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Mr. Rue, again out of contempt you called Iran a terrorist nation. You indicated you speak many languages and listed them but obviously English is not one of them because you did not understand my post (and I only speak English so as why failed to convey the message to you) about distinction between a nation and its government. Is Israeli nation to blame for bombing civilians and killing them over past many years? No. Is American people to blame for hundreds of thousands of Civilian deaths past few decades? No. You are thinking like ISIL or IS or ISIS or whatever the hell they call it these days that they blame the nations for the actions of their governments and attack and kill innocent civilians all over the world in Canada, US, and Europe and if they get the chance in Israel too. It is just that you are at the other extreme but as bad. Enough said.

I didn't call you Mr. Rude face as I never make personal attacks it is a sign of weakness. It came out of your profile I took by mistake as your username Mr. Rue but it was you who called me Muslim extremist though it was funny but still a personal attack on me. I will be brief. I have said that Iranian nation or society is a progressive one. I talked about the women pushing boundaries by what they wear and the fact that women movement is strongest in the region and that the nation is most progressive in the region and highly educated and open minded and I ask you to educate yourself about the society and what is going on in that society and how the nation overwhelmingly elected a relative moderate president (the only relative moderate available as all the rest were screened out) when the votes count. However, there is a distinction between that society and the governments (one of them being the elected president) and you seem to be blaming all the ills that you listed on that nation. Those who you claimed to be responsible for what you listed are not elected by the nation so please educate yourself to distinguish as I think that your blame and contempt is misplaced. My entire point in this thread is that this deal is a fair one. The money you spoke of, is Iran's money and some of it at least will be spent on people's welfare. In return Iran will not become a nuclear power for another 10 years and the other side has put verification steps in place. I believe that it would prevent a war and would prevent many thousands loss of lives on both sides and I do care about loss of life regardless of nationality very much (American, Iranian, Israelis....) as why I am supportive of this deal. The alternative would have been a long bloody war and most of us don't want that. It is not a movie that you will be watching. It is real people getting killed and real mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers and sons and daughters grieving. So lets stop being a war monger and support negotiation and peace.

It is illegal because based on international and civil laws you can't attack any country based on an assumption that they may or may not attack you in the future or just because they do research on something that may be used in an attack unless Iran attacks Israel first (which would be equally illegal) then Israel can attack Iran on that basis. Btw Israel do have the bombs themselves and likely many and are asking Iran not to have what they have developed themselves in hiding. Talking about hypocrisy!!. I am not an expert in Iran's missile program but I have read somewhere that they have 5000 of them as how accurate they are I don't know but Israel is at a short distance from western Iran..They have been developing these missiles for 35 years now and yes with the aid of China and North Korea I believe they do have a large number of missiles that is why US imposed sanctions on them so that they stop their missile program because US is Israel's protector thanks to the money and power of the Zionist lobby groups dominating the US government and US Senate. I remember they hit Baghdad pretty accurately. One day the building of the ministry of defense in downtown Baghdad was hit precisely and leveled to ground killing dozens of military personnel. That was in mid 80's and you are saying that some 30 years later now they are not accurate. They don't have to target any building. All they have to do is the target the city of Tel Aviv and that is pretty big target. Each missile no matter where in the city they hit would destroy at least a block or two. That is enough to cause thousands of casualties even if they have just a few dozen which I believe they have much more than that. I think that you grossly underestimate Iran's military. This is a country which was an (Persian) empire not another newly born non-existent Arab country born after the end of British imperialism in the region (Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan ....). Even the Israeli government itself estimated years ago that a retaliation by Iran would cause at least 500 Israeli death. So why do you think that in spite of all noises they have made past 20 years threatening to attack Iran's nuclear facilities Israel have not attack Iran all these years. Do you think they care for enemy civilian casualties (Israel fearing enemy civilian casualties is really funny lol) or they love Iran or Iranians and they don't wish to hurt their feelings. No they fear devastating Iranian retaliation. They had no hesitation to attack other countries whenever they wish or feel threatened. Again I am hoping for the peace not war and don't wish any casualty on any side Iran or Israel. And we are diverting from the subject of the thread and the reason I posted to clarify that it was not a cave in by the west but rather negotiation on an equal basis and a fair deal. This deal will prevent a war though thawed Israeli plans to engage the US in another costly war to preserve its interests. And will prevent many mothers and fathers, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters from grieving their loved ones' unnecessary loss of (American, Iranian and Israeli) lives.

