Afraid of America

[Liam]

...I put this here to avoid ruining the other thread

Do I think them immoral. Oh yes! They are a drug infested, self-abosrobed society that allows their children to run wild in the streets, their children to carry guns and their girls to dress like porn stars,. Marriage doe snot exist in America, single women shamelessly sleeping around and having babies out of wedlock. Like animals they seek only their base pleasure and nothing more.

Brenda writes that there is nothing they can do, but I say you can behave like adults and take charge of your children.

I worry all the time that my children will be killed by them. In truth, I am deeply, deeply afraid of America at all times. It is a wicked immoral society that influences the world away from morals and values.

Homosexuals are on their programmes and in their news, they celebrate this!

Criminals make money from books and tv appearances, and become heroes. they celebrate the evil instead of feeling the shame they should be feeling.

What have they given to the world but grief and war? Yes, I am afraid of america, to my very soul.

I don't mean to be insulting to this woman because she can only form opinions based on the information she receives. What I question is the quality of the news reporting available to her if this is all she knows about the US.

But based on what she sees:

"They are a drug infested, self-abosrobed society that allows their children to run wild in the streets, their children to carry guns and their girls to dress like porn stars,. Marriage doe snot exist in America, single women shamelessly sleeping around and having babies out of wedlock. Like animals they seek only their base pleasure and nothing more."

Yes, we are self-absorbed, no argument there. We consume too many of the world's resources and are too wasteful. But I see only good, drug-free kids among my kids' peers, not the bad ones she describes. Her statement about marriage is simply bizarre. And it's probably shocking to her that we don't reign in women like chattel, but we recognize that women are equal and free to live their lives as they see fit. In any event, I would prefer to live in a country that allows me and all of us to live an immoral life of my own choosing (provided I don't hurt others) than one that threatens me with judicial punishment or mob violence because I am different or wish to be a free spirit.

"I worry all the time that my children will be killed by them. In truth, I am deeply, deeply afraid of America at all times. It is a wicked immoral society that influences the world away from morals and values.

Homosexuals are on their programmes and in their news, they celebrate this!"

I won't criticize her concern for her kids. I fear for my kids, too. And it may be un-PC to say it, but I fear that her kids will some day come over here and kill my kids. But I would ask her what kind of morals does a society possess when it honors and elevates individuals who strap bombs to their bodies and then walk into crowded markets filled with innocent civilians?

As far as celebrating gay people, as a gay man I can tell you I am hardly celebrated. We may have moved away from stoning gay people in the town square as may (or may not) happen where she lives, but other than a few minstrel show-like gay characters on TV sitcoms, gays are hardly embraced by everyone in the US. There are still a few dark corners of the US where gay people wouldn't travel or go for fear of danger. And anyone who knows the slightest bit about Bush's 2004 election strategy knows it was all about God, guns and gays. Celebrated? No.

"Criminals make money from books and tv appearances, and become heroes. they celebrate the evil instead of feeling the shame they should be feeling.

What have they given to the world but grief and war? Yes, I am afraid of america, to my very soul."

She obviously does not know that many (most?) states in the US have passed laws whereby criminals are prevented from profiting from the exploits of their crimes.

Grief and war? The US looks after its own interests, just like her country. The US sometimes wages wars to further or to protect its interests, just like her country. But I'd wager, regardless of where she's from, that the US has produced more good than her home country. Technological innovations, new medicines, genetics research, industrial production, agricultural advancements, individual liberties, philanthropic development, educational progress -- I'm confident the things her country has given the world pale in comparison to many of the great things Americans have produced. Aside from that, how much did her country or countrymen give in the wake of the tsunami? Or to feed starving kids in Ethiopia in the 80's? What did they do to stop ethnic cleansing in Kosovo or to provide vaccines to sub-Sahara Africa?

I think the US is far from perfect, but to slag all Americans as the epitome of evil or the US as a country as devoid of any good is simply ignorant.

[BC_chick]

This woman's comments support what I have said many times on other threads.

Particularly many threads have touched on the reason why "they hate us".

The reasons I have put forth many times is so obvious, but many left wingers find it unbelievable.

They hate us because they think we are scum and they are superior.

I'm glad you posted this, because now we are seeing some true words.

And this thread proves what I have also always believed - that our own religious right-wingers have more in common with the extremist Muslims (their agreements with that woman's words), and liberals have more in common with moderate Muslims - than we do amongst ourselves or they do amongst themselves.

