Trudeau better than Harper and Mulroney combined

[Michael Bluth]

And another factory closes and goes south, that is what free trade has meant. One good example is the price of books. When our dollar was at its lowest books here were much more expensive, now it is so much higher and books are still so expensive. So explain that one to me

You have an actual example?

In general the prices for a lot of things haven't caught up to the exchange rate. But they will.

[Leafless]

The FTA has been a very good thing for the Canadian economy. Or is it just the Quebec economy that has benefitted from the FTA?

I provided you with proof Mulroney did it for Quebec.

Whether it is a good thing or bad thing for the Canadian economy, especially in the ling term, is highly debatable.

[Michael Bluth]

I provided you with proof Mulroney did it for Quebec.

Whether it is a good thing or bad thing for the Canadian economy, especially in the ling term, is highly debatable.

Did you read your proof?

I did. Here's a quote.

As our conceptual model predicts, Ontario, not Quebec, is most strategically located within Canada to profit from continental economic integration. There is little evidence to suggest that NAFTA has served to strenghten Quebec's relative economic position within Canada.

Do explain how the study you cited is proof free trade was done for Quebec.

Seems to me the study you quoted shows that NAFTA wasn't expecially good for Quebec.

[jdobbin]

Indeed, when did Mulroney ever work for any interest other than Quebec (or his own)?

Mulroney created the seeds that would later destroy the PCs in Canada.

Harper left because of Mulroney's policies. And now he embraces the man. So was Harper wrong then or is he wrong now?

It would appear that the orders from Conservative headquarters is to rehabilitate Mulroney's reputation and to hammer Trudeau. It isn't likely to work.

[Leafless]

Do explain how the study you cited is proof free trade was done for Quebec.

Seems to me the study you quoted shows that NAFTA wasn't expecially good for Quebec.

The quote I supplied as proof:

""It was only because of the Quebec electorate's strong support for the (pro free-trade) Conservative party in 1989, that the Mulroney government was able to push through the first free trade agreement (FTA) with the U.S., English Canada being sharply divided over the issue."

That study was done in 2000 NOT 1989. The part I quoted was relating to 1989.

To-day it is Alberta that is the clear winner of FTA not Ontario.

Oh yeah, FTA, I love it when I look at all these multi-nationalist oil companies in collusion with each creating a gas shortage situation, when in Canada we don't have one. The U.S. is the country with the gas shortage.

Pay at the pumps suckers, thanks to NAFTA.

[jbg]

jbg:

He will not fall into the dregs as have Nixon, Harding, Fillmore, Pierce, and Grant.

You forgot Carter

Good point. But then I'd have to include Buchanan, Garfield, Hayes, Taft, Coolidge and Johnson (both Johnsons actually).

[hiti]

It is my belief, Mulroney a Quebec PM, primarily committed Canada to NAFTA for the benefit of Quebec:

Sure Quebec benefits from NAFTA, but they are not the primary beneficiaries of the agreement.

It's a good deal for all Canadians. Ontario's manufacturing sector. Alberta's oil and gas. BC's lumber. etc. etc. etc.

Quebec was the primary reason for the 'free trade deal' (NAFTA).

If it was not for Quebec and Mulroney, there would NOT have been a free trade deal:

"It was only because of the Quebec electorate's strong support for the (pro free-trade) Conservative party in 1989, that the Mulroney government was able to push through the first free trade agreement (FTA) with the U.S., English Canada being sharply divided over the issue."

Mulroney was working basically for Quebec!

http://www.hil.unb.ca/Texts/CJRS/bin/get.c...name=Polese.htm

Steve's working for Quebec too....... majority of the equalization funding, majority of Canada Day funding, declaring Quebec a nation and he is just getting started....

[jbg]

Do explain how the study you cited is proof free trade was done for Quebec.

Remember, a proof is a proof.

[Michael Bluth]

Do explain how the study you cited is proof free trade was done for Quebec.

