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Yeah why pay off debt when we can just pass it onto our children and grandchildren like the hippy generation did? Then they can pay for our pensions and debt too!! Well at least until we default on our obligations and are forced to get an IMF bailout contingent on slashing all our "entitlements". Why didn't any other 20 yr olds in their 1st year economics courses think of this?

Hint: Food is perishable.

Please explain where your "educated guess" of 10 billion comes from. Seems like you just pulled a number out of your ass. If I had to take an educated guess, I would say 1000 trillion... And it's all Harper's fault!

Nice "source". There may be enough food if we all become vegetarians and live off of cereal, bread, and soy. I'll keep eating my red meat while you guys can hold hands and sing kumbaya while roasting soy wieners around a campfire. Or are campfires a waste of our precious resources too? Hahaha

Has the left found a new boogeyman to replace corporations.. The evil investment bankers? No one was starving before investment banking! If anything, investment bankers have created a situation where food is valued appropriately. Everyone needs food, of course it should be expensive, there is unlimited demand and limited supply.

That's 3000/mo. There's 8% unemployed in ontario. You don't think those unemployed people would want to teach grade 3 writing for 3000/mo? I wouldn't mind reading dr seuss to 8 year olds for that.

Um that's 8$/hr for like 30 kids/teacher. That's $240/hr. A private system could probably pay teachers 25/hr with 2 weeks vacation (instead of 2 months). I have a hard time believing a private system couldn't cover the remaining fixed costs and overhead with the remaining $215/hr (school of 2000 kids = over 250k per day!) Hell a private system could probably serve our kids catered lunches every day and still cost half the price. I'm not parroting any "elites".. You on the other hand seem to be parroting left wing kooks with your claims that the elites and the man are holding everyone else down. Hahaha.

How can you say public health care and education are cheaper? Last I checked we spend over 50 billion on education and over 100 billion on health care. That would be close to 10000 per canadian worker if 1/4 of the work force wasn't exempt from paying taxes. As it is, canadian taxpayers probably pay over 15000 per year paying for other people's grandparents and kids.

Who cares? The conservatives won. No one cared about having to be "supported by the majority" until the socialists started losing. Now we have online petitions for electoral reform and constant whining from the left. The sense of entitlement from the Canadian communists is incredible.

Because 19 yr old francophones are upset that the evil English empire won a war for their land 250 years ago. They have obviously earned their right to claim that land by randomly being born in it 250 years later. 50.1% of la belle province will revolt and go to war with the other 49.9%, and when all the killing is over, the remaining 0.2% francophones will get to claim the land as their own. There will be blood!!

A two tier health system is like our postal system. If you want faster and more reliable service, you can pay extra for Fedex or UPS. Our health care system would be like banning UPS and Fedex and forcing everyone to wait 10 days to mail anything.

I definitely agree that there is value in what the public sector provides... I just think that the value is outweighed by the cost. Non-essential public services are wealth destroyers... I do think universal health care is essential, but I think that a two tiered system could reduce the costs of the public system. In addition to decreasing the burden on the public system, the taxes from the private system could go towards subsidizing health education so that we have more doctors and nurses, and increasing the salaries for those in the public system.

People wouldn't use banks if they didn't value their services over stashing their cash under their mattress. You aren't forced to pay bank fees. Everyone is forced to pay taxes for public services. Public servants are the true "tyrants". The public sector is like if I kept my money in a personal vault but was paying for a public banking system where everyone got free bank accounts and bank services.

I have read constant posts from the left about how the corporations aren't "paying their fair share", but I don't think that could be further from the truth. The only people who aren't "paying their fair share" are public servants. Corporations run a business that generates revenues. Lets do a simple breakdown what they do with these revenues: 1. These revenues are used to employ people to run and grow the business. These people then pay taxes on their personal income. 2. Other than labour costs, revenues are used to cover the cost of the goods or services the corporation produces. This can create jobs domestically for the extraction/production of the inputs to the final product, or foreign jobs through outsourcing. In turn, this gives developing countries a chance to build their own economies and eventually increase demand for Canadian goods and services. 3. Corporations then pay taxes on the earnings they have left over after deducting costs. 4. Corporations also distribute earnings as dividends, or invest in growth opportunities which lead to capital gains. Investors in these corporations are taxed on their dividends or capital gains. Furthermore, the existence of these corporations creates additional jobs within other businesses who provide inputs to their production, or to businesses who sell their products. The employees of these corporations also pay taxes on their personal income. The employees of corporations invest or spend their disposable income on goods and services which also create additional jobs. Competition between corporations reduces prices for consumers and allows them to enjoy a better life. The true burden on society are public servants. These people pay taxes on their income which happens to be 100% funded by the taxes of everyone else. The larger the public sector grows, the more the private sector has to be encumbered with paying for the salaries of public servants. I'm not an anarchist, I'm not advocating eliminating government. But I do think the private sector and corporations are unfairly demonized. The private sector is the one paying for the public sector to exist. Wherever the private sector can provide a good or service profitably, they should be allowed to do so (yes I am advocating two-tier health care). Corporations are not evil. They are the reason for our prosperity. Corporations will not be going anywhere, so it's time to move on from the 70s and stop with the hippy anti-corporate movement. We should be thanking corporations. With 8% of 18.5million Canadians in the labour force being unemployed, that is about 1.5 million Canadians who are also being supported by the private sector. Imagine if we were able to reduce that figure to 4% by creating 750k private sector jobs with an average salary of 40k and lets say they pay about 25% in taxes on average. 750,000 jobs x $40,000 income = 30 billion in income = $7.5 billion in tax revenue to spend health care, day care, etc. This doesn't even account for the fact that these 750k people will no longer be collecting welfare or EI cheques or need subsidized housing, etc. This will increase the pot of government funds to spend on social programs even more. We need to work within the framework of a globalization and the corporate form of organization to invite more business and private enterprise into our country to support our social wants. Enough with the demonization of corporations. Canada is a nation that is blessed with vast and diverse natural resources, we could be economic superpowers. Corporations are the true key to the utopian society we all dream of. Discuss.

