ALL CANNABIS CANADIANS VOTE GREEN

[M.Dancer]

Who wants to look stupid first by fabricating lies about cannabis just out of their own very poor esteem or real lack of anything helpful to really contribute to interested readers , voters and fellow citizens ?

No one can compete with you in that regard......

[shavluk]

mdancer

Born oct 8 1958

hahhahhahahahahhahhahahahhahahhahahhahhahhaha

I rest my case!!!!!!!

Maybe make a decision !!!! today prancer hahhahhahha

Leo moon ,,of course he is ,,here we go

Trix? or picks?

Now merely nobody.

mdancer

Libra Venus ,(as well as sun and year)

hahhahhahahhahahhahahahhahahahhaha Karma I guess hahha

Gemini mars ,, well at least he has each other hahhaha

Well ,, hahhaha that is just terrific that you feel that way , nobody

as with your birth date it doesn't surprise me , one bit , carry on.

I find a lot of Mommy's boys are Internet savvy for a reason ,, a life hahhahha

hmmm a tid bit for the readers,, oh why not (give them new ammo as well because they bore me)

Libra Venus : including the now irrelevant prancer

You are perversely cruel to those who love you , always changing your mind , flighty as a women , inconstant as a man hahha, flitting off and coming back with brand new promises you wont keep.

You are lazy and play on the emotions of others to get what you want.

You put on airs and graces about your artistic talents and tastes , which are quite mediocre.

you have a deep longing for refinement that you cant find in yourself hahhaha

Your social - climbing antics are a joke.

you may be immoral and in constant danger of exposure.

Partners defraud , disappoint and steal from you.hahha

You are extravagant and seldom out of debt. hahhahah no doubt

Witchcraft and secret cults where sex rites are practised may attract you.

Your domestic life is probably very unhappy or more probably non existent. hahhhaa

Just a little tip of the iceberg that I will now use to tailor little snippets of mind karma in the future my new best maple leaf friend.

[M.Dancer]

Who wants to look stupid ...

YOU WIN

But I would have thought you would have given someone else a chance .....

[Amazing Atheist]

Yes, I'm aware that there's a sub-culture. It makes me laugh, because when a group of people get together to celebrate their emotional escapism as a virtue, they've got more serious problems than they think.

The subculture surrounding this plant has nothing to do with emotional escapism. I like to think of the subculture the same way I would think of other cultures that have grown around for example wine and the connoisseurs that have formed clubs around the drink etc. Like the wine connoisseurs we gather for our love of something which we enjoy.

Essentially we are cannabis enthusiasts and this enthusiasm is what brings us together not emotional escapism.

I've smoked dope too...many many times for years in my youth. I even used to think it helped me write, until I discovered that it doesn't make much difference either way, really. What it does do is remove you from the world of reality, for a while, depending on how good the smoke is. But when that becomes a lifestyle unto itself, and then twisted to become a "culture," there are real problems afoot.

You have no right to call the pot culture twisted.

Most people who use cannabis live normal healthy lifestyles, I bet you know a lot of people who smoke and you would never know it.

Pot doesn't make you more creative... If you were a horrible writer then no matter what drug you use you will always be a horrible writer. I'm not saying your a bad writer just giving an example.

Pot also does not remove you from reality, not once even my first time using it has it ever removed me from reality and I smoke the best pot in the world. Fact is pot in general is about as good in regards to THC as it will ever be. Pot is not LSD which really does remove you from reality.

The real problem afoot here is not us we have done nothing wrong but rather those like you who call us twisted and persecute us for using a plant.

Second, look, dude...pot is not a wonder drug. It just isn't. The Marijuana Party sunk itself with that argument...it should have stuck to the "relatively harmless" argument, because once it hung its hat on the medical marijuana argument, it was called upon to prove it, and in spite of the usual claims that "numerous studies have shown this and that," the fact is that there are not 'numerous studies', there are a few; double blind studies are almost non-existent; and such 'studies' as exist are mostly anecdotal or sloppy as hell. And don't produce some study, or second hand report on some study, and claim that I'm wrong, because a single exception is meaningless, and in any event the conclusions are probably not what you think they are.