Argus I agree that Iran air force may not be a match for Israeli's but really I think you have put them down real bad. Iran is not going to use neither the air force nor the navy to retaliate against an illegal attack but rather the many hundreds or thousands of missiles it has developed over decades and right now pointing at Israel less than a thousand kilometers away and its armed supporters and revolutionary guards in Lebanon and Syria. Israel declares war by an unprovoked attack and will suffer the consequences by any means that Iran sees fit. You call it terrorism because they may use their armed supporters they may call it differently. I hope it never comes to that as I don't wish to see any civilian killed on any side. Mr. Rue I need a translator to translate what you say. You try to type what I said but wrongly instead of quoting (I never typed Israel hill women and children lol) and what do you mean Zionist women and children killing cowards!!!! Is this your say or you quote me saying this!!!??? Btw on what planet is Iran lol? Since I posted Mr. Rue added to his uninformed funny post. Lol the part that you say I must have been brought up as a Muslim extremist was just too funny I almost fell down my bed out of laugh. Your posts can be humorous even though uninformed or out of contempt. So no nation would invade Iran on the ground right? So Iraqis invaded Iran underground I suppose not on the ground? You have no clue what you are saying . And btw nobody says about Israelis invading Iran they have no such military capacity. It shows how uninformed your mind is to even think it as a possibility. Look at the map if you are able to find Iran then look at its size and mountains and population too. Learn one or two before you post about something even Americans have reached the conclusion that they cannot invade Iran on the ground. If Israel attacks it will use its air force and using US made bunker buster bombs to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities underground.

In 1980 Iran had just come out of a long bloody revolution. Its army weakened and many of its best officers and pilots dismissed or executed by the post revolutionary government. Iraq took advantage of its weakness and invaded intending to take over the oil province of Khuzestan and annex it but Iranian nationalism prevailed and not only they drove back the invading Iraqi army (in spite of lack of spare parts for its military and lack of hardware and in spite of the fact that the whole world was backing Iraq with most advanced fighter jets and tanks and intelligence) but they also start advancing into Iraq which later came to a halt because Iraq was armed to its teeth by the US, Russia and France. I can see a lot of contempt for Iran in this thread and I think that is because they stood up against the arrogant powers and negotiated a fair deal and did not give in. They are also an emerging power and many pro-Israeli lobby don't wish to see this. Btw Israel never dared to lunch such attack on Iran because they knew Iran has the power to retaliate very harshly. History shows that Israel only attacks the weak and kill those women and children who cannot fight back.

Again please educate yourself. Iran has NOT invaded any country past 250 years. They have been invaded many times though. Latest by Iraq who was ruled by Saddam Hussain and received military and intelligence assistance from the US as well as France and Russia during the 8 years including chemical weapons from the US which were used against Iranian troops and civilians even their own civilians. Yes you are right it is the US who is a peace loving country not that they invaded both Iraq and Afghanistan or killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Vietnam and Japan (by dropping an A bomb) or not because they supported the most corrupt repressive military regimes in Central and South America and Middle East and not because they stage a coup in Iran to overthrow the democratically elected government in 1953 or same in Chile in 1973 .......and the list goes on. Or Israel who invades and kills so many defenseless women and children ......So yes please educate yourself before making such posts as history is before us to make a judgment as who the peace loving nations are and who are not based on their actions rather than empty words for internal consumptions. Btw, my post was not about the peace loving nations but rather the fact that the nuclear deal signed was a compromise fair deal that both sides got something and Iran negotiated on an equal basis and that is why some don't like them. Like it or not they are a regional power something they were even before their revolution under the Shah or even before that for 2500 years they ruled half the middle east from Afghanistan to Russia and Egypt. May be it is not even an emerging major power but a returning one.

