understand!" I agree that this is so; but an honest appraisal of the evidence shows indisputably that you are understanding error of the most deadly nature. In order that the devil may have a one world religion, the doctrine of the Deity of Christ must be destroyed. Having pictured the Lord of Glory, the Prince of Peace, the Creator of the Universe, the Only Begotten Son of God the Father, as being simply one of a number of religious leaders, the stage is set for the destruction of the soul, and the soon to be destroyed Church of the antichrist to be set up. Question - do YOU want to be part of that which is on its way to perdition? "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other Name under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12 THAT NAME IS JESUS! Copyrighted May 1989 All capitals within the quotations have been provided for emphasis by C.J.C. . maranath.ca/OLDBEST.HTM#Conclusion

That is completely false. I already explained that numerous times. This essay goes into the few corrupt manuscripts which modern versions are based on. You will have to go to this link if you want to learn about it .maranath.ca/OLDBEST.HTM The Contents are: Chapter Headings Introduction Three Witnesses Against the "Oldest and Best" Herman Hoskier John William Burgon Prebendary H. Scrivener Various Board Members SINAITICUS Antiquity Penmanship Correctors Readings Examined Five Famous Uncials VATICANUS Omissions Genesis Psalms The Lord's Prayer 1 Timothy 2 Timothy Titus Hebrews To heal the broken hearted HORT ROME Infiltration The Firstborn By Himself Catholic Error 1 Timothy 3:16 Conclusion

You don't appear to understand what this all about at all. I tried to explain the KJV is based on the Received Text which is supported by the vast majority of copies of manuscripts. The modern versions are based on a few corrupt manuscripts pulled out in the 1800s. If you don't want to read anything, that is your choice.

Certainly is. quote CHAPTER THIRTY The Necromancers A cannon ball, in the form of a new and altered Greek New Testament text, was catapulted in the 1880's by two pirates, Brooke Foss Westcott and Fenton John Anthony Hort; it carries its doctrinal deathblow into the laps of unsuspecting Christians holding translations of this text. These new versions exhibit deep trenches in the text as a result of this barrage. Qefts in the content include the ascension, the deity of Christ, the Trinity, the virgin birth, New Testament salvations (e.g., Paul, the Ethiopian eunuch, the thief on the cross) and an army of other victims. These two swashbucklers approached the written word with a sword much like the soldier who pierced the side of the living Word. The sound of a 'New World Religion' echoes back from these sounding boards framed with the theories and philosophies of Westcott and Hort. The body of standard Christian reference works affirm their pivotal and powerful role in this war of words. Scanning the major works will document the singularity and paramountcy of their role. John R. Kohlenberger, spokesperson for Zondervan, (publisher of the NASB, Living Bible, Amplified Bible, NIV, and RSV) is author of a Hebrew/NIV Interlinear, as well as, Words about the Word: A Guide to Choosing and Using Your Bible. He discloses: Westcott and Hort. . .all subsequent versions from the Revised Version (1881) to those of the present. . .have 398 • NEW AGE VERSIONS adopted their basic approach. . .[and] accepted the Westcott and Hort [Greek] text.i He goes on to salute Westcott's, A General Survey of the History of the Canon of the New Testament, saying,"This century old classic remains a standard. "2 Christians may not return the salute, but ask why the work of esoterics are "standards" and "classics" for the body of Christ. Baker Book House, publisher of half-a-dozen modem translations, also prints a bible selection guide entitled, The King James Version Debate. Author D.A. Carson admits: [T]he theories of Westcott and Hort. . .[are] almost universally accepted today. . .It is on this basis that Bible translators since 1881 have, as compared with the King James Version, left out some things and added a few others. Subsequent textual critical work accepted the theories of Westcott and Hort. The vast majority of evangelical scholars. . .hold that the basic textual theories of Westcott and Hort were right and the church stands greatly in their debt.3 The error of their textual theories and their recent abandonment by many scholars, in spite of Carson's last comment, will be discussed in a later section. In spite of this increasing elbowroom, their revised Greek text is still almost a mirror image of that used to translate the NIV, NASB, and all other new versions. Dr. E.F. Hills, Princeton and Harvard scholar, impresses, the ''New International Version. . .follows the critical Westcott and Hort text."4 Philip W. Comfort's recent Early Manuscripts and Modern Translations of the New Testament concedes: But textual critics have not been able to advance beyond Hort in formalizing a theory. . .this has troubled certain textual scholars. . .5 Even abbreviated histories of the canon, in reference works like Halley's Bible Handbook and Young's Concordance observe, "For the English speaking world the work of B.F. Westcott has proved of abiding worth. "6 "The New Testament Westcott and Hort THE NECROMANCERS • 399 Greek texts, which, in the main, are the exact original Bible words. . ."7 J. H. Greenlee's Introduction to New Testament Textual Criticism (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Erdmanns Publishers Co., 1964, p. 78) adds: The textual theories of W-H underhes virtually all subsequent work in NT textual criticism. Scholarly books, articles and critical editions of the Greek New Testament are slowly abandoning the readings of Westcott and Hort in their 'Newest' Greek texts. Yet the pews are piled high with the W-H offerings like the NIV, NASB and Living Bible. Wilbur N. Pickering, author of The Identity of the New Testament Text (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1980), pp. 38, 42, 96, 90) reveals: The dead hand of Fenton John Anthony Hort lies heavy upon us. (Colwell) The two most popular manual editions of the Greek text today, Nestles-Aland and U.B.S. (United Bible Society) really vary little from the W-H text. Why is this? Westcott and Hort are generally credited with having furnished the death blow [to the KJV and the Greek Text which was used for the previous 1880 years]. Subsequent scholarship has tended to recognize Hort's mistake. The W-H critical theory is erroneous at every point. Our conclusions concerning the theory apply also to any Greek text constructed on the basis of it [Nestle's-Aland, UBS etc.], as well as those versions based on such texts [NIV, NASB, Good Newsfor Modern Man, NEB, L.B., etc.] H.C. Hoskier's A Full Account and Collation of the Greek Cursive Codex Evangelism 604 (London: David Nutt. 1890), Introduction, pp. cxv-cxvi) and Codex Bmd Its Allies—A Study and an Indictment. (2 vols. London: Bernard Quaritch Ltd., 1914) notes: The text printed by Westcott and Hort has been accepted as 'the true text', and grammars, works on the synoptic problem, works on higher criticism, and others have been grounded on this text. . .These foundations must be demolished. unquote --New Age Bible Versions, chap. Thirty. pages 397 - 399.