kuzadd Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 The survey recognises that armed conflict is the greatest problem facing Iraqis, but finds a population "increasingly threatened by disease and malnutrition". It suggests that 70% of Iraq's 26.5m population are without adequate water supplies, compared to 50% prior to the invasion. Only 20% have access to effective sanitation.well the invasion made that worse, even then the sanctions! Nearly 30% of children are malnourished, a sharp increase on the situation four years ago. I heard a report on the news last night that prior to the attack on Iraq, 18 percent of Iraqi children were malnourished , under the harsh sanctions. well the invasion made that worse! Some 15% of Iraqis regularly cannot afford to eat "Basic services, ruined by years of war and sanctions, cannot meet the needs of the Iraqi people," the director of Oxfam International, Jeremy Hobbs, said. but hey Haliburton is making mucho dollars feeding imaginary troops at imaginary bases. Making friends and winning hearts and minds!! Yah right! Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Posted July 31, 2007 http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...icle2817108.ece According to the report, four million citizens (15%) regularly cannot afford to eat; 70% are without adequate water supplies (up from 50% in 2003); 28% of children are malnourished (compared with 19% before the 2003 invasion); 92% of Iraqi children suffer learning problems, and more than two million people - mostly women and children - have been displaced inside Iraq, with a further two million Iraqi refugees fleeing the country, mainly to Syria and Jordan. The misery inflicted on the population is so staggering the stats just speak for themselves. Why do the people hate the invaders?? It's quite obvious! Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
buffycat Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Why do the people hate the invaders?? Oh come on Kuzadd!! The hate the invaders for their FREEDOMS!!! (Certainly not the bombs and utter destruction of their country!) Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 but hey Haliburton is making mucho dollars feeding imaginary troops at imaginary bases. Not to mention those Canadian oil services companies near Kirkuk LOL! Canada's principled stand: Nah, we'll pass on the invasion but can we pretty please have a share of the government contracts??? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kuzadd Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Posted July 31, 2007 Why do the people hate the invaders?? Oh come on Kuzadd!! The hate the invaders for their FREEDOMS!!! (Certainly not the bombs and utter destruction of their country!) bwahahahahaha forgot to keep propaganda straight, darn it!! it just goes against my grain! with stats like that, all the invaders of Iraq got is the hope the BS will keep enough people fooled and complacent. Meanwhile, the Iraqis starve, die, kids are malnourished. Bringing freedom and democracy! Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 with stats like that, all the invaders of Iraq got is the hope the BS will keep enough people fooled and complacent.Meanwhile, the Iraqis starve, die, kids are malnourished. Bringing freedom and democracy! Yawn...we were fed the same BS during UN sanctions and Oil-for-Food programs (supported and enforced by Canada.) Based on such reports, so many Iraqis should be dead by now it's a wonder any are left to starve or flee to Jordan (the very same Jordan that accepts US foreign aid.) Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kuzadd Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Posted July 31, 2007 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1966333,00.html Warning over spiralling Iraq refugee crisisThe surging violence in Iraq has created what is becoming the biggest refugee crisis in the world, a humanitarian group said today. A report (pdf) by Washington-based Refugees International said an influx of Iraqis threatened to overwhelm other Middle Eastern countries, particularly Syria, Jordon and Lebanon. Last month, the UN estimated that 100,000 people were fleeing the country each month, with the number of Iraqis now living in other Arab countries standing at 1.8 million. Today's report came as George Bush and Tony Blair were due to discuss the situation in Iraq, which the bipartisan Iraq Study Group yesterday described as "grave and deteriorating". Refugees International said the acceleration in the numbers fleeing Iraq meant it could soon overtake the refugee crisis in Darfur. "We're not saying it's the largest [refugee crisis], but it's quickly becoming the largest," spokeswoman Kristele Younes said. "The numbers are very, very scary." Ms Younes said the most pressing concern was to prevent other countries from sending Iraqis back to the violence that had forced them to flee their homeland. The report revealed Iraqi refugees were facing tough restrictions in other Arab countries, preventing them from finding work or gaining access to healthcare and other public services." It all so "imaginary", wow! personally, I think they need to all go to the US, and Britian. For the lies of the leaders, karma. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
