Fascism returns to Europe

[ScottSA]

Well, one cant be sure with you. You get confused.

Why not answer about the "brutal violence ?"

Because you cant. There wasnt any and you know that. But you infuse your own insecurities on something that plainly did not take place.

You do that a lot.

Right. I'll ask the Belgian police to come over to your house and hang one of these on your genitals, since as you say, it's all sweetness and light and there's nothing unduly "brutal" about it. Oh, and remember, the guy didn't fight in any way. He didn't do anything to actually deserve it. Do that to a Musselman and you'd have riots across Europe.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2441

Guyser, you just don't have the neural capacity to fight battles of the mind. You need to forget about these kinds of things and go back to rushing like a lemming off the cliff of "it can't happen here," but doing it without wasting other people's time. It's not just that you're wrong; it's that you don't even get what the argument is about.

[Bonam]

Ah, but it is illegal to do so. This is the point you fail to grasp, time and again. As was this demonstration.

So if something is illegal, then it's wrong, period? What is being questioned is not the legality of what the police did, but rather the ethics and correctness of it.

I would think that democratic countries like Belgium , where one can appeal to the courts ( and still be denied) would not be fascist.

As for your analogy, where could the Jews have appealed? They couldn't and thus improper .

So if there was a place where Jews could have appealed, and then have been denied their appeal, then the Holocaust would have been legal and A-OK? Sorry, don't buy it.

Remember, Europe is connected by land to Asia and Africa. North America isn't. Luckily, our neighbors, Canadians and Mexicans, accept the basic premise of the United States. Muslims do not accept the Western premise of general openness.

Physical land connection or lack thereof doesn't mean much these days. People can fly in and such.

[jbg]

Physical land connection or lack thereof doesn't mean much these days. People can fly in and such.

Not in such mass numbers. Land connections make it far easier to blend in, and once in an open society, stay there with or without status.

Airports are somewhat intimidating places for non-status people.

[Bonam]

Well, for Canada anyway, I am pretty sure the amount of legal immigrants that fly in is vastly greater than the amount of illegal immigrants that walk in across the US border.

[M.Dancer]

A true democratic society does not ban a peaceful political demonstration. In the US, the most free democracy in the world, even the KKK are free to parade if that is their choice, with police protecting their right to do so.

Clearly the Belgians, like so many on the left, do not have much enthusiasm for freedom of speech unless they agree with the speech.

If those are the choices I am given, to allow what ever hate filled activists spread their fatal message for the sake of an ideal, then allow us Queen Esther's amendment, they are free to march and we are free to pelt them with garbage.....

[guyser]

Guyser, you just don't have the neural capacity to fight battles of the mind.

LOL, this is your answer to brutality and illegality, and of course your own hyperbole talking about something that didnt happen.

Thanks!

[guyser]

So if something is illegal, then it's wrong, period?

Not at all really. Plenty of good comes from the public standing up against social injustice.

What is being questioned is not the legality of what the police did, but rather the ethics and correctness of it.

The OP originally posted about the wholesale rounding up of people (2 or 3) and the brutality that occured (none did that I saw-it was OP's video)

Had the argument instead been about the stupidity and blatant PC denial of the protest permit by the Mayor, well then I dont think I would have a problem.

So if there was a place where Jews could have appealed, and then have been denied their appeal, then the Holocaust would have been legal and A-OK? Sorry, don't buy it.

Argus put that in there and frankly I fail to see the connection and should not have commented.

No way do I think it ok that if the Jews had an appeal process would I endorse that as legal. I was not selling that in any way.

Jews were arrested for being Jew. The people in the video were arrested for ignoring the lack of the towns permit for the meeting.

People get arrested for lots of stupid laws that I and others dont support, but it is hardly surprising that one does get arrested for breaking them.

[Jerry Galinda]

Sorry Jerry. The term 'fascism' refers to a lock step mentality of repression, the spirit of which is taken from the 20th century fascist movements around the world in the last century. The repression of a peaceful demonstration in Brussels is in keeping with that mentality.

The term 'fascism' - is not proper for the situation in Brussels.

You offend ant-fascists who were killed during II World war.

[Argus]

The facts of this event are that they applied and were denied to hold this rally,they appealed and lost and they did it anyway .

I am only saying that they were arrested for the demo. Not because of nor in spite of it being peaceful.

The op said it was peaceful thus any action against them was fascist. No they were arrested for holding something illegal. I would think that democratic countries like Belgium , where one can appeal to the courts ( and still be denied) would not be fascist.

As for your analogy, where could the Jews have appealed? They couldn't and thus improper .

