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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:
And you can't condone and advocate other people breaking the law and then somehow pretend to be morally outraged because you feel that trump didn't obey the laws and now it's a horrible terrible thing for someone to do that.
Nonsense. I never condoned criminal behavior. I just see people who are desperate to save their families and escape poverty and criminal gangs in central America as understandable. I believe many of them have been working in the farming industry, restaurants, and hotels, etc. to feed their families. Many are not criminals other than they came to America to try to save their families. In the circumstances they came, I don't see that as a crime. It is fascist to treat them like normal criminals. I have changed my views on this recently since I see what is going on and how they are being treated by masked men. There needs to be more empathy for people who are really trying to do their best to help themselves and their families and not treat them like scum and bad criminals for political gain.
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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:
If you don't like the laws in your country, then the choice is to change the laws.
I am not talking about changing any laws. There are already laws and Constitutional rights. The subject is not to change the law. The subject is the Trump and his team are ignoring the Constitution, laws, and due process in order to meet his promised quota of deporting undocumented migrants. His has no respect for human rights. That has been made clear.
I have not been a Democratic supporter but I believe most Democrats would respect human rights far more what is happening now. Of course what is happening is unethical and just plain wrong.
Gangs of masked men without any ID shown are going around seizing people and deporting them.
Get off your high horse for a change and accept the truth.
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26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
Neither of those things are true.
He was not sent to torture and death in prison. Again you take a situation and radically inflated beyond all reason. He did face prison time but that is based on the laws of that nation and has nothing to do with America.
Which pretty much nullifies the second part. And again the courts concerns weren't that he was being sent back to the circumstances that he faced, the court's concern was that he had to be given enough warning beforehand so that he could explore his options
It's impossible to take you seriously when you have to lie in inflate to try and make your point. Obviously you know you're wrong or you wouldn't, the truth would be enough for you. But you throw the truth out the window and those who aren't in elementary school can see that
Avgain you are talking only about Garcia. I was referring several hundred who knowingly were sent to the notorious prison.
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The strange thing is we have annual remembrances for the 14 women murdered and 14 other people injured at École Polytechnique in Montreal, QC December 6, 1989, in the deadliest mass shooting in Canadian history. I am not sure if more people were murdered by the fake police officer in Nova Scotia a few years ago. They were both terrible massacres. The Air India bombing was far worse, but little is said about the massacre of 329 people, of which 268 are Canadians. Today is the 40th anniversary of the Air India bombing. How much are we hearing on the news?
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3 hours ago, CdnFox said:
There was due process, the human rights were not violated,
Sending people to torture and death prison where human rights violations is the normal speaks for itself. That you defend that speaks for itself.
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That was the Air India bombing over the Atlantic that killed 329 people onboard of which 268 were Canadian citizens.
The court cases that followed over the next 20 or 25 years were a disaster as well and the authorities such as CSIS bungled it big time.
"In the aftermath of the attack, only one person, Inderjit Singh Reyat, was convicted of perjury and sentenced to nine years. He apparently got out on parole after serving two-thirds of his sentence. The other suspects were acquitted. CSIS reportedly destroyed all the wire-tap evidence, fearing that the police would leak some names to the public. So nobody was actually convicted for the bombing.
Only 29 per cent of Canadians can report accurately that nobody was convicted; in 2023, when pollsters asked the same question, 34 per cent knew the truth."
Majority of Canadians say Air India bombing not treated like national tragedy: poll
Air India bomb maker to serve longest perjury sentence | CBC News
So those who were behind this tragedy were never brought to justice for the death of 329 people including 268 Canadians onboard the flight.
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49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
And in addition they got the guy back.
So they brought one guy back that we know of because his case was a major continuous news story and received a lot of attention. He was sent there illegally in the first place. The fact is Trump sent hundreds of migrants to the CECOT prison. There is no sign of them being brought back.
Trump sent hundreds to a death trap. Why don't you be honest??
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Inside the El Salvador mega-prison where Trump is sending hundreds of immigrants
Inmates are kept in cells with scores of others and denied access to visitors and recreation.
US deports over 200 Venezuelan immigrants to El Salvador despite court ban
El Salvador's mega-prison, the centerpiece of its controversial anti-crime strategy, has become the latest holding ground for US deportees.
Hundreds of immigrants, alleged by US authorities to be members of Venezuela's notorious Tren de Aragua gang, were transferred to the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) on Sunday.
This move comes as part of a $6 million agreement between the Trump administration and El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele, providing the US with a year's worth of detention services.
