Things I'm tired of

[bush_cheney2004]

I never said that ...

Listen, I dont mind arguing, even bickering, but I cant be bothered correcting delusions ...

I said Canada was one of the strongest in the G8 (I posted showing that we are infact 2nd best economically), then I said I thought we were better off than the states economically, I never said we made more money overall, I never even mentioned California ...

There is no argument here.....yes, Canada is a G8 member in good standing with a nice balance sheet (but still has plenty of debt and is very dependent on foreign investment)....but it is does not generate as much economic output as the single state of California, which is the size of Iraq!

Better off than the states economically? Then why do many Canadians continue to head south for higher salaries and lower taxes? I work with them every day.

[Agaric]

There is no argument here.....yes, Canada is a G8 member in good standing with a nice balance sheet (but still has plenty of debt and is very dependent on foreign investment)....but it is does not generate as much economic output as the single state of California, which is the size of Iraq!

Better off than the states economically? Then why do many Canadians continue to head south for higher salaries and lower taxes? I work with them every day.

What the percentage though?

I know lots of americans who move here because they hate paying premiums for simple things we get for free or because they dont like the gun laws or because they dont like war or because we allow gay marriage or because we have less crime or because we arent headed by a radical right wing war mongerer ...

There are Canadians that want what they already have here but also want that extra buck in the states, u can do anything u want for money in the states and for some professions its particularly luring but thats only about the $$$, its not an indication about which country is better, I wouldnt give up my health care to make a dollar more an hour, some Canadians might! I think their nuts *L*

[M.Dancer]

As for research the u.s. wins for sure, if there is a dollar to be made there are 500 americans running to make it ...

Which in itself is the number one reason why capitalism is the most humanitarian system there is. Where there is a dollar to be made, there is a dime to give, no dollar, no dime.

[Agaric]

Which in itself is the number one reason why capitalism is the most humanitarian system there is. Where there is a dollar to be made, there is a dime to give, no dollar, no dime.

Another popular american nonsense idea is that getting rid of welfare will solve the poverty problem, I always laugh at that one ...

[guyser]

Of course...excepting all those doctors and nurses who fled south ("brain drain"), and the Canadian patients who can afford to escape the equality of universal wait time hell, and even the poor souls who must go to US medical facilities because there is no room at the Canadian Inn.

I hear that baby Aiken is now a Seattle Seahawks fan!

You really need to change this tune.

[M.Dancer]

Another popular american nonsense idea is that getting rid of welfare will solve the poverty problem, I always laugh at that one ...

And would the opposite be if you increased welfare they would be less on the dole? I personally don't think welfare should be ended......I just don't believe that healthy people who only need it becasue they are idle and lazy should get it. For that I have to think labour camps would be more edifying for all concerned.

[Agaric]

And would the opposite be if you increased welfare they would be less on the dole? I personally don't think welfare should be ended......I just don't believe that healthy people who only need it becasue they are idle and lazy should get it. For that I have to think labour camps would be more edifying for all concerned.

Theres no opposite that should be done, we need to realize that there will always be poverty as long as we have an unfair economic system that says its ok to make billions for urself but if ur uneducated or have an addiction or have emotional or mental problems then u end up eating garbage and living on the streets.

Poverty will always exist in our system and we as a society need to realize its the LEAST we can do to make sure these ppl are fed, given safe shelter and helped with an education, thats ur cousin and uncle and sister and father and mother, those are ur neighbours, we OWE it to society to help them and if that means we eat the cost then so be it, we dont live in tribes anymore because we realize that working together we can accomplish more then working as individuals, its a pact we made, thats why we settled down as a species and farmed and built social networks.

So my point is its our obligation to help them and if that means giving them the shirt off my back then so be it! I have plenty of shirts and they have none, thats the idea, its the concept ur mom taught u when u were a kid, sharing is valuable, its admirable and its virtuous, if we want a society thats good then we have to uphold good ideas.

[bush_cheney2004]

What the percentage though?

I know lots of americans who move here because they hate paying premiums for simple things we get for free or because they dont like the gun laws or because they dont like war or because we allow gay marriage or because we have less crime or because we arent headed by a radical right wing war mongerer ...

That's the point...more Canadians head south than Americans go north....and the US has ten times the population. Same with China....more Chinese come to the States than Americans heading east. There is no "better"...only what people vote for with their feet.

[bush_cheney2004]

You really need to change this tune.

Why? Apart from just trying to shut me up, what possible reason would you have for posting this? It has been said that the "truth" hurts.

[GostHacked]

That's the point...more Canadians head south than Americans go north....and the US has ten times the population. Same with China....more Chinese come to the States than Americans heading east. There is no "better"...only what people vote for with their feet.

Yeah but it is the old retired Canadians that end up moving to the US. Warmer/dry climates are just better for old retired people.

Do retired people contribute to the society? Economicaly?

Geography and climate are the reasons. I don't think economics come into play much. If that was the case I'd have moved to the US long time ago.

Many do move south too, like recent landed immigrants, who got Canadian citizenship or a work visa, then moved south.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yeah but it is the old retired Canadians that end up moving to the US. Warmer/dry climates are just better for old retired people.

Do retired people contribute to the society? Economicaly?

Geography and climate are the reasons. I don't think economics come into play much. If that was the case I'd have moved to the US long time ago.

Many do move south too, like recent landed immigrants, who got Canadian citizenship or a work visa, then moved south.

Krikey...another bushel basket of excuses to explain the obvious.

And yes, "retired people" do contribute to society "economically"... big time.