From what I read in the link on the other thread, oil companies are currently importing CO2 from the US which they use in the oil extraction process. If this could be replaced with our own captured CO2, it sounds like it could be good for the economy AND the environment. Does anyone know the market rate for CO2? How much can they sell the captured CO2 to oil companies for?

He's got 141 seats against him. If he starts to power trip then only 14/167 of conservative MPs have to vote against him... or even if 27 conservatives just don't show up to vote for moral reasons. His power is not as unrestrained as you seem to think.

I read it. Tyrannies last more than 4 years. Any "tyrant" will be deposed by the electorate within that timeframe. Furthermore, MPs wont be "whipped" into voting to make Harper emperor and to begin construction on a death star. His power is still in check. Quit whining and grow up.

hahaha could their logo be any more misleading? Makes it look like 50% voted NDP, 90% NDP or liberals, and that the cons are a fringe party with barely more support than the green party. You guys are funny.

The best I would go for is our system. There's nothing wrong with it... conservatives take power when a plurality of people want to cut back on spending and taxation, and the left takes power when a plurality want social change. With majority governments they are able to do so... in PR or minority governments, the plurality is forced to placate the opposition which undermines their ideals and make the incumbent party seem like "liars". Regarding the voter turnout thing, I know a lot of people don't show up because their riding is dominated by a certain party. For example, if you're a conservative in Jack Layton's riding it's pretty pointless to show up when Layton has 29k votes to 6k for the conservatives. This doesn't mean these people don't care about the election, just that the riding they live in has deemed Layton the best suited to represent their interests. Really, the voter turnout thing is overblown.

Wow quit whining. The reason our system works is because a party can gain the full power of a majority government without having to win a majority of votes. Governments have their hands tied in minority governments and the same would be true in your retarded proposal. Harper has had to spend to placate the entitlement mentality of the left and then they used that spending as a point of contention during the election. This entitlement mentality needs to die. "Waaaaaah we need to know more details about that jet purchase... Canadians demand change now!!! Wahhh we need free daycare and more pensions and welfare!!! Wahhh elections Canada says we can't tweet results... I'm tweeting them anyway because I'm such a rebel!!! Waaahhhh these election results didn't go our way, I'm gonna start retweeting a bunch of dictatorship comments that I think are clever then create an online petition for electoral reform!!!!" Grow up man.

lol @ this thread

Would be sad to see... Alberta would likely become one of the top countries in the world in terms of GDP per capita (already around 50k GDP per capita). Once they leave they wont be coming back. They would likely become a hotbed for investment and growth would approach that of China with the low taxes and huge oil reserves. Meanwhile Canada would become a crippled economy with no growth. Good thing that a majority of Albertans are fiercely patriotic to Canada.

Keep corp. tax rates below US is the NDP platform's way of spinning the plan to roll back the tax cuts. They are trying to imply that corp taxes will be decreased to the uneducated voter. It is an outright lie. Also the US corp tax rate is one of the least competitive anyway. Their economy hasn't exactly been very robust either.

My platform: Tax corporations at 100% = 5x more tax revenues. Simple economics! Improve health care: free everything. Quintuple pensions for retirees. Give small businesses $50,000 in tax credits for new hires. Send everyone in Canada a cheque for $20,000/yr. Cap credit card rates at prime - 3%... they should be paying us to borrow from them. Build new arenas in every major city. Install solar panels on top of every building in Canada. Do I have your vote yet?

WTF is this?!? That isn't economics, that is your own pseudo-science BS you made up to justify your positions. You are clueless, quite spouting nonsense and go read an economics book.