I never said pot was a wonder drug but as a treatment for various ailments it has been proven time and time again to work as a 'treatment' not a cure. The marijuana party got the government to study medicinal marijuana which they did and now although very limited we do have a legal medical marijuana program.

There are a ton of studies going all the way back to the 1960's along with clinical trials. You can argue all you want that there aren't but irrefutable empirical evidence and personal testimony from those who do have a wide range of legitimate illnesses tell me and others that pot does have significant medicinal value. You have to remember that those who only use pot for medicinal purposes aren't getting all that high or anything and in many cases choose ingestion as a mode of taking cannabis.

The studies that say otherwise are often funded by major pharmaceutical companies who would lose a lot of money if pot were a mainstream treatment for ailments.

People have been using cannabis as a medication for thousands of years and continues to be used with success for patients. Since you don't want studies I won't post them but I will tell you that your assessment that cannabis has no medicinal value at all is flat out wrong.

I highly suggest you go down to a compassion club and talk to patients who use cannabis with success.

[shavluk]

Today we the GREENS received a gift courtesy of laytons ego again.

layton wont talk to us Greens or so he thought!!!!! hahhahaha

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Canada/975442.html

OTTAWA — If Elizabeth May gets her way, it could be a long night for Jack Layton.

The Green party leader won a charity auction for a dinner with her NDP counterpart and his wife, NDP MP Olivia Chow, and she plans to invite Liberal Leader Stephane Dion and his wife, Janine Kreiber, as her guests.

Ms. May also hopes to bring her daughter to the dinner, which is to be held at the Parliamentary Restaurant.

And as much as Mr. Layton would likely rather not sit down for dinner with Mr. Dion and Ms. May, it might be hard for him to get out of it, as Ms. May spent $1,000 for the prize in an impromptu auction during the press gallery dinner on Saturday night.

Mr. Layton, who attended the dinner but didn’t plan to speak, jumped up after Mr. Dion gave a speech poking fun at himself.

Mr. Layton auctioned off dinner for four with himself and Ms. Chow to raise money for a scholarship in memory of Dennis Bueckert, a respected Canadian Press environment and science reporter who died suddenly this year.

Ms. May said Monday she had already planned to make a $1,000 donation to the scholarship as she and Mr. Bueckert were old friends, so the auction was perfect.

"I decided I’ll go as high as $1,000," she said. "If anyone goes higher than that, I can’t afford it."

Ms. May has often complained that Mr. Layton has refused to meet with her.

Polls and election results suggest the Greens pose an electoral danger to the NDP, and Mr. Layton seems unwilling to do anything to lend legitimacy to Ms. May or her party. At the end of the auction, Mr. Layton did not even acknowledge that Ms. May was the winner.

Ms. May has led the Greens to new heights in opinion polls, but the party has never elected an MP and she is seen as a long shot against Conservative MP Peter MacKay in Central Nova, even though the Liberals agreed not to run a candidate there.

********continued in the link

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I for one would be hopeful of some common ground and real progress.

Amazing how some things just work out and here we got the meeting cheaper than it would have probably cost us in the first place hahhaha

Edited November 1, 2007 by shavluk

[old_bold&cold]

Shavluk, in what way does that have anything to do with you and your cause? The green Party barely will acknowledge you as a member, as most after having been shown your postings here, say Your are kidding right? This guy is not a candidate for any party is he?. So why would the meandering of May, even be a thought for you at all. None of them will admit to ver having any of your posted views and then quickly dismiss thisa a prank.

I will say this, when you atleast paste the reports about May and the winning of dinner with Layton, at least it is clear and resonable to all who read it. Once we get to your version of things well..... that odd drumming noise starts all over again. I can only hope that you have been certified insane, as to thing that you could exists as you are in a world like today, and still be labelled normal, is an a front to good taste. Yeah I know to you that means you taste good .....

[ScottSA]

[snip]

I highly suggest you go down to a compassion club and talk to patients who use cannabis with success.

