3rd World settling in Canada

[M.Dancer]

Canadian citizens and permanent residents living in Canada, 18 years of age or older, may sponsor close relatives or family members who want to become permanent residents of Canada. Sponsors must promise to support the relative or family member and their accompanying family members for a period of three years to help them settle in Canada.

If you live in Quebec and want to sponsor a relative or family member, please contact Newcombe & Company for information on the necessary steps to meet provincial requirements. The Canada-Quebec Accord provides information on Quebec's responsibilities for immigration.

If you are going to plagiarize crap, or at least post crap that is without a source, have the decency not to edit out the parts that don't agree with you.

Tha actual quote that Mike copied and editted.

Canadian citizens and permanent residents living in Canada, 18 years of age or older, may sponsor close relatives or family members who want to become permanent residents of Canada. Sponsors must promise to support the relative or family member and their accompanying family members for a period of three to 10 years to help them settle in Canada.

http://www.candoimmigration.ca/immigration/family.htm

Busted

Edited August 3, 2007 by M.Dancer

[Topaz]

IF any country is invading Canada I would think it was the USA by buying up Canadians companies and holding economic power over us. As far as Israel, everyone is sorry for what happen to their people during the WW2 but they have been getting millions of dollars from the US and they have alot more military power than some other countries today. The US helped the Taiban break Russia and now Russia is debt-free and the USA is be coming debt-ridden, thanks to Bush. The super-powers will be China and Russia, and I hope this doesn't make world peace to become less. I think most Canadians just want to world to get along and for some countries to keep their noses out of others countries problem unless it is asked for!!

[guyser]

Stop making stuff up.

I wasn't and thanks to M Dancer for the clarification.

[Argus]

Sponsorship in Canada, sign and show income status that guarantees that for the bnest ten years , YOU (the sponsor) will provide housing, rent, food ,income, services for your sponsored family member, and not to avail themselves of social services.

Quit ignoring the facts that have been shown to you numerous times.

This is an absolute fact. It's pretty much irrelevant, but it is a fact. Sponsors do promise to look after their relative for ten years. But of course many of them fail to do so. The government does not report how many such sponsorships break down, and how many of the immigrants then go on social assistance. The provinces don't report it either. There have been some cursory attempts at going after the sponsors, but most are very poor and can't afford to pay even if they wanted to.

Then there's the problem of what happens after ten years. Most of those sponsored come from third world countries, and would not qualify to immigrant normally for lack of education, skills and language. Many others are older, ie, people sponsoring their parents. What happens after ten years? They go on welfare.

It's very hard to find any information on this on the web. The best I could come up with was a fraser report at Immigration and the Welfare State in Canada I particularly recommend pages 28-32.

First, most parents of economic immigrants are unlikely to become active participants in the labour

force for any length of time because of their advanced age and often poor ability to speak and

learn English. They did not have to pass the point system and therefore are unlikely to have many of

the characteristics of successful economic immigrants. These parents and grandparents are unlikely

to pay few if any income taxes, yet are entitled to all of Canada’s social programs for the rest of their

lives. Given their age, many of them put high costs on the health care system if their sponsoring chil-

dren are unwilling or unable to meet their obligations and pay for these costs privately. As discussed

below, this reneging on sponsorship commitments takes place very often.

[ScottSA]

This is an absolute fact. It's pretty much irrelevant, but it is a fact. Sponsors do promise to look after their relative for ten years. But of course many of them fail to do so. The government does not report how many such sponsorships break down, and how many of the immigrants then go on social assistance. The provinces don't report it either. There have been some cursory attempts at going after the sponsors, but most are very poor and can't afford to pay even if they wanted to.

Then there's the problem of what happens after ten years. Most of those sponsored come from third world countries, and would not qualify to immigrant normally for lack of education, skills and language. Many others are older, ie, people sponsoring their parents. What happens after ten years? They go on welfare.

It's very hard to find any information on this on the web. The best I could come up with was a fraser report at Immigration and the Welfare State in Canada I particularly recommend pages 28-32.

First, most parents of economic immigrants are unlikely to become active participants in the labour

force for any length of time because of their advanced age and often poor ability to speak and

learn English. They did not have to pass the point system and therefore are unlikely to have many of

the characteristics of successful economic immigrants. These parents and grandparents are unlikely

to pay few if any income taxes, yet are entitled to all of Canada’s social programs for the rest of their

lives. Given their age, many of them put high costs on the health care system if their sponsoring chil-

dren are unwilling or unable to meet their obligations and pay for these costs privately. As discussed

below, this reneging on sponsorship commitments takes place very often.