ScottSA Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 Here, for anyone who is interested, is the real story of life on the ground in Iraq...I mean 'real' as opposed to the fantastical and nonsensical propaganda of the left. BAGHDAD – “We want to use you as bait,” Sergeant Eduardo Ojeda from Los Angeles, California, told me before I embedded with his unit on what was shaping up to be a night raid. “Excellent,” I said. “That’s why I’m here.” This is what passes for black Army humor in Baghdad. “Our TST [time-sensitive target] blew up a vehicle and killed four soldiers and an interpreter in the next AO [area of operations],” he said. “He’s somewhere in our AO now.” He could tell by the frozen and dubious look on my face that I wasn’t sure I wanted to go on the mission. “Don’t worry,” he said. “These guys hardly ever fight back when we nail them. And they always lose when they do. Come on. Let’s go f*ck ‘em up...” http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001499.html Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 Anyone intersted in the real metrics of what life is like in Iraq.... 1670 Iraqi civilians killed mainly by Iraqi terrorists 232 Iraqi Police and Military killed. 78 Americans Killed 8 British Unknown number of Terrorists..... .....in the month of July 28,275 Iraqis killed since June 7th, 2006............. ...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
ScottSA Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 Anyone intersted in the real metrics of what life is like in Iraq....1670 Iraqi civilians killed mainly by Iraqi terrorists 232 Iraqi Police and Military killed. 78 Americans Killed 8 British Unknown number of Terrorists..... .....in the month of July 28,275 Iraqis killed since June 7th, 2006............. ...... *patting Momo on the head* Thanks for your contribution. Perhaps you'd like to share the traffic accident statistics of the US next? What about the weather in Toronto? Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 *patting Momo on the head* Thanks for your contribution. Perhaps you'd like to share the traffic accident statistics of the US next? What about the weather in Toronto? I'm sure it's very comforting for you to be able to reduce the colossal failure you supported to a banal quip. Remind me to use that line the next time you see fit to c/p some trivial anecdotes from some obscure blog...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 Anyone intersted in the real metrics of what life is like in Iraq.... 1670 Iraqi civilians killed mainly by Iraqi terrorists 232 Iraqi Police and Military killed. 78 Americans Killed 8 British Unknown number of Terrorists..... .....in the month of July 28,275 Iraqis killed since June 7th, 2006............. ...... *patting Momo on the head* Thanks for your contribution. Perhaps you'd like to share the traffic accident statistics of the US next? What about the weather in Toronto? Must be comforting for you to be able to reduce so many senseless deaths and the collosul failure you supported to a banal quip. Remind me of that the next time you resort to C/ping some trivial anecdote from some obscure blog...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Bonam Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 Anyone intersted in the real metrics of what life is like in Iraq....1670 Iraqi civilians killed mainly by Iraqi terrorists 232 Iraqi Police and Military killed. 78 Americans Killed 8 British Unknown number of Terrorists..... .....in the month of July I think that's the biggest problem with the Iraq war, and why it's so unpopular... all the emphasis of all mainstream media seems to be on the body counts. I can't remember the last time I saw a news headline about Iraq that was anything besides "x people killed". Same with Afghanistan. Where is the news on what was accomplished, what was built, what was improved? In some dusty old blogs on the internet that maybe a few hundred people see. It needs to be on the mainstream media, where millions will see it, instead. Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 Anyone intersted in the real metrics of what life is like in Iraq....1670 Iraqi civilians killed mainly by Iraqi terrorists 232 Iraqi Police and Military killed. 78 Americans Killed 8 British Unknown number of Terrorists..... .....in the month of July I think that's the biggest problem with the Iraq war, and why it's so unpopular... all the emphasis of all mainstream media seems to be on the body counts. I can't remember the last time I saw a news headline about Iraq that was anything besides "x people killed". Same with Afghanistan. Where is the news on what was accomplished, what was built, what was improved? In some dusty old blogs on the internet that maybe a few hundred people see. It needs to be on the mainstream media, where millions will see it, instead. As far as body counts go, you can forgive anyone from considring them as important during a war.....but the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq is staggering. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
B. Max Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) I'm sure it's very comforting for you to be able to reduce the colossal failure you supported to a banal quip. Remind me to use that line the next time you see fit to c/p some trivial anecdotes from some obscure blog...... What failure. The original mission was to get rid of Saddam. That mission was accomplished. That there are people who want to kill one another is besides the point. The new mission is to kill terrorists and keep them from getting control. There is no reason to believe that that mission is not proceeding in way that will end in a successful conclusion. Just because it doesnt meet the arbitrary time table of those who have no plan other than to what extent they can go to in order to appease terrorists is of no importance. Edited August 1, 2007 by B. Max Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 What failure. The original mission was to get rid of Saddam. That mission was accomplished. Correctomundo 100%.....the mission was regime change in Iraq, as stated in US Public Law long before Bush ever became president. Ding dong...Saddam is dead....scratch one dictator. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 I'm sure it's very comforting for you to be able to reduce the colossal failure you supported to a banal quip. Remind me to use that line the next time you see fit to c/p some trivial anecdotes from some obscure blog...... The original mission was to get rid of Saddam. Really? Was that what the UNSC said they could invade for? If we have to, we can go through the list of what the original mission goals were, after all, when the WMD turned out to be nothing more that a bogeyman, revisionist goals popped up one after another. That being said, I don't recall anywhere reading that turning Iraq into a training camp for terrorists or plunging the nation into sectarian war as being an indication of success. But lets not rely on our memeories, lets read exactly why Bush got America in this failure. And our mission is clear, to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...3/20030322.html Lets see, no WMD so that's an X....the iraqi people could hardly be called free....not while under daily attacks that have killed over 25,000 in the last year..... Well, 0 out of 3 is but a failing grade........ There is no reason to believe that that mission is not proceeding in way that will end in a successful conclusion. True. Just because there have been no indication of success doesn't mean in 10 or 20 years martyrdom seeking fanatics won't be in short supply. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
B. Max Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) name='M.Dancer' date='Aug 1 2007, 01:58 PM' post='241252'] Really? Was that what the UNSC said they could invade for? If we have to, we can go through the list of what the original mission goals were, after all, when the WMD turned out to be nothing more that a bogeyman, revisionist goals popped up one after another. That being said, I don't recall anywhere reading that turning Iraq into a training camp for terrorists or plunging the nation into sectarian war as being an indication of success. Mission accomplished but still ongoing. THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. American and coalition forces have begun a concerted campaign against the regime of Saddam Hussein. In this war, our coalition is broad, more than 40 countries from across the globe. Our cause is just, the security of the nations we serve and the peace of the world. And our mission is clear, to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people. True. Just because there have been no indication of success doesn't mean in 10 or 20 years martyrdom seeking fanatics won't be in short supply. There have been no 911's since in a war that's been going on for at 25 years in it's most recent times. Now we've entered the phase to end appeasement that began with the end of the crusades. If another 20 sees the end it would be excellent and is certainly within our power. Edited August 1, 2007 by B. Max Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) There have been no 911's since in a war that's been going on for at 25 years in it's most recent times. Now we've entered the phase to end appeasement that began with the end of the crusades. If another 20 sees the end it would be excellent and is certainly within our power. At a certain point in any conversation you have to take stock and ask yourself, is this something like beating your head against a cement pillar. 1) There have been no 911's since in a war that's been going on for at 25 years in it's most recent times. What does that mean? What war that been going on for 25 years? What does 911 have to do with Iraq? 2)Now we've entered the phase to end appeasement that began with the end of the crusades. Time I see to check on my Alcan stock...... Edited August 1, 2007 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
B. Max Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 name='M.Dancer' date='Aug 1 2007, 02:43 PM' post='241266'] What does that mean? What war that been going on for 25 years? What does 911 have to do with Iraq? The war of appeasement as far as the left are concerned. Time I see to check on my Alcan stock...... Good idea. As the old saying goes, feck, fight, hold the light, or get the hell out of the road. Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 What does that mean? What war that been going on for 25 years? What does 911 have to do with Iraq? The war of appeasement as far as the left are concerned. 911 and Iraq are as far as the left is concerned? ......???? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
B. Max Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 What does that mean? What war that been going on for 25 years? What does 911 have to do with Iraq? The war of appeasement as far as the left are concerned. 911 and Iraq are as far as the left is concerned? ......???? Go check your stocks. Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 2)Now we've entered the phase to end appeasement that began with the end of the crusades. Time I see to check on my Alcan stock...... As suspected C$ 102.560 Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
B. Max Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 2)Now we've entered the phase to end appeasement that began with the end of the crusades. Time I see to check on my Alcan stock...... As suspected C$ 102.560 Is that good or bad. I'm in equity markets and private real estate lending and don't follow individual stocks. Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 2)Now we've entered the phase to end appeasement that began with the end of the crusades. Time I see to check on my Alcan stock...... As suspected C$ 102.560 Is that good or bad. I'm in equity markets and private real estate lending and don't follow individual stocks. Well, Alcan is up 100% over last year. This means if you bought it 3 years ago, you're doing well. If you bought it yesterday......not so much. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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