And I highly suggest you take another look at your thesis. To compare a bunch of dopeheads to wine connoisseurs is nothing short of weird, and to claim that cannibis "culture" is the herbal equivalent of a fine wine club is like comparing a mechanics' night at the local strip club to Le Mans. Yes, I know they have cannabis cups in Amsterdam, where they "sample" strains of dope, but if they behaved like that at a wine fest, the entire joint would be puking or passed out within the hour. Looking at pictures of those "Cups," I can see why they all dropped out...no one in their right mind would hire the freaks. And guess what? When a wine tasting is over, no one cracks open a dozen beer and gets to serious drinkin' for the next few days, but when a Cannabis cup is over, everyone goes home and rolls a spliff. And then they wake up the next day and do the same, and the day after that...

You can call it a "culture" if it makes you feel better, but it's an emotional dependency. That's all.

[shavluk]

Shavluk, in what way does that have anything to do with you and your cause? The green Party barely will acknowledge you as a member, as most after having been shown your postings here, say Your are kidding right? This guy is not a candidate for any party is he?. So why would the meandering of May, even be a thought for you at all. None of them will admit to ver having any of your posted views and then quickly dismiss thisa a prank.

I will say this, when you atleast paste the reports about May and the winning of dinner with Layton, at least it is clear and resonable to all who read it. Once we get to your version of things well..... that odd drumming noise starts all over again. I can only hope that you have been certified insane, as to thing that you could exists as you are in a world like today, and still be labelled normal, is an a front to good taste. Yeah I know to you that means you taste good .....

Your sputtering style lost me.

Something about you and being green with envy?

Maybe when you sober up you could give it another go ,,OK ?

Cheers

[shavluk]

And I highly suggest you take another look at your thesis. To compare a bunch of dopeheads to wine connoisseurs is nothing short of weird, and to claim that cannibis "culture" is the herbal equivalent of a fine wine club is like comparing a mechanics' night at the local strip club to Le Mans. Yes, I know they have cannabis cups in Amsterdam, where they "sample" strains of dope, but if they behaved like that at a wine fest, the entire joint would be puking or passed out within the hour. Looking at pictures of those "Cups," I can see why they all dropped out...no one in their right mind would hire the freaks. And guess what? When a wine tasting is over, no one cracks open a dozen beer and gets to serious drinkin' for the next few days, but when a Cannabis cup is over, everyone goes home and rolls a spliff. And then they wake up the next day and do the same, and the day after that...

You can call it a "culture" if it makes you feel better, but it's an emotional dependency. That's all.

well i am glad we dealt with that important detail.

We now have Scotchs approval and that take us back to where we were,righto then.

You tells us scotcha.

Bizarre ,,

Your a hit with some of the kids constable er ,,Mr. Lahey wheres Randy?

Hahhahhahaha

Someone please take their hand cuffs off and let them out of my thread ,,oh please !!!

[Hydraboss]

Exactly how stoned are you right now? You write like a blithering idiot.

The first few posts I saw of yours seemed strange, but I just thought you were passionate about your dope. However, your responses have degraded to the point of becoming utter nonsense.

For the sake of everyone on this board, either start making sense or refrain from posting. Rants such as yours do not add to the conversation, or even provide comic relief...they just waste bandwidth.

[Amazing Atheist]

And I highly suggest you take another look at your thesis. To compare a bunch of dopeheads to wine connoisseurs is nothing short of weird, and to claim that cannibis "culture" is the herbal equivalent of a fine wine club is like comparing a mechanics' night at the local strip club to Le Mans. Yes, I know they have cannabis cups in Amsterdam, where they "sample" strains of dope, but if they behaved like that at a wine fest, the entire joint would be puking or passed out within the hour.

First of all I take offense to the term dopehead so please don't call me that.

Secondly it is not weird that some of us charish our weed, like wine there are different varieties of cannabis all offering something different, hand blown glass pieces which include bongs and pipes are collected the world over by cannabis connoisseurs as well.

BTW Cannabis Cup sucks...

Looking at pictures of those "Cups," I can see why they all dropped out...no one in their right mind would hire the freaks. And guess what? When a wine tasting is over, no one cracks open a dozen beer and gets to serious drinkin' for the next few days, but when a Cannabis cup is over, everyone goes home and rolls a spliff. And then they wake up the next day and do the same, and the day after that...

You know most cannabis users are casual responsible users right? You make us all seem like a bunch of crazed drug addicts who can't stop smoking pot etc.

I smoke on a daily basis but every couple of months I stop for 2 to 3 weeks no problem at all or with drawl symptoms.