Anecdotally, this happens very frequently. There's another little scam a Chinese woman in Calgary tried to enlist me in while I was there a couple years ago. Apparently there are people in China willing to pay up to $15,000 each to have someone sponsor them as an "employee" and then just ignore them once they got here. She was raking in quite a bundle.

[bush_cheney2004]

... The super-powers will be China and Russia, and I hope this doesn't make world peace to become less. I think most Canadians just want to world to get along and for some countries to keep their noses out of others countries problem unless it is asked for!!

Oh, you mean like Canada in Haiti, Balkans, Iraq, and Afghanistan?

[jawapunk]

You know, if you were a good writer, you could bore people with fewer words.

The figures my friend, contrary to your ejaculation, are from the CIA handbook........

So 33% of india' housleholds are in the top 10%........

and their economy has been growing remarkable for the last 10 years.....over 9% in 2006

So a bare minimum the upper classes account for 300 million people.....

.........does your racial hatred go so far as to make you mathematically illiterate?

You didn't add some other fact from the same source that might contradict your argument there Michael Moore.

From the same source: (CIA WORLD FACTBOOK)

GDP PER CAPITA = $3800

Total workforce = 509.3 million

Total GDP = $804 billion

Three fifths of the work force is in agriculture which only accounts for 19.9% of the total GDP for the country. That means three fifths of over 509 milllion people are farmers in India (300 million people + children) and while agriculture account for 19.9% of the GDP, this does not mean that money goes into the pockets of regular farmers, and even if it did 300 million people and their families are sharing out 120 billion dollars.(19.9% of 804 billion (approximately) that works out to an annual income of about $500 bucks.

WOW THE RISING MIDDLE CLASS OF INDIA...WATCH OUT!!!!

Other facts not listed:

Population below the poverty line: 25%

That menas that approxiimately 250,000,000 people live below the poverty line. By the way all the numbers a figures are quoted as from 2006.

If this doesn't sound third world to you then I will also say that I have lived an backpacked throughout Asia, and although there is growth economically in many of the countries, including India, the richest percentage of people are getting richer and the poorest are still dirt poor. The middle class have a higher purchasing power wihin their own countries, but they DO NOT equate the middle class of the West, not even close, not even remotely in the same vicinity of close. HOWEVER, if we were to describe them in terms of pure purchasing power within their own countries then perhaps you could call them a middle class, but even if you do, they are still a small percentage of the total population.

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST:

Now that that is over, the orginal posting was quite ignorant in its own regard. I will just like to add that we NEED more people in this country to feed our economy, their are labour shortages in many parts of the country. Perhaps people don't like the "browning" of our country, I for one love it. This country was built on immigrants, other than our aboriginal populations, we all descend from people that left their own home countries and came to Canada. Our forefathers helped build this country and the immigrants from Asia, Africa and Latin America/South America will help continue to build it tomorrow. If anything that is something about this country we should be proud of, we are OPEN minded remember? We accept all comers. Racism is so 2nd millenium....get over it.

Edited August 7, 2007 by jawapunk

[M.Dancer]

You didn't add some other fact from the same source that might contradict your argument there Michael Moore.

I don't see how it contradicts my argument Rush Rimjob. I was talking about the top 10%, not the bottom 90%.

[jawapunk]

I don't see how it contradicts my argument Rush Rimjob. I was talking about the top 10%, not the bottom 90%.

Just so you know, I have neer voted Conservative in my life, I used Michael Moore because he has a tendency to use only the facts that would support his arguments and ignore others completly. Nice attempt at an insult though.

Back to your point though...I believe the contrary facts that I found from the same report does in fact run counter to your argument that India is not 3rd world country. Now if 10% of its households earn more than the average of $3800 per capita GDP than that is fine but doesn't exactly paint a picture of economic health nor the growth of a nation, rather it looks like the already wealthy becoming increasingly so.

It is the sheer numbers here...you were reacting to what ScottSA had stated and I am giving evidence that counteracts your argument that India is not third world. It is however growing at a great rate, but the majority of its population does not enjoy a fraction of that growth.

