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Why are you avoiding the truth? The USA has no right whatsoever to determine how countries organize themselves. You are simply repeating gross propaganda. Eisenhower knew that the people of Vietnam would vote overwhelmingly for Ho Chi Minh, something like 80 to 90 percent, so the US scuttled the UN sponsored elections. Minh was not a communist, he was a nationalist and he said he would be whatever he had to be to acquire independence for his country.

This information is so easy to find. It comes from US government sources. That you don't know is highly illustrative of just how good the US propaganda system is.

Why do you discuss various military incursions, Army Guy, and ipi discusses various US incursions, OftenWrong relates lies about the west but when I discuss the same issues or point out their errors, you leap all over me, telling me that it's not the topic of the thread?

Since you seem to have the inside track on the mind of this man, please explain, in comprehensible prose, in less than 30,000 words, why he did what he did?

I'm not anti American, I am anti US war crimes and anti US terrorism. Are you pro-US war crimes and pro-US terrorism? Why? Yes, I know that the world is full of tyrannical dictatorships and a large majority of them are supported by the USA. I am on the side of those who have had their countries illegally invaded, over 70 since WWII, those tens of millions who have been slaughtered by the US since WWII, those hundreds of millions who have had their loved ones and their wealth taken from them by US predation. Whose side are you on?

The driving force is christian USA. It sure as hell ain't the Quakers.

That number has to be moved to the murdered by US side of the ledger. Science is perfectly clear, the alleged hijackers did not cause the collapse of the three towers. Osama bin Laden, according to the FBI, was not involved in 911.

Where the hell did ISIS come from? The US made/caused them with their illegal invasion of a sovereign naion and the US owns any and all evil they have since produced.

Yup, but war crimes are not war. That is the huge distinction that you, hunkered down in your anti-Muslim mindset, fail to see. Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from phony patriotism - Me

Go conservatives go, try to get your O'Trump elected.

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The point that you are trying so desperately to avoid is that the US school system is every bit as propagandist as the Madrassas.

Do you know how many US militants invaded, illegally, Iraq and Afghanisan? Do you know how long this same history has repeated itself?

Not everyone wants to hitch their wagon to a band of war criminals and terrorists. But I respect your right to do so.

As did German soldiers in WWII, even the ones that helped run the death camps. Likely there were a lot of reluctant ones, who knew the lies but had no choice. We have a choice and still there are those who avidly support the big lies.

However, you don't want your personal world view hampered by the truth.

Killing civilians wasn't the main goal, but they were killed along the way intentionally. So still classifies as terrorism.

The Americans were happy to do business with both the Japanese and Nazi Germany before the war and right into the war, in the case of Germany. The US never cared what these countries were doing as long as they weren't cut out of the pie. The US and Britain teamed up on Japan with other European powers, not because Japan was doing bad things, but because Japan looked to be the new power in SE Asia.

You are simply a propagandist, by your own admission. You don't read articles, you don't address or discuss the science, you simply dish up propaganda.

What do you not understand by the STATE of Israel?

Muslims have been victims, the victims of illegal attacks on their countries, which far outweigh any attacks on the western illegal invaders. It doesn't help your case to always be crying wolf or running around screaming, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling". Why do you keep repeating this self-delusion, above?

I meant in the Conservative leader race.

Who isn't extreme?

Why do you continue to advance this huge lie? It was started by the USA, as it always is, always with lies? The lies of WMDs, the lies of 911, the lies of Afghanistan, the lies on top of lies on top of lies - the sum total of US history.

That is certainly scientifically reassuring.