The CECOT, opened in 2023, stands as a stark symbol of Bukele's iron-fisted approach to crime. Within its walls, inmates are denied access to visitation, recreation, and education.
The transfer of the immigrants to the facility occurred despite a federal judge's order temporarily halting deportations under an 18th-century wartime declaration targeting Venezuelan gang members.
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38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
And all I can say is you're being a complete dingbat and making an ass of yourself
Yea that's your usual response to anyone that disagrees. That tells it all.
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9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
This does not mean there are human rights violations, but that's what you jump to
These people are being deported within the law. If you don't like that, then what needs to happen is the law needs to change.
Your rhetoric makes it impossible to take you seriously
Wow, it is so obvious he violated many people's human rights in sending many people to a infamous torture/death prison in El Salvador and you totally ignore that and claim he isn't violating people's rights. Wow is all I can say. I wouldn't trust anybody who claimed that was not a violation of human rights. There were no trials. People were arrested based on things like tatoos or just the fact they were undocumented migrants and maybe dressed strange and associated with questionable characters or had no job or even worked in a job. On that basis they were just deported there. That is no due process at all. It is a complete lack of respect for human rights and laws. It is based on racism and politics to meet a deportation quota to appease his MAGA base.
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2 hours ago, Matthew said:On 6/19/2025 at 3:07 PM, taxme said:
My rationale tells me that illegals have no right to due process. They entered America illegally and are now seen as criminals for doing so.
So you're rationale here is that committing a criminal act reliquishes someone's legal rights?
On 6/19/2025 at 3:07 PM, taxme said:Of course convicted American murderers have certain rights in the USA, including due process because they are American citizens.
But now here you're admitting the reality that committing a crime does not relinquish one's legal rights. Instead you're resorting back your other flawed rationale that only US citizens have legal rights in the US, which I've already demonstated to be false.
Taxme has a history of anti-Israel anti-Semitic posts. So of course he thinks undocumented migrants have no rights. He doesn't even believe the Hamas attack on Oct. 7th happened and rejects any news reports that go against his Nazi ideology.
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On 6/21/2025 at 5:17 PM, CdnFox said:
Well and there's the answer. It's fundamentally wrong to blame Trump for enforcing the law. If you don't like the law then demand that the law be changed and propose a new law. Otherwise the law should be enforced
Trump doesn't always follow the law. That has been well reported in the news.
He also illegally sent people to the dangerous and harmful CECOT prison in El Salvador. That is a serious violation of human rights.
So no Trump goes against human rights and due process. It is dumb to claim he enforces the law.
This is what a law school says:
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Legal Rights of Undocumented Immigrants in the U.S.
Are undocumented immigrants treated the same under the law as lawful residents of the U.S.?
By Ilona Bray, J.D.·University of Washington School of Law
Updated: Jan 27th, 2025
Why Trust Us?
Undocumented (sometimes called "illegal") immigrants living and perhaps working in the United States have some rights under the U.S. Constitution, despite their unlawful immigration status. Aspects of the Constitution that address certain basic human rights apply to all people, even those who lack proper documentation. Examples of these rights include:
the right to due process (fair treatment according to established rules and principles) in legal proceedings
the right to have the laws protect you in the same way they do everyone else
the right to a jury trial and to defend yourself if arrested (including arrests by immigration authorities) or sued
the right to organize or be part of a labor union
the right to be protected against unlawful search and seizure
the right not to testify against yourself in court
the right to file a civil lawsuit if you've been harmed, and
the right not to be discriminated against.
Some states grant illegal immigrants various rights as well, such as to apply for a drivers' license (discussed below). California is among those states, and also offers Medi-Cal (a state run health-insurance program for extremely low-income people) to undocumented persons.
If you are an undocumented immigrant in the United States, keep reading to learn more about your rights.
In this article:
Constitutional Rights That Apply to Undocumented Persons
Undocumented Immigrants' Rights to Defense Against Removal
Drivers' Licenses Are Available to Undocumented Immigrants in Some U.S. States
No Right for Undocumented Immigrants to Work in the United States
Employment-Related Rights If Undocumented Immigrant Is Working in the United States
Protections Against Discrimination for Undocumented Immigrants
Possibilities for Undocumented Immigrants to Obtain Legal Status in the U.S.
An Immigration Lawyer Can Help Analyze Your Legal Rights and Possibilities
Constitutional Rights That Apply to Undocumented Persons
Even if you are in the United States without permission or proper immigration documents, various sections of the U.S. Constitution apply to you.