You can call it a "culture" if it makes you feel better, but it's an emotional dependency. That's all.

It is not an emotional dependency. Nor is it a chemical dependency either.

Calling it a 'dependency' implies that we are all dependent on cannabis although this is not the case. Calling it emotional dependence implies that we have some sort of emotional attachment to the plant.

The only emotional dependency I can see in regards to pot is the love for this plant and it's effects. This being said if I had no choice but to stop smoking etc I would, I mean I would be bummed of course but it's no big deal like say quiting heroin or cocaine would be.

==

You say you smoked but I don't believe you I also don't believe you have any knowledge of the plant at all or it's effects on the human body.

[shavluk]

Exactly how stoned are you right now? You write like a blithering idiot.

The first few posts I saw of yours seemed strange, but I just thought you were passionate about your dope. However, your responses have degraded to the point of becoming utter nonsense.

For the sake of everyone on this board, either start making sense or refrain from posting. Rants such as yours do not add to the conversation, or even provide comic relief...they just waste bandwidth.

And yours do what?

Refrain? hahha

You are free to post in your own thread as well,,,snooze.

And as I didn't see any mod designation beside your name I will just file your comment in the appropriate place hahha.

Maybe go back and read it again , right o? And what I had just read.

I take it some of you are not beneath name calling and belittling statements?

[old_bold&cold]

Your sputtering style lost me.

Something about you and being green with envy?

Maybe when you sober up you could give it another go ,,OK ?

Cheers

No need to sober up on my part anyways. You are a fool who thinks that he has some sort of mission to make drugs legal. Your posts are unstable ramblings of completely unconnected rable, that only a twisted mind could ever understand. You are tolerated here, because we in the arms of openess, do allow even the strange and those who have reality issues, to have their say from time to time. You know that most people here think you are insane, but that will not stop you from trying to talk people into agreeing with you.

As I said before no one takes you seriously and if they were anyone, even a drunk from skid row that wanted to run for the Green party in your area, they would gladly boot you to the curb. As anything is better then you. I think you will find that they still may just go that root away, as you actually are now costing green candidates votes because people have heard your nonsense and will now never vote Green no matter what happen. That is why I was amazed when I found out you were a candidate, but no one wanted to admit you were part of anything when they saw your posts here. I guess that should make it clear even to you now doesn't it.

The Greens do not want you and we do not want you, but tolerate you. Any cause with any hope of getting people to take action on things, would never want you as part of their cause, because you are the perfect example of what not to be like in public life. Go back to your strip club, and maybe the girls there will let you tell them all about your great worth for causes, as long as you pay them for it. You said that if you did not get an apology from the mods, you would see the light and go away. Well I hope you go soon as nobody here will miss you for anything other then comic relief.

[ScottSA]

First of all I take offense to the term dopehead so please don't call me that.

Sure. Is "pothead" ok? How about "criminal?"

Yeah I smoked dope. Probably a lot more than you, son. I know all about how it makes you feel. Sometimes it's a head buzz and sometimes its a body stone, and sometimes, if its a nice light sativa, it's a euphoric high, and I liked that best. I never much cared for BC bud, because it knocked me on my ass in a big way, and I do like afghani, although the buds are so damned small it's not worth growing yourself, and if you import it, it's all dried out.

But that's not the point. I also know that it creates an emotional dependency...not a strong one in my case, but an overwhelming one in many cases. Both of us know, if you're willing to be honest, that there are people out there who simply can't deal with the world without pot. And that's not a good thing. It's not a "right," it's not a "club," and it most certainly isn't a "culture." It's a drug problem.

No one smokes dope to savor the taste of burning THC and zigzag rolling paper, they smoke dope to get high. You can paint this pig with lipstick and dress it up with a gucci handbag, but it's still a pig.

[shavluk]

No need to sober up on my part anyways. You are a fool who thinks that he has some sort of mission to make drugs legal. Your posts are unstable ramblings of completely unconnected rable, that only a twisted mind could ever understand. You are tolerated here, because we in the arms of openess, do allow even the strange and those who have reality issues, to have their say from time to time. You know that most people here think you are insane, but that will not stop you from trying to talk people into agreeing with you.

