Stats Canada Victims of Crime Survey

[Argus]

Statistics Canada does these every five years. The last one, in 2004, showed that contrary to police reported crime (which is a stats can term) victims reported no fall in rates of criminal victimization. that is, while the official stats said crime was falling, the 2004 survey found no fall in crime, just a fall in the numbers of people reporting crime to police.

The new survey finds similar results. There was no fall in crime, contrary to police statistics, and fewer still people reporting their crimes to police. Only 31% of people now report crime to police, down from 34% the last go-round. You can think of that as a 3% fall or as a 10% fall from previous results Either way, for whatever reason, fewer people are reporting their crimes to police. Most of these crimes are non-violent. People are actually less likely to report violent crime. Only 29% report violent crimes to police. This is probably because people report crimes like car theft or burglary where they are required to by their insurance company, but there is no insurance requirement to report ciolent crimes, so most people don't bother.

Most likely this is due to a lack of confidence in the judicial and police systems. For example, in Ottawa, where I live, the police only solve about 22% of crimes anyway. So if you report a crime it probably won't get solved. And if it does, then you face the time-consuming, stressful and often embarrassing circus of a judicial system, where there is absolutely no guarantee the offender will actually receive any kind of substantive punishment anyway. Better to just forget it and get on with your life, many people seem to feel.

Statistics Canada Criminal Victimization Survey

Edited September 28, 2010 by Argus

[DrGreenthumb]

Statistics Canada does these every five years. The last one, in 2004, showed that contrary to police reported crime (which is a stats can term) victims reported no fall in rates of criminal victimization. that is, while the official stats said crime was falling, the 2004 survey found no fall in crime, just a fall in the numbers of people reporting crime to police.

The new survey finds similar results. There was no fall in crime, contrary to police statistics, and fewer still people reporting their crimes to police. Only 31% of people now report crime to police, down from 34% the last go-round. You can think of that as a 3% fall or as a 10% fall from previous results Either way, for whatever reason, fewer people are reporting their crimes to police. Most of these crimes are non-violent. People are actually less likely to report violent crime. Only 29% report violent crimes to police. This is probably because people report crimes like car theft or burglary where they are required to by their insurance company, but there is no insurance requirement to report ciolent crimes, so most people don't bother.

Most likely this is due to a lack of confidence in the judicial and police systems. For example, in Ottawa, where I live, the police only solve about 22% of crimes anyway. So if you report a crime it probably won't get solved. And if it does, then you face the time-consuming, stressful and often embarrassing circus of a judicial system, where there is absolutely no guarantee the offender will actually receive any kind of substantive punishment anyway. Better to just forget it and get on with your life, many people seem to feel.

Statistics Canada Criminal Victimization Survey

Actually the less serious a crime is the less likely it is to get reported. Also the reason some people will consider themselves a "victim of a crime" when they say that to statscan, but will not report it to the police is because they were not entirely innocent in the situation themselves. For example somebody who gets "assaulted" after grabbing a woman's ass in the bar when they were drunk probably isn't going to call the police on the girl's husband or boyfriend when he kicks their ass, fearing that they might face charges themselves in return.

[Smallc]

Exactly, these surveys are completely unreliable, as they are based on how people feel about things that have happened to them, and not actual crime.

[Saipan]

More victims survive due to modern medicine. Therefore homicide may seems to go slightly down. But shooting and attacks are on the rise. DESPITE of gun registration.

It's going down only in states with Concealed Carry Law. Few actually "carry" but the perp doesn't know who does. The risk got very high for the criminals.

[sayeds]

31% victims said they reported the crime to corp/police and police encourage people to report all crimes so officers get a true or correct picture of what's happening on city streets.

Survey examples

[DrGreenthumb]

More victims survive due to modern medicine. Therefore homicide may seems to go slightly down. But shooting and attacks are on the rise. DESPITE of gun registration.

It's going down only in states with Concealed Carry Law. Few actually "carry" but the perp doesn't know who does. The risk got very high for the criminals.

yeah we would all be sooo much safer if there were just more guns floatin around. ....and Steve Harper is a Libertarian, pffft

[Argus]

Exactly, these surveys are completely unreliable, as they are based on how people feel about things that have happened to them, and not actual crime.

Would you care to inform us all of the intense education you've received about statistics and surveys and why you haven't offered your illustrious services to Statistics Canada? Perhaps those pathetic, unknowing wretches could benefit from your superior knowledge of statistical methodology. I mean, they're clearly wasting their time fumbling around with this stuff when, according to you, such information is completely unreliable anyway.

[Argus]

Actually the less serious a crime is the less likely it is to get reported. Also the reason some people will consider themselves a "victim of a crime" when they say that to statscan, but will not report it to the police is because they were not entirely innocent in the situation themselves. For example somebody who gets "assaulted" after grabbing a woman's ass in the bar when they were drunk probably isn't going to call the police on the girl's husband or boyfriend when he kicks their ass, fearing that they might face charges themselves in return.

Uh huh. I know half a dozen people who have been assaulted and robbed and none bothered to call the police. None were grabbing anyone's ass at the time either. No one I know has much faith in police. They might put actual effort into something like murder, yes, but does that mean we should ignore all lesser crimes? I know several women who were sexually assaulted and none reported them to police. Too much hassle and embarrassment for too little chance of anything remotely approaching a satisfactory return.

