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An engineer investigating the remains of the World Trade Center sees melted girders and other evidence that the towers experienced extreme temperatures on 9/11. Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl is a professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California, Berkeley. He later recalls, “I saw melting of girders in [the] World Trade Center.” [PBS, 5/10/2007] He notes that steel has bent at several connection points that had joined the floors of the WTC to the vertical columns. He describes the connections as being smoothly warped, saying, “If you remember the Salvador Dali paintings with the clocks that are kind of melted—it’s kind of like that.” He adds, “That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot—perhaps around 2,000 degrees.” [CHRONICLE OF HIGHER EDUCATION, 12/7/2001] Astaneh-Asl says that steel flanges have been reduced “from an inch thick to paper thin.” [BERKELEYAN, 10/3/2001] He finds a foot-long twisted shard of steel that is “like a piece of bread, but it was high-strength steel.” He comments, “I haven’t seen anything like this [before].” [BERKELEY DAILY PLANET, 10/20/2001] He finds “severely scorched [steel] members from 40 or so floors below the points of impact [by the planes].” He believes this is the result of the planes having destroyed the elevator walls, thereby allowing burning jet fuel to pour down into the building, igniting fires hundreds of feet below the impact floors. [CBS NEWS, 3/12/2002] Astaneh-Asl sees a charred I-beam from WTC Building 7, which collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11. “The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized.” [NEW YORK TIMES, 10/2/2001] Other individuals will report seeing molten metal in the remains of the World Trade Center in the weeks and months after 9/11 (see September 12, 2001-February 2002), and data collected by NASA reveals dozens of “hot spots” (some over 1,300 degrees Fahrenheit) at Ground Zero (see September 16-23, 2001). But Thomas Eagar—an engineering professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology—later comments that the “temperature of the fire at the WTC [on 9/11] was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel.” [EAGAR AND MUSSO, 12/2001] Yet Astaneh-Asl will later put forward the “tentative” conclusion, “The collapse of the [Twin Towers] was most likely due to the intense fire initiated by the jet fuel of the planes and continued due to burning of the building contents.” [ASTANEH-ASL, 11/30/2003 ] Astaneh-Asl is a member of the team assembled by the American Society of Civil Engineers to investigate the World Trade Center site after 9/11 (see September 12, 2001), though he will resign from this because he disagrees with its decision to keep findings secret until the initial inquiry has been completed. [NEW YORK TIMES, 10/2/2001; ASSOCIATED PRESS, 9/6/2002] http://www.historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=molten+metal+Abolhassan+Astaneh&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go
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From a supporter of the official US government conspiracy theory. "Some reports suggest that the aluminum from the aircraft ignited, creating very high temperatures. While it is possible to ignite aluminum under special conditions, such conditions are not commonly attained in a hydrocarbon-based diffuse flame. In addition, the flame would be white hot, like a giant sparkler. There was no evidence of such aluminum ignition, which would have been visible even through the dense soot." http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html And remember, NIST denied, denied denied that there were explosions, even when there were myriad explosions reported by many firemen, reporters, first responders, ordinary folk, ... . This is all so easily found in the news reports of the day. Day two and on, dead silence from the media. The narrative had been set. The NYT applied to the courts and got a FOIA request for the many firemen that had been debriefed after 911. There are many reports from them describing massive explosions on the ground floor and sun floors of WTC1. One really doesn't have to go past the copious evidence of molten metals that could not have been at WTC, according to the official story. What could have caused this molten steel, molybdenum, iron, vaporized steel? Not jet fuel and office furnishings. 9/11: FEMA investigator Abolhassan Astaneh says, "melting of girders" in WTC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syXpA6B85Ek
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What blacksmiths do is of no consequence to the issue at hand. According to the official US government account, the only possibility was of fuels that can attain a maximum of 1,800F. Supporters of the official story actually describe much lower maximum fire temperatures. [1,382 - 1,472F] "However, it is highly unlikely that the steel at the WTC experienced temperatures above the 750–800°C range." http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html These molten metals of the variety found at WTC should not have been there, ie. there was no legitimate/legal reason for them to be there. That in and of itself, makes the official story false.