As I said before no one takes you seriously and if they were anyone, even a drunk from skid row that wanted to run for the Green party in your area, they would gladly boot you to the curb. As anything is better then you. I think you will find that they still may just go that root away, as you actually are now costing green candidates votes because people have heard your nonsense and will now never vote Green no matter what happen. That is why I was amazed when I found out you were a candidate, but no one wanted to admit you were part of anything when they saw your posts here. I guess that should make it clear even to you now doesn't it.

The Greens do not want you and we do not want you, but tolerate you. Any cause with any hope of getting people to take action on things, would never want you as part of their cause, because you are the perfect example of what not to be like in public life. Go back to your strip club, and maybe the girls there will let you tell them all about your great worth for causes, as long as you pay them for it. You said that if you did not get an apology from the mods, you would see the light and go away. Well I hope you go soon as nobody here will miss you for anything other then comic relief.

You really are taking a shine to me aren't you?

I am of course expecting you to help me with the real campaign as well ?

I really do appreciate all your fine work on my campaign , if not just that legible last post.

Now that you have invested all this time helping me while you work in that ndp office ,, maybe you will now spot me a few dollars just so that you can continue to enjoy my soon to be crushing defeat all the more?

Stay tuned ,,

Same time ,,same channel ,,hahhhaha

Yeah I am too Green , I guess in your world.

And if I lived there that may be a problem.

I don't and have faith kind sir.

I am bad news for some I certainly will be for my opponents in the next federal election.

The only ones who need worry about me are the people of Newton North Delta and I am working for them as well , although I contribute my thoughts to the Party as well and so far I have found them refreshing compared to the layton Regime of lies.

Thanks for taking the time and I really have to say I do in fact thank you if you have indeed gotten any attention for me to the message I am in fact trying to get out here.

Same as I have for 16 years and the same as I will be doing if being tooo Green is a problem to anyone that matters , Mr fear-filled existence.

i doubt it.

[Amazing Atheist]

Yeah I smoked dope. Probably a lot more than you, son. I know all about how it makes you feel. Sometimes it's a head buzz and sometimes its a body stone, and sometimes, if its a nice light sativa, it's a euphoric high, and I liked that best. I never much cared for BC bud, because it knocked me on my ass in a big way, and I do like afghani, although the buds are so damned small it's not worth growing yourself, and if you import it, it's all dried out.

Most crops grown now originated with seeds that came from BC... Also Indica gives you the euphoric stone you mention and Sativa gives you the body stone. Afghani is also an Indica not a Sativa. The buds on the plant if grown properly are also not that small and it is totally worth it to grow your own, this plant also has a high concentration of THC. Also pot is not imported into Canada anymore they are all grown here including the Afghani strain which did originate in Afghanistan years ago.

But that's not the point. I also know that it creates an emotional dependency...not a strong one in my case, but an overwhelming one in many cases. Both of us know, if you're willing to be honest, that there are people out there who simply can't deal with the world without pot. And that's not a good thing. It's not a "right," it's not a "club," and it most certainly isn't a "culture." It's a drug problem.

Some people do develop a psychological dependency I will admit this however it is not all that hard to quit smoking even with this dependency. A psychological addiction is the proper term to be used here and it can be a problem.

No one said that pot was a culture itself but a culture has formed around this plant and we do have every right to use something provided by nature at our own discretion provided we don't harm anyone else. No one has the right although they think they do to tell us what we can and cannot do behind closed doors or interfere with our personal lives.

No one smokes dope to savor the taste of burning THC and zigzag rolling paper, they smoke dope to get high. You can paint this pig with lipstick and dress it up with a gucci handbag, but it's still a pig.

I actually do smoke weed not only to catch a buzz but yes to indeed savor the flavor. THC levels in pot can not go any higher then they are now so plants can only be judged on taste. Also smoking it you can only smoke so much before you hit a peak in which you won't get any higher this is typically known as greening out.

Your pig analogy also fits no where into this conversation at all. It is mind boggling how someone can deny a culture simply because they don't agree with the activities the people take part in.

[shavluk]

Sure. Is "pothead" ok? How about "criminal?"

