kuzadd Posted August 9, 2007 Report Posted August 9, 2007 http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/11776 A massive joint military exercise involving Russia and the other members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation is about to start in the Chelyabinsk region in the Urals. The organization consists of six central Asian countries, which co-operate on security matters.The manoeuvres called Peace Mission 2007 will involve more than 6,000 troops. Thousands of troops, tonnes of equipment and dozens of planes and helicopters - orchestrating the arrival of the Shaghai Cooperative Organisation’s Peace Mission 2007 - requires military precision before it's even begun. Russia is readying itself for action and hosting soldiers and pilots from five other nations in an area which, during the Soviet Union was closed off, from the prying eyes of those outside the USSR, let alone their military. With a warm welcome after touching down at Chagall airport near Chelyabinsk, the paratroopers and air personnel from China will be joined by thousands more troops from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. They will train together and only then will the war games commence. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted August 9, 2007 Author Report Posted August 9, 2007 gonna include an opinion piece wrt this story http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=11422 Paul Craig Roberts This new potent military alliance is a real world response to neoconservative delusions about US hegemony. Neocons believe that the US is supreme in the world and can dictate its course. The neoconservative idiots have actually written papers, read by Russians and Chinese, about why the US must use its military superiority to assert hegemony over Russia and China.Cynics believe that the neocons are just shills, like Bush and Cheney, for the military-security complex and are paid to restart the cold war for the sake of the profits of the armaments industry. But the fact is that the neocons actually believe their delusions about American hegemony. Russia and China have now witnessed enough of the Bush administration's unprovoked aggression in the world to take neocon intentions seriously. As the US has proven that it cannot occupy the Iraqi city of Baghdad despite 5 years of efforts, it most certainly cannot occupy Russia or China. That means the conflict toward which the neocons are driving will be a nuclear conflict. it isn't iran he is referring to either Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
M.Dancer Posted August 9, 2007 Report Posted August 9, 2007 Yeah, So? what is this? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2007 Report Posted August 10, 2007 Yawn....China and Russia have both been occupied by US forces, which can project power around the world, while Russia still hasn't figured out Chechnya...ditto China and Taiwan. Iraq is most certainly occupied with a capital "O". Get back to us when they learn how to leave the continent with their big bad armies. Hint: cross an ocean or two Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Â
marcinmoka Posted August 10, 2007 Report Posted August 10, 2007 (edited) Russia still hasn't figured out Chechnya They have. It just happens to be in a way which is systematically in contravention of all concievable ethical and moral war time conventions. This was particularly true upon the second round, once they managed to remove all those pesky reporters. An homage to its Stalinist past? I sadly have to agree. Russia & China head military operation I don't think NATO is too worried about this. It should be highlighted that this is less likely a genuine war game than it is a demo centered "trade-show" meant to entice the relatively free spending Chinese forces into buying quasi-modern kit, plus an effective means of "educating" the neighbors about the consequences of forming alliances with Islamist subversives, all rolled into one. Edited August 10, 2007 by marcinmoka Quote " Influence is far more powerful than control"
Bonam Posted August 10, 2007 Report Posted August 10, 2007 Yup, it's mainly a weapons show. China is trying to rapidly modernise its military, and Russia is only too eager to make as much money off that as they can. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 10, 2007 Report Posted August 10, 2007 Yup, it's mainly a weapons show. China is trying to rapidly modernise its military, and Russia is only too eager to make as much money off that as they can. Yep...we've already seen this Sino-Soviet movie over 50 years ago. This time it will just be in color. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Â
marcinmoka Posted August 10, 2007 Report Posted August 10, 2007 China is trying to rapidly modernise its military, and Russia is only too eager to make as much money off that as they can. I would not say as much money, but pretty close, because even Russia refuses to sell them their juiciest kit. With Russia's resource wealth and China's resource thirst, that would be akin to tying your own noose. Quote " Influence is far more powerful than control"
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