Yes I agree it is very nice to read those polls that put the Cons where they belong, at low numbers. I hope that the numbers hold up for another 76 days and the nation sees an end to this corrupt manipulative scandalist undemocratic conservative government. I have been counting days for the past 4 years for October 2015 day to arrive and it is now just around the corner.

Encouraging.

There are so many polls differing in results that we don't know which one to believe. We can blame margin of errors I suppose but the real poll is on October 19 and when the nation goes to the polls they would remember all the wrongdoings this conservative government has done past 4 years and will vote for a change.

Mr. Rude face distorting what I said is not bringing you any credibility. People can read my post and your response and make a judgement. I never said Iran is the most advanced country in the world as you quoted me I said Iran is the most advanced country in the region and that region includes some violent and backward countries like Afghanistan where women still have to wear berka and Saudi Arabia where women are not allowed to even drive and some countries in war or political instability like Syria and Iraq and Lebanon ..... On other points if you don't know or believe me then educate yourself. Yes Iran has the largest middle class in the region and highly educated too where two thirds are under 35 and open minded compared to its neighbors and decades of sanctions have help their industries so that they have their own industries now. They make over a million cars per year down from a million and half because of sanctions but will hit 3 million soon and will be exporting and they have a strong steel and cement and construction industries second to none in the region. They make most of their own military hardware including tanks and ships and they have an advancing missile industry as well as why Israel is frightened and unlike Iraq and Syria Israel never dared to attack them because they were aware of crushing retaliation. And yes women participate in the workplace and they are paid equal though they have to wear the mandatory hejab which most of them push the boundaries by wearing heavy makeups and colorful head scarfs and dresses. There is now a flow of business people flying to Iran starting from France and Germany even two weeks after this deal because they realized that there are plenty of potentials for investments and profits. They are aware of iran possessing a great Human and natural resources. If you or North America is not aware yet or close your eyes out of contempt for them because they stood up for their rights and won against powerful countries then that would be your loss and North America's loss. Too bad.

What is interesting to note is the voting intentions based on education. NDP has the highest support among the university and college educated people whereas the Cons enjoy the most votes among those with high school degrees or less!!! Very interesting and speaks a volume!!.

Thanks for posting the latest EKOS poll. It is a total surprise to me that in spite of all wrongdoings, manipulations, political scandals, corruptions, undemocratic moves and now a bad economy they still have 30% of the votes!!!!! Very strange indeed. Maybe voters are not fully aware of all the wrongdoings associated with this government and the opposition is not doing a good job in conveying them. This can be the only reason for the relatively high percent support among the voters.

The OP's point on family reunification as a cause for bring uneducated people to this country is another misrepresentation of the facts in which the OP is an expert. Statistics show that immigrants in general hold better education than average born Canadians not to mention harder working so how come the family of these better educated people have no education!!!!. Really!!!. Or it is the third world people which you have problem with to be in this country?

Again you are misrepresenting the facts Argus. For some reasons I cannot copy the link (maybe this forum would not allow copying a link, Not sure) but a poll just prior to the bill C36 debate in June 2014 indicated a majority of Canadians oppose the bill (please google search bill C36 poll) and believe that sex between consenting adults paid or not should be legal as long as force, exploitation and underage is not involved. Even their own government survey indicated an almost even split (don't remember exact numbers but maybe 40% - 60%) in which religious groups and churches galvanized to take part and vote. You are correct about the imported laws from Sweden but recently those laws in Sweden have been put under questions in the same country who invented them as their effectiveness and safety............. That said the debate here is not whether or not it is a good or bad bill or whether it is popular or not but rather the manner in which it was manipulated through the parliament when sex workers were not consulted as what new laws should be and the government side headed by Peter MacKay called their own witnesses rather than the experts and interest groups and those who opposed the bill and pushed it through in a rush and also the manner in which they purposely undermine the Supreme Court which is the vanguard of constitution and citizens' right n this country and that is what distinguishes this lovely country from dictatorships in other parts of the world.