Yeah I smoked dope. Probably a lot more than you, son. I know all about how it makes you feel. Sometimes it's a head buzz and sometimes its a body stone, and sometimes, if its a nice light sativa, it's a euphoric high, and I liked that best. I never much cared for BC bud, because it knocked me on my ass in a big way, and I do like afghani, although the buds are so damned small it's not worth growing yourself, and if you import it, it's all dried out.

But that's not the point. I also know that it creates an emotional dependency...not a strong one in my case, but an overwhelming one in many cases. Both of us know, if you're willing to be honest, that there are people out there who simply can't deal with the world without pot. And that's not a good thing. It's not a "right," it's not a "club," and it most certainly isn't a "culture." It's a drug problem.

No one smokes dope to savor the taste of burning THC and zigzag rolling paper, they smoke dope to get high. You can paint this pig with lipstick and dress it up with a gucci handbag, but it's still a pig.

You are wrong , AGAIN!

Calling us names like you are some superior being ,some holyer than thou type ,eh?

You should be ashamed of yourself and I know quite honestly that you wouldn't call me one to my face ! period!

You proved my point about just missing cannabis.

Your view of it made me think of confessional at a weight watchers convention.

You were able to describe quite easily your view of it.

What a police officer?

Fear alone stops your blocked existance of life.

Some job like law enforcement?

When did that ever stop them?

We have people assembling lists of police , judges , lawyers , school teachers , firemen, you name it that have tried cannabis , but wont come out of the closet , like they will get some redemption some day ,,ahha

So be stronger and respect others choices as well !

You dont need to keep saying the same things ,,THAT IS INSANITY!

You are just rude to us , just get over it.

HYPOCRITE is also what we would call some one like you,

if we were in fact just like you ,

so as we are not,

I wont then call you a ,, HYPOCRITE !!

Whale

Oil

Beef

Hooked

Edited November 2, 2007 by shavluk

[ScottSA]

Most crops grown now originated with seeds that came from BC... Also Indica gives you the euphoric stone you mention and Sativa gives you the body stone. Afghani is also an Indica not a Sativa. The buds on the plant if grown properly are also not that small and it is totally worth it to grow your own, this plant also has a high concentration of THC. Also pot is not imported into Canada anymore they are all grown here including the Afghani strain which did originate in Afghanistan years ago.

Yes, I got my indicas and sativas reversed. See the damage pot does? And look what it's done to Shavluk. Oy vey. Take heed.

There are no "rights" involved. Do you know what a "right" is? That word has been so cheapened by every silly interest group out there claiming it that it's virtually meaningless, and I frankly can't think of a sillier interest group than the MJ lobby.

[Amazing Atheist]

Yes, I got my indicas and sativas reversed. See the damage pot does? And look what it's done to Shavluk. Oy vey. Take heed.

Please pot doesn't make you crazy or stupid because it does not harm the brain. I have been using it for years and I'm alright... Or at least I think I am anyways... The short term memory loss as a result of using Cannabis is short term and goes away as soon as the high wears out or at least it does for me anyway.

There are no "rights" involved. Do you know what a "right" is? That word has been so cheapened by every silly interest group out there claiming it that it's virtually meaningless, and I frankly can't think of a sillier interest group than the MJ lobby.

Nature provides a plant one that man has used for thousands of years and all of a sudden almost a century ago it is banned along with alcohol and other substances without cause. We as a people and I am talking about everyone not just people who use pot now had the right to use this plant stripped from us.

Civil rights are involved here along with our rights to freedom of expression and consciousness. Keeping Cannabis illegal just because some people don't like it is or should be illegal especially since the users do not harm anyone else anymore then people who do not use it.

As someone who is ambitious I don't only see legalization as a victory restoring our rights to freely access this plant but I also see money to be made and jobs to be created. I also see a significant decrease in crime over a short amount of time similar to the drop that occurred when alcohol was made legal again.

This is a 7 billion dollar a year industry that should be controlled by legit business and government regulation and not organized crime. If people cannot agree with this as a cause for legalization then they themselves are ignorant not only of the facts but history as well.

[Guest trex]

I frankly can't think of a sillier interest group than the MJ lobby.

The MJ lobby is not only trying to have the right to smoke dope for enjoyment and medicine, they also want to help get people out of jail who have been given these terribly damaging prison sentences, some worse than a rapist would get, someone who has definitely and seriously harmed another person yet their sentence is less severe. How can that be justified.