Your position appears to be that as long as there is a law and the courts sustain it then everything is hunky-dory. Well, the Germans passed a law against Jews, and the German courts upheld that law. Clearly, therefore, they were right to arrest all those Jews.

If the federal government banned all political demonstrations and the courts - staffed by judges they had put in place - upheld that ban would you simply shrug away police arrests of people trying to demonstrate and say "Hey, it's the law, you know." ?

[Argus]

If those are the choices I am given, to allow what ever hate filled activists spread their fatal message for the sake of an ideal, then allow us Queen Esther's amendment, they are free to march and we are free to pelt them with garbage.....

Hate filled activists? Who says they were hate filled activists? Because they're anti-immigrant they're "hate filled"?

They are described as 'far right" but that is a meaningless term in Europe. John Wayne would be described as far right to them.

[guyser]

Well, the Germans passed a law against Jews, and the German courts upheld that law. Clearly, therefore, they were right to arrest all those Jews.

I am sorry you feel that way. Being legal and right are two different things.

If the federal government banned all political demonstrations and the courts - staffed by judges they had put in place - upheld that ban would you simply shrug away police arrests of people trying to demonstrate and say "Hey, it's the law, you know." ?

Considering I did not say that how could you think I do?

But if the law says that, right or wrong then it would be legal. I may not agree with it, as I have said all along.

[ScottSA]

Hate filled activists? Who says they were hate filled activists? Because they're anti-immigrant they're "hate filled"?

They are described as 'far right" but that is a meaningless term in Europe. John Wayne would be described as far right to them.

You have to understand that Momo is a smart guy with a mental block when it comes to brown folk. Protesting against the Nazis would be to him wonderful, unless those same Nazis had brown skin, in which case it's "hate filled." As more or less proved by his position here. We have a small group of people peacefully protesting against a totalitarian death cult masquerading as a religion making incremental advances into law and government, and getting beaten up and arrested for their trouble. Were they Jews in Germany circa 1936, Momo would be in a state of outrage, as would the rest of us. Were they Blacks in Alabama circa 1962, Momo would be in a state of outrage. Paint them White and plop them in Brussels in 2007, fighting for the same ideals, but against brown skinned fascists, and Momo suddenly discovers that it's all about "hate." It's silly, but hey, sometimes Momo gets that way...

[Higgly]

I would care much less on a personal level, that's true. But part of the problem is that it wouldn't happen. Have you missed the elephant squatting on the table? Have you missed the riots, the car burnings, and the general uproar everytime someone does something that mildly annoys Islamic Rage Boy, and the grovelling apology and appeasement from European politicians that follows? Where are the police when the cars burn? Where are the arrests? Where's the outrage? Apparently the police prefer to muster their forces to prevent duly elected politicians from peacefully saying they've had enough.

How long do you think the Eurocrats can keep a lid on the ever widening discontent at the incremental destruction of European civilization?

Jeez, and here that fire I saw on the news down on the Danforth was an auto junkyard.

ScottSA, just how much Islamic terrorism have you seen here in Canada? There was one case of a group of guys plotting to bomb the CN Tower and they were turned in by people in the Moslem community.

[kengs333]

Jeez, and here that fire I saw on the news down on the Danforth was an auto junkyard.

ScottSA, just how much Islamic terrorism have you seen here in Canada? There was one case of a group of guys plotting to bomb the CN Tower and they were turned in by people in the Moslem community.

It's safe to say that it's a matter of time in Canada, and unfortunately, I think that the underlying desire and support of such an act is probably more widespread than many would want to believe.

[Higgly]

Do you have any evidence of this, or is this just more Bush-generated paranoia?

[kengs333]

So somebody has to be a devotee of George W. Bush if they make a comment about Islamic terrorism being a likelihood in Canada? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. I prefer to inform myself about topics and then draw conclusions based on the facts that have been presented. If the best you can to is insult the intelligence of people who have differing opinions to yours, don't expect much respect for you opinions. So maybe you would care to rethink what you wrote in your last post and come up with something a little less stupid, and then maybe I'll consider getting into a serious discussion on this topic. Sound fair to you?

[ScottSA]

Jeez, and here that fire I saw on the news down on the Danforth was an auto junkyard.

ScottSA, just how much Islamic terrorism have you seen here in Canada? There was one case of a group of guys plotting to bomb the CN Tower and they were turned in by people in the Moslem community.

You must have missed the topic of this thread, and all the posts. That's a shame, because you would have noticed that nothing here is talking about terrorism. Perhaps you'd better go back and read up before blurting out in a thread about European Islamification that no one has pasted a grenade to your ass in Canada lately. How nice for you, but rather irrelevant to this thread.

