SpankyMcFarland

Erdogan has been fortunate to run a developing economy at at a time of rapid expansion. That buys a lot of good will from voters.

More information will emerge in time, not just from government sources either. We have very little to go on right now. Erdogan seems to be nicer to Putin and Netanyahu these days than he is to Obama and Merkel, which says something about the guy.

I guess we will have to wait and see who these rebels are. If they are all Hizmet followers, there's a case to be made.

For Canadians, US shows are much easier to understand than UK ones. Our particular type of North American English is used beyond this continent when people have to use it but they prefer to use their own and their cultures are different. Not all shows translate. Some would need subtitles and background.

Because you produce a lot more product than we do in a language intelligible to most of us. The same thing happens in many parts of the world, e.g. British Isles, Indian subcontinent etc. The meltdown idea arises in the US and is part of the way we think now. Everything is the worst crisis ever.

This is a US Politics thread - what should we be talking about? The US dominates our culture. I have to watch US CNN rather than the global version so I see a lot more of Baton Rouge today than I would otherwise. There ARE concerns in Canada about our relations with First Nations people and what could happen there in the next few decades.

Not a meltdown but more trouble on the race front.

Something tells me the Turkish equivalent of plea bargaining is producing evidence right now.

It's possible they encouraged it. But organized it? Some of these rebels may be executed. The govt is claiming they were going to fire a lot of these guys soon so the plotters had to move, ready or not.

I see Erdogan is already demanding Gulen's extradition: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/jul/16/erdogan-calls-on-obama-to-extradite-terrorist-fethullah-gulen-to-turkey-for-trial-video

Gulen is saying something similar: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/16/fethullah-gulen-turkey-coup-erdogan

The individual members of NATO may make some polite noises but they will continue to cooperate fully with Erdogan. Europe wants more secure borders - the details on how that is achieved will be left to the locals.

What's surprising about that election is how close it was despite decades of oppressive military rule:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_presidential_election,_2012 There's a striking Cairo versus the rest split on the vote too. Actually, I found Morsi less annoying than Erdogan. He didn't seem to have the same ego but, given the vote, he should not have ploughed ahead with so many anti-secular changes.

It is certainly not as fair as it should be but he still enjoys substantial support in the country. That is the sad reality.

In my one experience, Istanbul is not that cosmo beyond the touristy and wealthy areas. There is a huge zone around the city's core that is more traditional. Anyway, the coup leaders seem to be different from the usual secularists who have arisen in such times.

These plotters may not have been secular. For Europe, stability and secure borders are the top priorities. They need Erdogan right now.

The Turks voted for Erdogan, unfortunately. He seems to be what a large number of them want.

I would say Islam is ONE of the problems, esp. Sunni Islam. Many of the non-Muslim groups you cite, e.g. IRA, UDA, Eta, have limited goals in a strictly defined territory. So the Chechen resistance at home is part of this tradition, but attacking people in other countries who have nothing to do with that conflict is quite different.

Report of an F-16 fighter loyal to Erdogan shooting down a helicopter. The coup may be 5 years too late.

In Pakistan, they had the madrassas and also Afghan refugees who became the Taliban, Zia's program of Islamization and a massive rise in population.

Reports of Erdogan flying to Germany. You'd think he would need to deny that promptly if it wasn't true.

Things not looking great for the coup leaders right now. The police are siding with Erdogan.

Is 'lorry' commonly used in Canada? I don't hear too many people in Atlantic Canada saying it.

What I understand from the article is that a tiny elite will have most of the wealth - the middle class as we know it will not exist. Why make a human-like machine? Same as any machine - costs will fall and the potential for improvement beyond what any human can do is clearly there. A residual group of humans will be required by the owners but most of us will not. The idea of humans plus machines is a transitional phase that machines will rapidly outstrip.

Automation will threaten not only jobs but also democracy: http://nationalinterest.org/feature/when-the-robots-rise-16830?page=show