Really all of this is besides the point of the original posting and I was only making a little jibe not calling you a rim job.

[M.Dancer]

Nice attempt at an insult though.

Would you like a mirror?

[jawapunk]

Pretty sure there is a difference in calling someone Michael Moore and Rush Rimjob... Maybe I wouldn't say anything if it was Rush Limbaugh...but it wasn't.

Now if I had said Michael "Fat $%^&" Moore, that might be an insult to you.

Edited August 7, 2007 by jawapunk

[M.Dancer]

I believe the contrary facts that I found from the same report does in fact run counter to your argument that India is not 3rd world country.

........I am giving evidence that counteracts your argument that India is not third world.

Okay, if you think that was my argument I suppose there is no need to continue with you.

And the Rush Rimjob was in reference to Rush Limbaugh who has a tendancy to put his foot in his mouth and words into others......

[jawapunk]

You know, if you were a good writer, you could bore people with fewer words.

The figures my friend, contrary to your ejaculation, are from the CIA handbook........

.........does your racial hatred go so far as to make you mathematically illiterate?

I didn't put words in your mouth...you were trying to counter the argument that India is a third world nation using figures from the CIA Factbook....I went to the same source and found more figures that say otherwise...

I have a feeling we are not on different sides of this argument however as to the original posting. I have no problems with temples, mosques or any other structure that is not so called "white" canadian. I welcome it with open arms.

Also stating a country is economically inferior is not racial hatred. Unless you say they are poor because of their race.

Anyways, I guess our definitions of thrid world/developing countries differ. For the record I have lived in Ecuador and Indonesia which would fall in those categories and travelled through Yemen, Cambodia, Malaysia, Thailand, China, India, the Phillipines and others that would also fall within that category. Just trying to say that perhaps I have a little more perspective. And no, this wasn't when I was a small child, but within the last 5-10 years.

[ScottSA]

In defence of Momo, he means well. He's just not real good at economics...he thinks that half the story is better than none of it.

[White Doors]

I have no problems with temples, mosques or any other structure that is not so called "white" canadian. I welcome it with open arms.

And you know what you are talking about too, what with living in the multi-cultural world Capital of Newfoundland eh?

hahah

[jawapunk]

And you know what you are talking about too, what with living in the multi-cultural world Capital of Newfoundland eh?

hahah

Well since you want to know my history I will tell you. I was born in Fredericton New Brunswick, moved to Alberta ( my father is an oil engineer). After living in a tiny town in Alberta, Bonnyville. We moved to Aberdeen Scotland. I stayed there until after completion of kindergarten. We travelled alot through Europe at this time but I don't remember well as I was only small.

After this we moved back to Calgary and lived there for 5 years until I was almost 11.

After this we moved to Jakarta, Indonesia. I lived there for 8 years, went from grade 6-12 at Jakarta International School. You may be able to look me up as an alumni, my last name is Mawhinney.

During this time I travelled to Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, India, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan and within Indonesia.

After graduation I moved back to Calgary and spent one year smoking weed and flunking out of University so I moved back to Newfoundland. I had never lived here previously but had spent some summers here and had family on both my mother and fathers side.

I went to Memorial University of Newfoundland, and I love this province. The people, geography, music...everything. I had many preconceived ideas about the place before I moved here but I was dead wrong on most fronts. During this time my parents were still moving around and I was given the opportunity to stay with them in Australia, Ecuador and Yemen, which is where they currently reside. During this time I travelled to Italy, England, Holland, Germany, Yemen, Dubai, Ecuador, Peru and some places in the States.

After graduating with a Bachelor of Arts Degree, I taught English and was able to backpack on my holidays in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and China.

It is true that St. John's is not very multi-cultural, but dude you don't know S*&^ about me, so shut up.

[jawapunk]

I find it odd aswell White, that your name states you are patrolling for Trolls, when you have basically attacked me on three separate threads now. Seems to me there is a little hypocrisy of your own going on.

[JB Globe]

If this beautiful building were in India, there would be beggars around the steps eeking out their existence in the only way allowed them under that social system, and untouchable sweepers spreading dirt arround with stick brooms and spitting betel juice everywhere. These temples represent the rot of Indian society...riches among abject poverty, a celebration of backwardness in the 21st century.

