Why is May so quiet these days?

[betsy]

Maybe I'm not as attentive to the news like before. But I was expecting her to second the press conference of Dion. Issue the same challenge and threat. What with the UN meeting next month. She should be foaming along with her Liberal side-kick.

Vive la Environment!

What's the latest on Elizabeth May? She seemed to have fizzled out....what happened?

Edited August 27, 2007 by betsy

[old_bold&cold]

She really does not have much to add to the facts that has not already been given, and parroting the points given by others may have now been seen as maybe not being so great an idea. I can only hope that she and the Green party actually have taken some time and effort to gather up and set out a proper agenda and platform, incase of a fall election call. If the green party actually had a good proper agenda and platform to run on, with issues that cover much more then environmental only, then the Liberals would probably lose many votes and maybe even some seats to them. As it now sits it is mostly the NDP that lose votes to the green party, and that does not seem to be enough to gain them a seat or two.

Edited August 27, 2007 by old_bold&cold

[Fortunata]

I can only hope that she and the Green party actually have taken some time and effort to gather up and set out a proper agenda and platform, incase of a fall election call. If the green party actually had a good proper agenda and platform to run on, with issues that cover much more then environmental only, then the Liberals would probably lose many votes and maybe even some seats to them.

The Green Party does have more than environmental policies. www.greenparty.ca

[Bonam]

Really it seems like the whole need or idea of a "Green" party is kind of outdated. Green parties came about when concerns about the environment first emerged, but when most governments and large parties completely ignored these issues. For someone that cared about the environment, the Green party was the only one that spoke to them. Today, the environment issue is in the forefront, and all parties discuss it and put forth proposals and ideas on it. The need for a green party just doesn't exist anymore, when green policies are now in the agendas, to one extent or another, of the mainstream parties.

[M.Dancer]

Really it seems like the whole need or idea of a "Green" party is kind of outdated. Green parties came about when concerns about the environment first emerged, but when most governments and large parties completely ignored these issues. For someone that cared about the environment, the Green party was the only one that spoke to them. Today, the environment issue is in the forefront, and all parties discuss it and put forth proposals and ideas on it. The need for a green party just doesn't exist anymore, when green policies are now in the agendas, to one extent or another, of the mainstream parties.

Yes well, the Original Greens are in Europe, where there agenda was never wholley environment based. They were a loose coalition of anti establishment activists who campaigned for disarmement among other things. Aside from not daydreaming nostalgically about the Soviet Union, there was little to distinguish them from the socialist parties in my opinion.

[White Doors]

maybe she is all flabberghasted about Nasa revising the temperature data..

[Rue]

Yes well, the Original Greens are in Europe, where there agenda was never wholley environment based. They were a loose coalition of anti establishment activists who campaigned for disarmement among other things. Aside from not daydreaming nostalgically about the Soviet Union, there was little to distinguish them from the socialist parties in my opinion.

Actually Dancedude I know of few socialist regimes that really cared about the environment. Most were heavily dependent on unions for support and unions are quite reactionary to environmental concepts.

I actually found many Green Party economic policies pro small business and free enterprise-if anything libertarian.

I do concur however with your comments about their original supporters being a cross section of leftists and not rightists but that changed very fast as it went mainstream.

LOL, I doubt Greens dreamed nostalgically about the Soviets. Greenpeace had its problems with the Soviet Union as much as it did France, the US, etc. Nuclear subs were nuclear subs to the Greens. They went after Soviet nuclear subs or whalers as hard as they did Japanese ones, etc. and the KGB had its run ins with Greenpeace as did its navy. Be fair, the Greens got on everyone's nerves equally. They were hardly pro any socialist regime that polluted and still aren't.

You want to stereotype Greens, don't think of them as Jack Layton supporters. I would suspect a more accurate slur would be guilt ridden well to do baby boomers.

I am a Green wannabee only I am not rich enough to afford a hybrid yet or cool enough to hang with Leo DeCapprio and Pork-Al Gore and I have tried to sleep with Cameron Diaz but she won't answer my phone calls.

Pork-Al is a good stereotyoe of today's Greens-a mix of people from all political beliefs brought together by feelings of guilt for being wealthy and driving suv's but not wanting to change their lifestyle so looking for something to make them feel good so they can keep driving their suv's. Hybrid that suv and all will be well er so it goes. But still, its a start and as easy as it ease to take shots at Pork Al or Leo at least they are getting people to pay attention and question their way of life and that is important.

Regards,

the guy* who wants to sleep with Cameron Diaz and is up on his Green stuff in case it impresses her

*yah right, I also have a thing for Jody Foster, like that will happen

Edited August 27, 2007 by Rue

[marcinmoka]

Greenpeace had its problems with the Soviet Union as much as it did France, the US, etc

As much?

The West, even in it's worse, was a FAR greater steward or the earth than any socialist regime ever was. The reason for their silence was moreso the lack of transparency or openness. The closest contact many nuclear and industrial sites ever had with the West was by means of U2's, Blackbirds and satellites, means far beyond those of a genuine NGO.

And likewise, the only reason they don't come under attack now is due to the collapse of industry (Warsaw Pact nations were the most "successful" in meeting their Kyoto obligations, and would profit handsomely with an Int'l Cap & Trade system).

[Rue]

Really it seems like the whole need or idea of a "Green" party is kind of outdated. Green parties came about when concerns about the environment first emerged, but when most governments and large parties completely ignored these issues. For someone that cared about the environment, the Green party was the only one that spoke to them. Today, the environment issue is in the forefront, and all parties discuss it and put forth proposals and ideas on it. The need for a green party just doesn't exist anymore, when green policies are now in the agendas, to one extent or another, of the mainstream parties.

I hear you and I think if Green goes mainstream which it certainly has-(Liberal in Canada, Democrat in the US) it will necessarily be compromised and die out.

It is inconceivable to me the Democratic Party in the US which would like people to believe it is the home for Greenies could be as this same party depends heavily on union support and unions are diametrically opposed to any green concepts since they will cause losses in jobs.

In Canada, Stephanie Dion can cloak himself all he wants in Greenisms, but he fools no one. LIberal regimes ahev been huge polluters whether its federally or provincially.

[Bonam]

unions are diametrically opposed to any green concepts since they will cause losses in jobs.

Greenness that causes losses in jobs is totally the wrong way to go about it. The solution to our pollution problems is not shutting down plants and factories, but rather developing new, cleaner technologies and building new facilities based on these technologies. Gone about the right way, green concepts create jobs, they don't cause losses. That's why governments need to go about environmental goals in positive ways, such as subsidies for clean energy development, tax rebates for buying less polluting alternatives to common items (i.e. hybrids/electric/fuel cell cars). And I think that that's something that our governments have already figured out, even Republican and Conservative ones to a certain extent. Parties that want to go further than that, by implementing draconian restrictions, caps, taxes, etc, are on the wrong path.

[M.Dancer]

LOL, I doubt Greens dreamed nostalgically about the Soviets.

Maybe I wasn't clear, I meant that the difference between the Greens and the European Socialists was that the Socialists looked to Moscow for direction.