Remember, a proof is a proof.

Exactly. And 'Steve' is also working for Quebec.

Good thing he has a thick skin.

The fact that he doesn't 100% agree, or disagree, with everything Mulroney did is seen as a weakness.

As for proof? Well it's self-evident.

Just like Canada's (former) Naturaly Governing Party has self-evidently picked ther worst leader in the last century. Poor, poor Stephane...

[tim pellett]

You have an actual example?

In general the prices for a lot of things haven't caught up to the exchange rate. But they will.

mexico did not sign the energy pack re free trade they sill own there own oil not like us

[Michael Bluth]

mexico did not sign the energy pack re free trade they sill own there own oil not like us

How do 'we' not own our oil anymore?

[jefferiah]

Yes...but I prefer George Harrison to either

Pete Best and Stuart Sutcliffe were way way better. And Coke is better than Pepsi.

[jefferiah]

There isn't any use arguing with these people. They will argue black as white, they are paid party people. Tight fisted conservatives who would have us all do without the aminities to suit their greed.

Margrace, I think you are a nice person and all. But I have seen you post this sort of thing before, about M. Dancer I believe. This is pretty far out you know. I'd like to see you back this claim up with something. If you can't then stop flinging silly accusations like this.

Edited September 25, 2007 by jefferiah

[jefferiah]

Oh just one more thing:

Who do you think sells better in Canada:

Britney Spears or Dvorak?

[kimmy]

Who do you think sells better in Canada:

Britney Spears or Dvorak?

Britney might sell plenty of copies of "Us" and "People", but she hasn't sold any records in years.

You do realize that you're responding to messages that are months old, Jeffy?

-k

[jefferiah]

Britney might sell plenty of copies of "Us" and "People", but she hasn't sold any records in years.

You do realize that you're responding to messages that are months old, Jeffy?

-k

Statute of limitations I am not aware of?

Anyhow, the point is Trudeau was sort of a celebrity Prime Minister. That's the reason for his popularity.

Edited September 25, 2007 by jefferiah

[lost&outofcontrol]

But it is the Liberals who rob basically English Canadians of their lifestyles, quality of life and getting us to pay for it to boot.

White man's burden?

[jefferiah]

Britney might sell plenty of copies of "Us" and "People", but she hasn't sold any records in years.

You do realize that you're responding to messages that are months old, Jeffy?

-k

Darnit, Kimmy. Ok, you got me. I didn't even realize the posts were that old. Someone posted on it recently and I just assumed it was a new topic.

Jeffy? :angry: You know my mom used to call me Jeppy - in public places that is. :angry:

[jdobbin]

Latest Angus Reid poll still has Trudeau in first place for popularity among prime ministers.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/28742...au_was_best_pm/

A third of adults in Canada retain positive feelings about the tenure of Pierre Trudeau as their head of government, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies. 33 per cent of respondents think Trudeau has been Canada’s best prime minister since 1968, down nine points since June.

Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper are tied for second place with 14 per cent, followed by Jean Chrétien with eight per cent, and Joe Clark and Paul Martin with two per cent each.

[Michael Bluth]

I don't know what is more ridiculous. That two percent of the population voted for Joe Clark or that two percent of the population voted for Paul Martin.

[jbg]

I don't know what is more ridiculous. That two percent of the population voted for Joe Clark or that two percent of the population voted for Paul Martin.

Kim Campbell rocks!!!

[capricorn]

Of the 33% who picked PET, I wonder how many of them were actually around during that era.

A legend in the making?

[jdobbin]

Of the 33% who picked PET, I wonder how many of them were actually around during that era.

A legend in the making?

Given the older age of the population of Canada in general, I'd say it is reasonable to say that quite a few people were around in that era. However, the poll doesn't seem to do a breakdown by region, age, gender or any other category so it is difficult to say.

Edited October 27, 2007 by jdobbin