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There is so much turmoil in the world. Why? We hear oh so frequently from oh so many sources that this turmoil has come about because of terrorism, specifically one "grouped" terrorist act. We all know what that is and it is truly a lie of gigantic proportions, not unlike all of the other lies of gigantic proportions. Premise: It is completely impossible that the alleged 911 hijackers caused the collapse of WTC towers 1, 2 and 7. Proof one: The existence of molten metals; steel, molybdenum, iron at WTC the existence of vaporized steel at WTC, the existence of nanothermite at WTC all attest to the fact that the alleged hijackers did not cause the collapse of WTC towers 1, 2 and 7. The only fuel that the hijackers are said to have brought to the WTC, according to the official government story, is jet fuel. Add office furnishings and you have fuels that can reach a maximum of about 1,800F. Steel melts at about 2,800F. Molybdenum melts at about 4,700F. Vaporized steel needs higher temperatures. Point TT-6: The Claim that There Was No Molten Steel or Iron in the WTC Point TT-6: Buildings http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/ Pictures of the vaporized steel https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf There are, of course, many other proofs that show that the alleged 911 hijackers did not cause, could not have caused the collapse of WTC towers 1, 2 and 7. There is currently a two year study of WTC7 being conducted at University of Alaska, Fairbanks. It is scheduled for total completion in May 2017. The study is essentially finished and in preliminary reports, the lead professor/engineer said, when asked by a lawyer, and I paraphrase, Lawyer: On a scale of one to a hundred what are the chances the official NIST story of the collapse of WTC7 is true and accurate? Professor: Zero. Lawyer: If a graduate student of yours submitted such a report would you flunk him? Professor: Yes.
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POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?
hot enough replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
No, doing things legally, would have meant that this whole world wide affair of the last roughly 15 years never would have happened. The narrower point is, the right now point is that Trump wanted a Muslim ban. -
POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?
hot enough replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Trump asked for a ‘Muslim ban,’ Giuliani says — and ordered a commission to do it ‘legally’ ... “I'll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.' " https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/trump-asked-for-a-muslim-ban-giuliani-says-and-ordered-a-commission-to-do-it-legally/?utm_term=.e7863b75945c -
POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?
hot enough replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Evil is not subjective. That is an alternate fact. Unless you believe that Hitler wasn't evil and you want to make a case for that. -
POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?
hot enough replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
They are all the same in that they are deeply evil. -
POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?
hot enough replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Muhammad Ali's son detained at airport, asked if he's Muslim, lawyer says ... During his detention, Ali Jr. was asked repeatedly about his lineage and his name, “as if that was a pre-programmed question that was part of a profile,” Mancini said. Ali Jr. and his mother have been frequent global travelers. The family connects their treatment to President Trump’s efforts to restrict immigration after calling during his campaign for a ban on Muslims entering the U.S. “This has never happened to them before,” Mancini said. “They’re asked specifically about their Arabic names. Where they got their names from and whether they’re Muslims. It doesn’t take much to connect those dots to what Trump is doing.” http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muhammad-ali-son-detained-airport-asked-are-you-muslim-lawyer/ -
POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?
hot enough replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Why did you focus on Obama? That only illustrates how sick the whole system is. And all this based on lies, lies and more lies. -
It wasn't all that long ago that crimes like rape, child molestation weren't considered by western nations as such a big deal. Bill Cosby. Catholic Church. The judge who asked a rape victim why she didn't just keep her knees together.
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POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?
hot enough replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
I'm still trying to figure out and learn the intricacies of the forum regulations. There, it states, " If you are stating a fact, be prepared to back it up with some official sources (website links etc)." I would be interested in seeing a source substantiating this fact. -
POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?
hot enough replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Could you provide a source, a factual source for this fact? -
POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?
hot enough replied to betsy's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
I'm sure that the refugees in the camps were all watching on their big screen ,plasma TVs. Of course, Trump has valid reasons, but they are all political; there is nothing reasonable about them. They play to his base, they perpetuate the already voluminous lies that have been the sole reason for this whole worldwide schmozzle - the "radical Islam" theme. -
Oh, but they have, in much, much more comical fashion. Not saying anything about the terrorist actions of western nations is the new, strictly prohibited blasphemy.
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So-called refugees crossing Manitoba/American border.
hot enough replied to taxme's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Just who are these whiners? -
So-called refugees crossing Manitoba/American border.
hot enough replied to taxme's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
So, roughly $12.83 per Canadian. What's that these days, 1/8 of a line of coke, 2 beers, ... ? -
As does Canada, Australia, ... . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law#Canada
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Some US states still have blasphemy laws, and if that doesn't stick, sedition will.
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Thank you. Has anyone figured out my number?