Didn't the same thing occur in Europe during the Middle Ages right up through until the industrial revolution? Didn't beggars congregate outside Notre Dame and other great cathedrals across Europe? Doesn't this occur at all grand religious sites as well? Wasn't a huge sum of money spent on constructing the Palace of Versailles while most French lived in poverty?

Seems as thought this phenomenon isn't strictly Indian. Of course, it happens to a lesser extent now in the West - there are fewer poor and they congregate at cathedrals of commerce, rather than of religion.

Of course, it should be pointed out that poverty began to decline in Europe as money flowed in from the colonies, colonies such as India. The reason the West is in such a good economic position will always be linked to the money exploited from the colonies. Thus India has been held back partly because of colonization. In the 60 years since its independence, it's made huge strides forward, but it still has a long way to go. It's not suprising when you consider that for several centuries various European powers saw India as a cash cow, and only developed infastructire in the country that would further the flow of money out of it, and cared about little else.

And lastly, I don't see temple complexes in and of themselves as backward, just like I don't see spirituality in and of itself as backward.

[JB Globe]

It's not about the craftsmentship of the temple, it's what it represents.

It represents a major place of worship, in the same manor that the Cathedrals along "church row" On Church St in Toronto do..

And the day will come that this temple can be a target of an attack. All is possible.

Congradulations, you've discovered that there's a chance of anything occuring. It's called probability. What it means is yes, there's a chance that some group could try and blow up a stone temple . . . Just like there's a chance that white nationalists could assasinate Stephen Harper.

Of course, both are as likely as lightening hitting the same place 3 times, but that doesn't seem to matter to you.

The temple represents the 3rd world and now our political system is involved.

The temple represents a religious tradition of many Canadians, just like the synagogue my Zaida goes to represents, I suppose you have a problem with that as well.

I don't believe for 2 seconds that this temple was privately funded. I ran the numbers from hindu's in the west and the numbers simply don't add up.

Wow, you sure convinced all of us - rather than citing some data from a credible source, we're supposed to take the word of some random person on the net that the temple wasn't funded from private sources (like the globe, post, star, cbc, ctv report) because you say so? Really?

The funding was made from an interest that wanted to have this temple in Canada. There will also be a massive mosque being built and the 3rd world continues to colonize us.

An "interest?" What is that exactly? You mean some sort of Indian organization dedicated to promiting Hinduism around the world? Well there are many of those but they're tied to each of the hundreds of different schools of Hinduism, meaning none of them are too powerful. The most active one here is probably that of Satya Sai Baba, but of course that school of thought is completely apolitical and pacifist, so I don't see how that's of any concern to any Canadian. I've yet to see any evidence of Hindu fundamentalism in Canada to a degree that anyone should be fearful of.

As for the massive mosques you claim are being built now - can you please direct us to a news article which provides evidence of this? Because it's looking more and more as though you're making a lot of this stuff up.

You know what's interesting actually, the Chinese used to be very similar to India where they had stoneage culture ruining the country.

It's beginning to become clear that you don't know what you're talking about. Even someone with the most basic knowledge of Indian or Chinese history knows that both societies moved out of the stone age well before 3000 BC. Go ahead and read something next time before you assume an expert position on topics you know little about.

South Asians seem to be allergic to work in my opinion.

Well, this pretty much sums you up here. Incidentally, comments about Jews being allergic to work were commonplace in Toronto before WWII. You are a member of what I call the Xenophobe-caste of society - the portion of society that will always be xenophobic. In the past the numbers were larger, but today your influence is wanning, the only thing keeping it alive at all is desperation.

The link between yourself and the anti-semites of the past that my Zaida had to deal with is that you'll always focus your energy on attacking the group which you consider most-different to yourself. In the past it was Jews, nowadays it's muslims, black folks, and apparently Hindus. If you were alive 60 years ago you'd be attacking Jews, if you were alive 100 years ago you'd be attacking Catholics.

They are very backwards, very close minded, very provincial minded. Very, very xenephobic people IMO.

Oh irony, how sweet you are.

[White Doors]

I find it odd aswell White, that your name states you are patrolling for Trolls, when you have basically attacked me on three separate threads now. Seems to me there is a little hypocrisy of your own going on.

My mistake, I didn't know you were such a world traveler.

I don;t think there really is a need for you to be swearing about it however, do you?