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No I just became a member and posted this. I wasn't a member 8 months ago. Not sure where you got the idea that I copied from somewhere else!!!. I posted it now as it was my first chance opportunity as a new member and appropriately at the time or day which elections called to remind voters of the wrong deeds by this government. And please state the facts instead of spreading misinformation which is a common behavior by conservatives and their supporters. The new laws passed just 8 months ago has NOT been challenged and upheld by any court. The old laws were struck down by SCC in 2013. The Cons responded to that by bringing similar but harsher laws. The new laws only 8 month sold has not had the chance to be challenged yet.

It was NOT a cave in but a mutually beneficial compromise deal. Nobody caved in to nobody. It was a compromised deal. In a compromise negotiators give and take. The US and G5 were asking Iran to refrain from building the A bomb. Something that THEY HAVE DONE THEMSELVES for decades having thousands of A bombs. That was what put them in the position to ask others not to do what they have done themselves. And yes the money estimated between $100 to $150 billion was Iran's at the first place but was frozen by above countries. Based on this deal Iran would refrain from building the bomb for another 10 years and in return they get their own money back. So the title that the US and G5 caved in to Iran may be a bit misleading. It was a compromise. And it was about the security of Israel as always the pro-Israeli lobby is very strong in the US but this time they didn't get ALL that they wanted from their servants so as why there is so much opposition to this deal. Iran is the most advanced country in the region with the largest middle class and highly educated citizens where women participate in the society and workplaces on equal basis. In fact I believe two third of university students numbering millions are female students and where females assuming high positions. It is unlike the neighboring countries where women are not even allowed to drive (sad but true). Iran is a non-Arab Persian country with centuries of history and civilization having the second largest Gas reserves, fourth largest oil reserves and all sorts of mines. It is Russia in Gas reserves and Saudi Arabia in oil and Australia in mining resources. Unlike its neighbors it also has the human resources with tens of millions of its citizens having university education and an open minded society with more than half the population having access to internet and satellite TV. They managed quite well under the harshest sactions regime in place and continued to survive and make progress while under sanctions. IT WAS IN THE INTEREST OF THE WEST TO REACH A COMPROMISE DEAL WITH THIS EMERGING MAJOR POWER and this frightens Israel and there is nothing they can do but to make noises. It was NOT caving in.

Harper met with governor General and election is called for October 19.

Well webc5 in fact the bill became law of the country on December 21, 2014.

The Cons have no respect for the SCC. This undemocratic conservative government has no respect for the Supreme Court which is the vanguard of democracy and constitution in fact they have shown again and again their contempt for SCC by constantly trying to undermine its rulings. The prostitution laws is a good example that SCC ruled in 2013 that the existing laws by making some aspects of it illegal would endanger the citizens (sex workers) and struck them down but the Cons responded with bill C36 which now makes every aspect of that illegal and significantly endangers citizens even more than before and though the new laws are very likely unconstitutional but the Cons headed by Peter MacKay manipulated and pushed it through the parliament in an undemocratic manner abusing their majority (and they got their majority seats by 25% of eligible voters only). Their reason for this of course was not out of care for the sex workers but rather to undermine Supreme Court of Canada but also to appeal to their based religious support to give them another fake majority to rule over the remaining 75% of population. Democracy at work.

Yes the Cons form a majority with only 25% of eligible voters and shoved down our throats (the other 75%) their way of conservatism with backward legislations in an undemocratic manner and scandals and corruptions for 4 years. Enough said. TIME FOR A CHANGE. May be not only change of government but also electoral reforms. Canada deserves better.

The only thing going well for the conservatives was the economy and that too has turned soured past six months. Dropping GDP for past 5 months putting us in a technical recession, minimal job creation even net job losses and possible Federal deficit, all would likely take away many long time conservative votes. Other than the economy I don't see anything else which may persuade many voters to vote for the Cons. Ever since they form a majority 4 years ago the country has been hit with scandals, corruptions, some still before the courts not to mention some undemocratic moves by the Cons like early end to debates in the parliament, pushing through legislations,....enough said. TIME FOR A CHANGE as 66% of Canadians have indicated in the recent polls and that is certainly my view.