[jbg]

Do you have any evidence of this, or is this just more Bush-generated paranoia?

Do you have any evidence that Bush talked to Kengs333? Edited September 21, 2007 by jbg

[Black Dog]

I would care much less on a personal level, that's true. But part of the problem is that it wouldn't happen.

What wouldn't happen? Protests get busted up by the cops around the world all the time. Doesn't represent fascism. Cee-rist, you sound like one of those "moonbats" I've heard so much about.

Have you missed the elephant squatting on the table? Have you missed the riots, the car burnings, and the general uproar everytime someone does something that mildly annoys Islamic Rage Boy, and the grovelling apology and appeasement from European politicians that follows?

How could I miss it when so many valiant sci-fi fans troll the internets day and night to bring it to our attention?

Where are the police when the cars burn? Where are the arrests? Where's the outrage? Apparently the police prefer to muster their forces to prevent duly elected politicians from peacefully saying they've had enough.

False dichotomy, not to mention the claim that the cops aren't doing anything to prevent the riots car burning etc is suspiciously uncited.

How long do you think the Eurocrats can keep a lid on the ever widening discontent at the incremental destruction of European civilization.

Wait: I thought you just there was no outrage.

[ScottSA]

What wouldn't happen? Protests get busted up by the cops around the world all the time. Doesn't represent fascism. Cee-rist, you sound like one of those "moonbats" I've heard so much about.

How could I miss it when so many valiant sci-fi fans troll the internets day and night to bring it to our attention?

False dichotomy, not to mention the claim that the cops aren't doing anything to prevent the riots car burning etc is suspiciously uncited.

Wait: I thought you just there was no outrage.

Stop trolling. At least I hope you're trolling...if not, you'd better go back to kindergarten and learn enough critical thinking skills to allow you to walk down the street without careening off light poles.

[M.Dancer]

Kind of ironic though, a political germanic party based on racial lines accusing the multi-racial government of fascism.....yeah yeah I know, aryanism and fascism are interchangable terms.....but it's still funny

[ScottSA]

Kind of ironic though, a political germanic party based on racial lines accusing the multi-racial government of fascism.....yeah yeah I know, aryanism and fascism are interchangable terms.....but it's still funny

Eeerrr...can you explain that statement, since it bears no resemblence to either the Vlaams Belang or SIOE? How did a Flemish secessionist party get to be a "racial" party? Or is it just that every time you see "german" you think "fascist?"

Edited September 22, 2007 by ScottSA

[Jerry Galinda]

Sorry Jerry. The term 'fascism' refers to a lock step mentality of repression, the spirit of which is taken from the 20th century fascist movements around the world in the last century. The repression of a peaceful demonstration in Brussels is in keeping with that mentality.

“The term 'fascism' refers to a lock step mentality of repression, the spirit of which is taken from the 20th century fascist movements around the world in the last century” ??

I have many doubts - that it’s a spirit of fascism !!

It is a “mentality of repression” ?? - fascism it’s a mentality of TERROR - like as Stalinism !

Don’t be ridiculous.

Nobody in fascist Germany or Stalin’s Russia could not even to think about any kind of opposition or demonstrations.

It’s only a stupid epithet which may offend opponents and offend ant-fascists who were killed during II World war..

"Brussels Mayor Freddy Thielemans banned the protest last month, calling SIOE an inflammatory group and its proposed demonstration a threat to public order. An appeals court upheld the ban Aug. 29."

It is procedure similar to procedures which were in fascist Germany ??????

[ScottSA]

“The term 'fascism' refers to a lock step mentality of repression, the spirit of which is taken from the 20th century fascist movements around the world in the last century” ??

I have many doubts - that it’s a spirit of fascism !!

It is a “mentality of repression” ?? - fascism it’s a mentality of TERROR - like as Stalinism !

Don’t be ridiculous.

Nobody in fascist Germany or Stalin’s Russia could not even to think about any kind of opposition or demonstrations.

It’s only a stupid epithet which may offend opponents and offend ant-fascists who were killed during II World war..

"Brussels Mayor Freddy Thielemans banned the protest last month, calling SIOE an inflammatory group and its proposed demonstration a threat to public order. An appeals court upheld the ban Aug. 29."

It is procedure similar to procedures which were in fascist Germany ??????

Yes.

[Jerry Galinda]

Yes.

"It is procedure similar to procedures which were in fascist Germany ??????" - Your "Yes" - means that you are ridiculous boy - without knowledge -or nutcase - provocateur.