There is a particularly important provision of the Fourteenth Amendment stating that, "No state shall...deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
An undocumented immigrant is definitely a "person." In brief, this means you are owed such procedural rights as a jury trial and the right to defend yourself against the criminal charges if arrested.
It also means that if someone sues you over a civil matter (for example, alleging that you owe money for having breached a contract or done damage to the other person's property), that you have the right to receive notice and to defend yourself in court. Also see "Defense Against Removal," below.
Various criminal charge-related amendments to the Constitution (including the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and 14th) also apply to undocumented persons. These protect against things like unlawful search and seizure by law enforcement authorities (without probable cause and a warrant for such an action). They allow you to stay silent and avoid self-incrimination (testify against your own interests) when in court or custody.
Undocumented immigrants also have the right to file lawsuits, such as discrimination suits, in federal court. State laws vary, but some jurisdictions give an undocumented immigrant the right to sue others in state court, as well.
Undocumented Immigrants' Rights to Defense Against Removal
In most situations, you have the right to a hearing in immigration court and to defend yourself against deportation or removal from the United States.
There are exceptions, however. One known as "expedited removal" allows arriving aliens to be sent back without seeing an immigration judge, except in narrow circumstances such as if they assert a credible fear of return and wish to apply for asylum. The definition of "arriving aliens" is broader than one might think. Under the second Trump administration, it is said to include anyone not inspected by an immigration officer at the border who has been caught anywhere within 100 miles within two years of entry.
Another exception is made if you have returned to the United States after a previous order of deportation. In this case, no further hearings are available to you, and the previous order can be immediately acted upon.
If you are scheduled for a hearing before an immigration judge (in the Executive Office for Immigration Review or EOIR) you can challenge the grounds on which you are being deported or assert various defenses. In presenting your case, you can testify, submit supporting documents, and call witnesses. You also have the right to representation in immigration court by an attorney, but the U.S. government doesn't have to pay for one on your behalf. You may be able to find low-cost legal help from a charitable organization serving immigrants.
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I know stubborn people like Taxme and User won't read this because they prefer to remain in the dark and act like Nazis.
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4 hours ago, taxme said:
They say over approx. 12 - 15 million crossed into America illegally from Mexico.
I already posted an article refuting that. Migrants have been coming in for decades under both Republican and Dem administrations. The numbers have been exaggerated by certain Republicans.
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19 minutes ago, August1991 said:
Strongly disagree.
The United States is not a fascist state
1. Repeating a word or two does not prove anything. Factual evidence is what counts.
2. The subject speaks more about the actions of one leader and his agents in the mass roundup and deportation of people. A large portion of the population disagree with what is going on.
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7 hours ago, taxme said:
Trump has told those illegals that if they leave America voluntarily they will get a free plane ride home and given a thousand dollars to boot and will have a chance to apply to America at a later date.
Trump under the direction of his MAGA supporters are trying to deport every undocumented migrant in America even if they arrived decades ago and have families who are U.S. citizens and if they are not criminals.
That doesn't make any sense. There are likely millions of them who are not criminals. Trump makes much out of the idea that they are criminals as if they are all criminals. But any rational person knows that is false. There is no proof. He doesn't even follow any due process in what he is doing.
Splitting up families and deporting a hard-working bread winner and leaving a wife and kids to try to support themselves is totally wrong. The people doing this have no conscience.
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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:
That's mostly wrong.
It is absolutely nothing remotely like traffic control in a city at all.
I see traffic control as a good comparison. I say that in the sense of control to maintain a stable and reliable system.
The idea is both traffic control and the agricultural industry from production to delivery to the consumer are complex operations which need to be controlled for the good of society. Both require regulation to maintain an orderly operation. That's all I am saying.
Just looked up the definition of Socialism. So yes, it could fall under the definition as Socialism. Socialism is also defined as a form of government control. Supply management is a form of government control. However I don't think it is a form of wealth redistribution. Supply management is for the purpose of maintaining order in the production of the food supply, which I think most people would agree with rather than the anarchy of no control of food production.
We do need government to do a few things which are communal in nature in order to maintain basic services and law and order. Whether someone wants to call everything government does Socialism Is personal preference.
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On 6/19/2025 at 4:45 PM, taxme said:
Tariffs and marketing and more government getting involved with everything is what is causing more problems then they are worth.
I don't think you really know anything at all about supply management or marketing boards in Canada. It is very complex and it is not Socialism.
You might compare it to the traffic control system in a busy city. You have various signs and right of ways, traffic lights, speed limits vary, crosswalks, and rules and regulations.