[Argus]

The mid-east woman who "fears the USA" would hate your "morals".

Why stop there? You could include regular chuirch goers for the most part, pretty much anyone born and bred in the islands, most of South America (of course they hide it ) ....and lets see who else. Most small town Canada too I would venture.

But none of them are likely to offer up financial support for people to fly airplanes into your workplace.

This woman and her ilk have and continue to do so.

[jbg]

The mid-east woman who "fears the USA" would hate your "morals".

Certainly. So does Betsy. It's not hard to find people who hate others morals. So what is particularly marvelous about the mid-eastern woman hating someone elses morals?

Let's see if I get this right. She fears the US either

1. Because she fears her inability to impose her "morals" on people who don't try to impose their morals on the pedophile, polygamist and violent males in her society; or
   
2. Fears Western retaliation for violent Islamic attacks against Western interests.
   

Do I have it right?

[Peter F]

The mid-east woman who "fears the USA" would hate your "morals".

Certainly. So does Betsy. It's not hard to find people who hate others morals. So what is particularly marvelous about the mid-eastern woman hating someone elses morals?

Let's see if I get this right. She fears the US either

1. Because she fears her inability to impose her "morals" on people who don't try to impose their morals on the pedophile, polygamist and violent males in her society; or
   
2. Fears Western retaliation for violent Islamic attacks against Western interests.
   

Do I have it right?

What she reportedly said is:

Do I think them immoral. Oh yes! They are a drug infested, self-abosrobed society that allows their children to run wild in the streets, their children to carry guns and their girls to dress like porn stars,. Marriage doe snot exist in America, single women shamelessly sleeping around and having babies out of wedlock. Like animals they seek only their base pleasure and nothing more.

Brenda writes that there is nothing they can do, but I say you can behave like adults and take charge of your children.

I worry all the time that my children will be killed by them. In truth, I am deeply, deeply afraid of America at all times. It is a wicked immoral society that influences the world away from morals and values.

Homosexuals are on their programmes and in their news, they celebrate this!

Criminals make money from books and tv appearances, and become heroes. they celebrate the evil instead of feeling the shame they should be feeling.

What have they given to the world but grief and war? Yes, I am afraid of america, to my very soul.

No I don't think you have it right.

She doesn't say she fears her inability to impose her morals on others. She does say that she thinks 'them' immoral.

She doesn't say she fears western retaliation for violent Islamic attacks against western interests, but she does say she worries that her children will be killed by 'them'.

Actually, in truth, her very words could be said by me and countless others in the West. I fear theie morality and I worry that they could kill my children.

Me and Fantin could be reading from the same page.

[gc1765]

They are a drug infested, self-abosrobed society that allows their children to run wild in the streets, their children to carry guns and their girls to dress like porn stars,. Marriage doe snot exist in America, single women shamelessly sleeping around and having babies out of wedlock. Like animals they seek only their base pleasure and nothing more.

...

Homosexuals are on their programmes and in their news, they celebrate this!

I say, to each his own! I don't understand why some people feel the need to push their morality on others.

[gc1765]

But none of them are likely to offer up financial support for people to fly airplanes into your workplace.

This woman and her ilk have and continue to do so.

You have some reason to believe this woman was financing terrorism?

[Argus]

But none of them are likely to offer up financial support for people to fly airplanes into your workplace.

This woman and her ilk have and continue to do so.

You have some reason to believe this woman was financing terrorism?

The woman is a representative of the community which does.

[gc1765]

You have some reason to believe this woman was financing terrorism?

The woman is a representative of the community which does.

You accused her of financing terrorism. Do you think just because she shares the same religion as some people who finance terrorism, that automatically means that she does as well?

[Liam]

You accused her of financing terrorism. Do you think just because she shares the same religion as some people who finance terrorism, that automatically means that she does as well?

This woman seems to think that we are all drug infested because we share the same nationality as some who are. Is that fair? Did you take her to task for *that* statement?

[gc1765]

This woman seems to think that we are all drug infested because we share the same nationality as some who are. Is that fair? Did you take her to task for *that* statement?

Of course I don't think that's fair. I think I made it pretty clear that I don't support what this woman says...it just so happens that I kept my post concise rather than taking her to task for everything she said (which would have meant a lot more typing )