[guyser]

Why? Apart from just trying to shut me up, what possible reason would you have for posting this? It has been said that the "truth" hurts.

No not to shut you up.

Truth doesn't hurt,why should it?

When it comes to this issue, there is very little coming from you. We know some kids were born in the US due to reasons of accommadation, we also know some US kids come here for various reasons, expertise and so on.(something you never mention) Our wait times are not what you propose them to be.

It was shown to you before and you ignore it. Nothing more nothing less.

[bush_cheney2004]

When it comes to this issue, there is very little coming from you. We know some kids were born in the US due to reasons of accommadation, we also know some US kids come here for various reasons, expertise and so on.(something you never mention) Our wait times are not what you propose them to be.

It was shown to you before and you ignore it. Nothing more nothing less.

Nonsense....Canada wait times are highly visible because posting them is now mandated. Some "US kids" do not come to Canada as a matter of state policy for not investing in health care infrastructure.

Reasons of "accommadation"....you must be joking! They didn't haver any choice.

Edited October 19, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[guyser]

Nonsense....Canada wait times are highly visible because posting them is now mandated. Some "US kids" do not come to Canada as a matter of state policy for not investing in health care infrastructure.

Reasons of "accommadation"....you must be joking! They didn't haver any choice.

Perhaps you could show us the"state policy". I am sure Sick Kids in TO , one of if not the best childrens hospital that has and does treat US kids would be interested.

As for accommodate , umm ....ESL student?

[bush_cheney2004]

Perhaps you could show us the"state policy". I am sure Sick Kids in TO , one of if not the best childrens hospital that has and does treat US kids would be interested.

As for accommodate , umm ....ESL student?

Perhaps you could spell it correctly? ESL? Stop wasting our time....that's as good as telling me to stop posting whatever I please.

Sure it's the best....Mayo and St. Jude's are dark and empty.

[Agaric]

I thought this forum was about discussing real things?

So do we or do we not have an obligation to look out for others in society, I can guess what scott and bushcheney will say *L* but lets assume there are intelligent ppl here, what do u have to say ?

My point is its our obligation to help them and if that means giving them the shirt off my back then so be it! I have plenty of shirts and they have none, thats the idea, its the concept ur mom taught u when u were a kid, sharing is valuable, its admirable and its virtuous, if we want a society thats good then we have to uphold good ideas.

[bush_cheney2004]

My point is its our obligation to help them and if that means giving them the shirt off my back then so be it! I have plenty of shirts and they have none, thats the idea, its the concept ur mom taught u when u were a kid, sharing is valuable, its admirable and its virtuous, if we want a society thats good then we have to uphold good ideas.

My "mom" taught me that was for commies...as in communism. Sharing is not valuable when you force somebody else to do it.

[Agaric]

My "mom" taught me that was for commies...as in communism. Sharing is not valuable when you force somebody else to do it.

Are u kidding ? *LOL*

Uh TAXES anyone? *L*

Following law alone is a shared pact we have in society, it says that we all benefit more from sacrificing our every whim by making sure that at least some of what we want is able to happen ...

EVERYTHING we do is something we have to share with those around us ...

This is a case of be careful what u ask for because everything you have is because someone elses work contributed to yours to make sure we all have much more then before ...

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffee pot with

water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is

clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal

fought for minimum water-quality standards.

With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily

medication. His medications are safe to take because

some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their

safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his

employer's medical plan because some liberal union

workers fought their employers for paid medical

insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs.

Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man

liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing

industry. In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his

shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each

ingredient and its amount in the total contents

because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to

know what he was putting on his body, how much it of

each ingredient contained and whether there were any

health hazards.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath.

The air he breathes is cleaner because some

environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop

industries from polluting our air.

He walks to the subway station for his

government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him

considerable money in parking and transportation fees

because some fancy-pants progressive liberal fought

for affordable public transportation, which gives

everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with

excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid

holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union

members fought and died for these working standards.

Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's

employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll

get a workers compensation or unemployment check

because some stupid liberal didn't think he should

lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so

he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally

insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal

wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous

bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great

Depression, and from felons such as George Bushs

brother Neil, who caused the collapse of the Savings

and Loans after a $250,000,000 theft through unsecured

loans to cronies.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage

and his below-market federal student loan because some

academic elitist liberal decided that Joe and the

government would be better off if he was educated and

earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father

this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets

in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest

in the world because some America-hating liberal

fought for car safety standards.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third

generation to live in the house financed by Farmers'

Home Administration because bankers didn't want to

make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity

until some big-government whacko liberal pinko

socialist stuck his nose where it didn't belong and

demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His

father lives on Social Security and a union pension

because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made

sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't

have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns

on a radio talk show. The radio host, an illegal drug

user, adulterer and a fascist, keeps saying that

liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He

doesn't mention that the beloved fascist Republicans

have bitterly fought against every protection and

benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.

Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government

liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made

man who believes everyone should take care of

themselves, just like I have."

[bush_cheney2004]

Following law alone is a shared pact we have in society, it says that we all benefit more from sacrificing our every whim by making sure that at least some of what we want is able to happen ...

EVERYTHING we do is something we have to share with those around us ...

Oh Christ....you must be joking. Case in point...First Nations don't seem to like the way they have been forced to "share" and "sacrifice" for society at all. Everything YOU do may be as you say, but don't force that dookie down everyone else's throat.

This is a case of be careful what u ask for because everything you have is because someone elses work contributed to yours to make sure we all have much more then before ...

Hmmmm...seems that your sources come from evil and wicked Americans....but you told us America was "horrible".