The supply management system is a controlling system in the same way as traffic control in a city. It's purpose is to prevent anarchy in the agricultural production industry and prevent harm to producers and consumers. So in that way it is similar to the traffic control system in a city which is meant to protect society. That is not Socialism.
There are some here who like to talk big, but they don't know what they are talking about. I would advise you not to follow them.
So before disparaging it and calling it Socialism, you really need to do some studying and learn a bit about what you are talking about. I know it takes time and effort, but you might learn something.
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Ellis Ross, MP says this about the proposed C5 bill:
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ELBOWS UP-liberals will invoke emergency powers to get economy back
Question) Provinces said no, will you push projects through as promised?
ELBOWS DOWN-no, Liberals won’t do anything without 100% consensus
ELBOW UP-Liberals will turn Canada into an energy superpower
Question) Will you repeal your own anti resource laws to get energy to world markets?
ELBOWS DOWN-no, we wont repeal our anti pipeline/tanker laws
ELBOWS UP-Bill C5 will turn Canada into an energy superpower
Question) will you enforce bill c 5 on provinces who have said no?
ELBOWS DOWN-no, we’ll obey BC and Quebec opposition
ELBOWS UP-First Nations don’t have veto powers!!!
Question) will bill C5 override First Nations agreement?
ELBOWS DOWN-no, Liberals won’t approve projects without first nations consent
The fake tough guy act is getting old
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Does this sound familiar? It sounds similar to the Trudeau era liberal policies.
Also PM Carney has given no commitment to abolish C69, the no more pipeline law and no commitment to abolish the tanker ban on the BC north coast, and no commitment to lift the net zero policies, and no commitment to abolish the carbon taxes on the energy industry or the carbon emissions caps. Still wants to force everyone to buy EVs and stop driving gasoline or oil powered vehicles.
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Canada's pushing a two-state solution is completely out of touch with reality. The terrorist groups in the middle east backed by Iran and most Palestinians want to see Israel destroyed. So how would dividing Israel into two to give Palestinians there own state solve anything when they are determined to destroy Israel?
In fact, the problem is much bigger now because Iran has been working on building a nuclear bomb. Reports say they may be only a matter of weeks or month or so from achieving that goal. Their aim is to destroy Israel with a nuclear bomb.
Because Iran is run by radical Islamists, they appear unable or unwilling to change their mind. Why that seems to be their only interest is hard to understand.
The U.S. has a conventional, non-nuclear bomb that reportedly could penetrate the earth deep enough to destroy their main nuclear facility. But the facility is possibly 300 feet down in the earth which is a long way. It remains to be seen if the bomb could actually reach that far. It is a 30,000 lb bomb so who knows. The only alternative may be nuclear weapons, but that greatly increases the possibility of a WW3 nuclear war. Russia, China, and Pakistan are all on the side of Iran and they have nuclear weapons.
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"Trump delivers stark warning to workers on Juneteenth.
Working-class Americans received a stark warning from President Trump as he celebrated Juneteenth by complaining about the excessive amount of federal holidays. Trump issued a directive Thursday night that declared the country is wasting too much money on closing business and said he has considered axing future celebrations.
Too many non-working holidays in America,' he wrote on Truth Social. 'It is costing our Country $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to keep all of these businesses closed. The workers don’t want it either!' The president then speculated that the holiday madness could have a negative impact on the country if something isn't done. 'Soon we’ll end up having a holiday for every once working day of the year,' he said. 'It must change if we are going to, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
Juneteenth, also referred to as Freedom Day or Emancipation Day, commemorates June 19, 1865, when Union soldiers brought the news of freedom to enslaved Black people in Galveston, Texas. Their freedom came more than two years after President Abraham Lincoln liberated slaves in the Confederacy by signing the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War."
Trump delivers stark warning to workers on Juneteenth
What is happening to the great American democracy?
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1 hour ago, taxme said:
I believe in the free enterprise and capitalism system.
Yes, I believe in it too. The problem is we live next door to a very powerful country and in some things like agriculture, we just can't work in the same way as Americans. I don't agree with Socialism either and I agree government meddles in the economy way too much.
The situation with a powerful country like America next door to us means we can't just allow them to completely take over our economy. So having some tools too protect ourselves from the powerful U.S. corporations and power is necessary in certain areas. I wouldn't call that Socialism. It is just acting in self defence in a few areas that are essential to us.
If we let America do what it wants with our economy and businesses, we will get hammered. We need to have some walls or barriers to protect our economy from takeover.
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39 minutes ago, taxme said:
Why does Canada charge 140% tariff on eggs that are shipped to America. Does that seem alright and fair to you?