The fallout goes beyond the prisoner too, as in some cases in the United States ordinary people like you and me, who you would otherwise never know like to smoke pot end up losing everything and going to jail for 20 years, for a very small grow in their basement. Not only do they lose their house and job/career but it harms their immediate families immensly too. In this case the ounishment is more harmful than the drug, by a wide margin.

So this is not just about the right to party, but to have a more balanced law that is fair, where the punishment (if one is even necessary) fits the crime.

Edited November 2, 2007 by trex

[shavluk]

****

Yes, I got my indicas and sativas reversed. See the damage pot does? And look what it's done to Shavluk. Oy vey. Take heed.

There are no "rights" involved. Do you know what a "right" is? That word has been so cheapened by every silly interest group out there claiming it that it's virtually meaningless, and I frankly can't think of a sillier interest group than the MJ lobby***** quote

You have a right to not post on this thread and think you are contributing.

Edited November 2, 2007 by shavluk

[ScottSA]

You have a right to not post on this thread and think you are contributing.

Right. Any chance of the English edition being posted? Oh wait, never mind.

[Hydraboss]

The MJ lobby is not only trying to have the right to smoke dope for enjoyment and medicine, they also want to help get people out of jail who have been given these terribly damaging prison sentences, some worse than a rapist would get, someone who has definitely and seriously harmed another person yet their sentence is less severe. How can that be justified.

The fallout goes beyond the prisoner too, as in some cases in the United States ordinary people like you and me, who you would otherwise never know like to smoke pot end up losing everything and going to jail for 20 years, for a very small grow in their basement. Not only do they lose their house and job/career but it harms their immediate families immensly too. In this case the ounishment is more harmful than the drug, by a wide margin.

So this is not just about the right to party, but to have a more balanced law that is fair, where the punishment (if one is even necessary) fits the crime.

So where does the addiction kick in? If I know that I could get 20 years in the clink and lose everything that matters to me, and I still do it, do you know what that's called?

Addiction. Also stupidity, but mainly addiction. The punishment is not nearly harsh enough...for either case. Rapists should be subject to capital punishment (no reoffending there) and dope grow ops should be subject to life imprisonment. There, that settled that now didn't it.

Someone pass me a (legal) beer. And would someone please wake up shavluk.

[buffycat]

So where does the addiction kick in? If I know that I could get 20 years in the clink and lose everything that matters to me, and I still do it, do you know what that's called?

Addiction. Also stupidity, but mainly addiction. The punishment is not nearly harsh enough...for either case. Rapists should be subject to capital punishment (no reoffending there) and dope grow ops should be subject to life imprisonment. There, that settled that now didn't it.

Someone pass me a (legal) beer. And would someone please wake up shavluk.

Be happy then that Alcohol Prohibition was lifted!! Or in your world you'd be looking at jail time!!

Prohibition of any the so-called 'vices' never works - but it makes some really unsavoury folks mighty rich. Hmmm.. think of it - it they DO legalize cannabis does that mean that Marc Emercy will gain the same kind of status as the Bronfmans, Kennedys and all the other nice fellas who made their fortunes running ILLEGAL booze during all those years?

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So where does the addiction kick in? If I know that I could get 20 years in the clink and lose everything that matters to me, and I still do it, do you know what that's called?

Addiction. Also stupidity, but mainly addiction. The punishment is not nearly harsh enough...for either case. Rapists should be subject to capital punishment (no reoffending there) and dope grow ops should be subject to life imprisonment. There, that settled that now didn't it.

In your own violent viewpoint. Shall we say, for every theft the loss of a hand. How about public beheadings too, as deterrence for others to see. How about a black burka next.

Look, its true that they are doing something illegal. The question os of the sentence vs. the ipact of such illegal act on society, thats how you decide what is fair.

For instance, young people are naive and make mistakes, poor choices. How many of us tried a little pot when we were teenagers? But if you were 18 and get caught, by your reconing they have a lifetime of misery ahead of them for making that mistake.

Enjoy your beer. It was illegal about 70 years ago, you would be busted. Because they would have said, by drinking it you are a danger to society.