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The issue that you are having such difficulty with are you oh so wholesome and saintly christians who are wagging your stunningly hypocritical fingers at others while you still support genocide with your acceptance and silence.

I was referring to the genocide against First Nations. Isn't genocide evil in your mind?

I'm shocked! Argus, a fine upstanding conservative citizen countenances breaking the law.

[coughs]

The wider Christian community who actively participated in genocide, that wider Christian community? The ones who seem to be silent now as the world goes through more. [I know there have to be some good christians]

And you don't like to discuss the hard issues, ones that college graduates should not shrink from, ones that illustrate that you are supporting war crimes and terrorism equal to what the Nazis did, war crimes that saw them hang.

Have you been to one of their weddings? Do they dance, celebrate with food and drink? Avoiding the big issues isn't really indicative of honesty.

Just as you, Argus, wouldn't expect to be robbed or murdered or sodomized or assaulted or anything else we don't expect to happen, so too should women expect the same thing when it comes to not being raped.

I am reluctant to describe the verboten topic but that is exactly what your governments have asked you all to do, accept huge, totally unbelievable lies. And you all not only accept them, these lies that have seen millions murdered, you actually keep providing enthusiastic support for them. Tell me again why the German people were castigated for their silence on the Holocaust.

You missed the folks in Creston, BC.

That is really hilarious. What country is it that brags about, that is seeking Full Spectrum Dominance. What country is it that has invaded myriad countries, murdered without any restraint, all to steal the bread from children's mouths. Now that is christianity!

“It's not radical Islam that worries the US -- it's independence” ― Noam Chomsky There is no radical Islam, soft or hard. There are many, many who are fed up with western nations pillaging their lands and murdering their children. Remember, international law defines the US/UK and the other war criminals as the ones who are responsible for all the war crimes and other crimes that flow from their first, their supreme war crime, the illegal invasions of sovereign nations. The US et al has created and nurtured the evil that haunts the world. It has been doing so for well over a century. What of the rank deniers of such vicious war crimes? Well, the people of Germany sat by while unspeakable evil was perpetrated by their government. Would they have sat idly by had theirs been a "democracy", like we have in the west? Why are there so many westerners who sit silent while the unspeakable crimes of the US/UK/... go on? Why is there this large, vocal group who actually plump for these vicious crimes, defend these vicious crimes, give support to what Noam Chomsky describes above, the real reason for US war crimes?

And still, they ruminate, pretending they have a say in the slaughter of innocents. You tax dollars, going to help western governments murder children. "The general public are viewed as no more than ignorant and meddlesome outsiders, a bewildered herd. And it's the responsible men who have to make decisions and to protect society from the trampling and rage of the bewildered herd. Now since it's a democracy they - the herd, that is - are permitted occasionally to lend their weight to one or another member of the responsible class. That's called an election." -Noam Chomsky Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it for Iraq's non existent WMD's

It must be nice to be such a kind, loving, gentle evangelical christian.

Your comments have illustrated just how great is your reluctance to "look". What could you possibly be afraid of?

Isn't there a term, a phrase, an idiom for this, someone who really ought not to be pointing fingers pointing fingers?

Has no one else noticed the contradiction in terms?

The point is the US uses racism to invade wealthy third world nations. Is it not racist, besides being other equally evil things, for the US State Department to be making up death lists for its dictators?

Those have all had their day. Do you really have this abysmal a knowledge of history? They just aren't needed right now. The US/UK war criminals don't want to invade India.

If it has worked so well, why are there so many racial epithets invented by the USA to ensure that another illegal invasion can proceed?

A likely tale. Why would anyone believe someone who is too much of a coward to look at the facts?

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." - H. L. Mencken Isn't this the truth? The biggest liars of all, the founding fathers - a phrase that oozes propaganda, are admired as gods, when they were nothing but terrorists who overthrew the existing government just so they could replace it and keep all the loot for themselves. Just one band of gangsters replacing another band of gangsters. All men are created equal, right!! It was enshrined in the top document, Indians are, what, 3/5 of a person? True, after the massacres! Blacks have never seen equality to this day. Count all the other ethnic groups who were never equals, virtually all the peoples of the world who had racist slurs substituted for their ethnic group, just to help US citizens hate these people enough to encourage support for another illegal invasion. "We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that this time the government is telling us the truth." Sydney Schanberg "If you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you're stupid." Arthur Sylvester, assistant secretary of defense for public affairs, to American journalists, 1965 But still there are some who believe.

Why wouldn't you actually find out what has been said before making such a ridiculous comment? "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." George Orwell

This is a thread where you can post and discuss your favorite quotes on the above topic. Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state. -Noam Chomsky And who has a better propaganda system than the USA? It's kind and generous. A lie, but most believe it. It's a beacon of freedom. Another lie. Over 70 illegal invasions and counting, tens of millions murdered, ... upon whom does this beacon of freedom shine? On US propaganda, how it is different from other western nations, slightly. "The United States is unusual among the industrial democracies in the rigidity of the system of ideological control - indoctrination, we might say - exercised through the mass media." Noam Chomsky “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....” ― Noam Chomsky, The Common Good Professor Chomsky really hits the nail on the head with that one. It's the great fallacy that everyone loves to mouth - "you don't get to speak your mind in [bad country]".

Why is there this incredible imbalance, people drone on and on about this little terrorist action or that little terrorist actions but they never talk about the voluminous US terrorist actions. There are lots of 52 and older, and younger terrorists in the UK, US, Canada, Australia, ... Tony Blair, George Bush, Dick Cheney, ... . The US is the only nation to have ever been convicted of international terrorism, the only nation that has been admonished by the whole world, UNGA, for 24 years running, to stop its 70 years of terrorism against Cuba. This is the unbelievable disconnect from reality that is the norm here on this website, this incredible disconnect from reality that G. Greenwald describes below. "No observation will cause one to be ejected from acceptable mainstream company more immediately than pointing out that what the U.S. Government is doing is "terrorism" by definition. Ask Noam Chomsky about that, if you can find him. That's because using Terrorist threats (or civilian-destroying violence) for political gain, or to keep a population in fear, is something that only other people do -- but never the United States -- even when it's as plain as day (as it is here) that the U.S. Government is doing exactly that." Glenn Greenwald, August 20, 2009