You know what? Canada Revenue Agency gets robbed every day. People file false returns, collect thousands of dollars in false refunds, and then by the time CRA finds out about it, well, they simply write it off. They don't even report it to the police. Why not? Because there's no point. What are the police going to do anyway?

Edited October 4, 2010 by Argus

[Saipan]

yeah we would all be sooo much safer if there were just more guns floatin around.

What makes you think that?

I just went down and checked. They don't float. Just lay there without so much as twich.

[Saipan]

yeah we would all be sooo much safer if there were just more guns floatin around.

On second thought. Who's "we". The robbers? Home invaders? Bears?

[DrGreenthumb]

On second thought. Who's "we". The robbers? Home invaders? Bears?

We are the thousands of Canadians who get drunk and go to bars and get in fistfights that as of now rarely turn into gunfights. You get a bunch of yahoos running around in public packing heat, people are going to get killed. This is not the wild west, even though you wish it was. I'm fine with hangun ownership, but they should be kept at home. Too easy for a simple incident of road rage escalate into a murder when people, are feeling overconfidant because they have a gun to back up their mouth. Teenage boys especially would end up getting shot over bullshit drama a lot more than they do already.

[guyser]

Teenage boys especially would end up getting shot over bullshit drama a lot more than they do already.

Except nowhere in North America can teenage boys legally conceal or open carry. Any attmept here would result in same ....denied.

Not to say teenage boys wont shoot each other, but dont bring emotion in where facts will suffice.

[Saipan]

We are the thousands of Canadians who get drunk and go to bars and get in fistfights that as of now rarely turn into gunfights. You get a bunch of yahoos running around in public packing heat, people are going to get killed.

Another reason to build more prisons and stop the ridiculous "Catch & Release liberal justass system.

The best way to separate criminals and guns is locking the former.

Too easy for a simple incident of road rage escalate into a murder when people, are feeling overconfidant because they have a gun to back up their mouth.

So why is violent crime in states with concealed carry law going down?

[M.Dancer]

So why is violent crime in states with concealed carry law going down?

It isn't.

Rape in Texas is up, violent crime in Washington is up. Fact is there is no correlation between CCL and crime reduction given that even states without CCL have seen a reduction in crime.

[Saipan]

It isn't.

Rape in Texas is up, violent crime in Washington is up. Fact is there is no correlation between CCL and crime reduction given that even states without CCL have seen a reduction in crime.

So "even states without CCL have seen a reduction in crime"! How that could be in the US?!?

http://gunowners.org/vtcarry.htm

Edited October 4, 2010 by Saipan

[nicky10013]

So "even states without CCL have seen a reduction in crime"! How that could be in the US?!?

http://gunowners.org/vtcarry.htm

Gee, a gun lobby website is the perfect source for a balanced view on gun restrictions. :lol: :lol:

Keep this up. You're hilarious.

[Saipan]

Gee, a gun lobby website is the perfect source for a balanced view on gun restrictions. :lol: :lol:

Of course not, you have to go to Hoplophobic website.

Say, Wendy Cukier, etc. They are the experts.

[Saipan]

Gee, a gun lobby website is the perfect source for a balanced view on gun restrictions. :lol: :lol:

Yes, Canada Stats and UN Stats are gun lobby.

[DrGreenthumb]

Another reason to build more prisons and stop the ridiculous "Catch & Release liberal justass system.

The best way to separate criminals and guns is locking the former.

So why is violent crime in states with concealed carry law going down?

I dunno Wyatt, maybe natural selection? Lots of the gun totin meatheads who think walkin around with a pistol and a 10 gallon hat is cool have already killed each other off?

[Saipan]

I dunno Wyatt, maybe natural selection? Lots of the gun totin meatheads who think walkin around with a pistol and a 10 gallon hat is cool have already killed each other off?

Actually the meatheads that kill each other off are mostly Latino and blacks. Wearing hoods and oversize pants with no belt

Sorry about that - natural selection as you say

[The_Squid]

Actually the meatheads that kill each other off are mostly Latino and blacks. Wearing hoods and oversize pants with no belt

Sorry about that - natural selection as you say

What an idiotic, nonsense comment.

[bloodyminded]

Of course not, you have to go to Hoplophobic website.

Say, Wendy Cukier, etc. They are the experts.

Wendy Cukier:

is recognized as one of Canada's leading authorities on emerging technologies and has over 20 years experience as a consultant to industry and government. She conceived and developed Ryerson's Telecommunications Management Certificate which currently has over 500 students. In 1991 she won the Canadian Business Telecommunications Alliance (CBTA) President's award for her contribution to the industry. She has led the design and redevelopment of the TRSITM Curriculum and the Joint Graduate Program (with York) in Communication and Culture. Professor Cukier's research spans telecommunications and competitive advantage, electronic commerce, technology-enabled learning, social marketing and public policy. She is one of Canada's leading consultants on telecommunications and digital media and has presented and published over 200 papers and articles and is a regular contributor to the Globe and Mail's Report on Business.

Such a lefty radical!!!!

[Saipan]

What an idiotic, nonsense comment.

If you can't debate try some name calling, you'll look more intelligent.

[Saipan]

Wendy Cukier:

Such a lefty radical!!!!

What that has to do with her anti-gun lobby and money laundering?

[bloodyminded]

What that has to do with her anti-gun lobby and money laundering?

Well, Saipan, it's strange for me to have to educate you on your own opinions: but you think everybody falls into some imaginary "left/right" divide. No one is exempt.

I think you're arguing with yourself.