I don't think that is exactly how it works. The purpose of supply management is to ensure there is a stable agricultural industry in Canada. That is why it exists. The alternative would be to just let the Canadian farm industry freely compete with the American system which is more volatile and unstable and the American industry is many times the size of the Canadian industry. That could be a disaster for Canadian farmers and consumers.
" The stability of supply management avoids the boom-and-bust cycles found in the United States, where taxpayer subsidies are a feature of the dairy industry and where farm bankruptcies and bailouts are not uncommon. Under supply management, there is no need for taxpayer bailouts or subsidies."
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11 minutes ago, taxme said:
Trump is trying to get rid of that criminal scum,
Nobody would oppose that idea if it was done according to the Constitution and due process. The trouble is you don't believe in that.
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2 hours ago, Nationalist said:
Ok...so the Bible constitutes reality on Earth for you. Interesting.
Here is an interesting 3 minute video from Fox News. I never watch Fox News, but came across this short video that explains one interesting and important thing from the Bible. It is not the central message of the Bible, but could be a useful lesson that could help reduce heart attacks, strokes, mental issues, conflicts, stress, and other things if one pays attention. It makes a lot of sense. It teaches us to avoid anger and quick judgment. Keep cool, listen a lot, and be moderate.
Why the Bible provides the right model for 'a dignified culture' today, says author | Watch
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When discriminatory laws and settler violence failed to expel them from the region, the settlers pounded Congress to develop a system of federal immigration control.
In response to their demands, Congress passed the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act, which prohibited Chinese laborers from entering the country for 10 years. The law focused on Chinese laborers, the single largest sector of the Chinese immigrant community. In 1884, Congress required all Chinese laborers admitted before the Exclusion Act was passed to secure a certificate of reentry if they wanted to leave and return. But, in 1888, Congress banned even those with certificates from reentering.
Illustration, ‘How John may dodge the exclusion act’ shows Uncle Sam’s boot kicking a Chinese immigrant off a dock. Library of CongressThen, when the Chinese Exclusion Act was set to expire in 1892, Congress passed the Geary Act, which again banned all Chinese laborers and required all Chinese immigrants to verify their lawful presence by registering with the federal government. The federal authorities were empowered by the law to find, imprison and deport all Chinese immigrants who failed to register by May 1893.
Together, these laws banned a nationally targeted population from entering the United States and invented the first system of mass deportation. Nothing quite like this had ever before been tried in the United States.
Chinese immigrants rebelled against the new laws. In 1888, a laborer named Chae Chan Ping was denied the right of return despite having a reentry certificate and was subsequently confined on a steamship. The Chinese immigrant community hired lawyers to fight his case. The lawyers argued the case up to the U.S. Supreme Court but lost when the court ruled that “the power of exclusion of foreigners [is an] incident of sovereignty belonging to the government of the United States” and “cannot be granted away or restrained on behalf of anyone.”
Simply put, Chae Chan Ping v. U.S. established that Congress and the president hold “absolute” and “unqualified” authority over immigrant entry and exclusion at U.S. borders. unquote
America’s mass deportation system is rooted in racism
It is amusing to see how the racists and MAGAs get their shirts in a knot over this subject.
Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?
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In addition to seizing and deporting thousands of people who are not a danger, we now find out that Trump has expanded his efforts to deport people who were granted legal status to be in the country.
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As Trump pledges mass deportation, he’s creating more undocumented people
More than 1 million people who were granted legal entry to the country under different programs are now considered here illegally by the Trump administration.
Flo, 31, had gone from a bleak future in Haiti to hope for a new life; she had landed a cashier’s job in her new city of Miami after coming to the country legally with a sponsor. Then, President Donald Trump declared that she and more than 1 million other people did not have legal permission to stay in the country.
Trump, seeking to go down in history as the president who carried out the largest mass deportation in U.S. history, deemed that the Biden administration program that allowed Flo and hundreds of thousands of others to legally enter the U.S was actually illegal. Flo asked not to use her full name because of fear of being targeted for deportation.
Trump has pledged to clear the country of people who are illegally here, but the new criteria is expected to significantly expand the pool of undocumented immigrants.
“If you’re looking for the definition of ‘self-fulling prophesy,’ look no further than Trump’s stream of policies that intentionally take legal status away from people so they go from being documented, to undocumented and then are fair game for being deported,” said Angela Kelley, an adviser at the American Immigration Lawyers Association and a former senior adviser on immigration for the Department of Homeland Security under the Biden administration. unquote
How Trump’s deportation pledge is creating more undocumented immigrants