Next leader of the Liberals, and when?

[BC_chick]

You have access to legal books. I'm sure you will find it in there.

And as a leftie, I wouldn't have a problem with it. So there goes that theory.

Maybe two apologies are in order tonight jbg.

[Michael Bluth]

If that was directed at me, I would not rest until I got him suspended.

Don't mess with the almighty BC_chick.

[jdobbin]

And as a leftie, I wouldn't have a problem with it. So there goes that theory.

Maybe two apologies are in order tonight jbg.

This is the provision that Bernardo is likely to face after he serves his sentence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_offender

In other words, he isn't getting out.

[jdobbin]

I was expressing an opinion on another screen name's beliefs. I do apologize though. I've read more of Figleaf's posts and I do not believe it to be true.

And I am expressing my opinion which you seem to think is unacceptable. My problem is I continue to believe in a stalker and nothing short of that person disappearing will convince me otherwise.

As for the apology, you should do that to Figleaf and a few others if you think you were wrong at the onset.

[jbg]

As for the apology, you should do that to Figleaf and a few others if you think you were wrong at the onset.

I did, in two places.

[jdobbin]

I did, in two places.

Good.

Perhaps you'll take back the link of the left to Paul Bernardo as well. It is an odious one to the say least and I doubt you have any citation of the left's compassion for the man at all when it comes to keeping him in jail.

[Canuck E Stan]

I did, in two places.

Good.

Perhaps you'll take back the link of the left to Paul Bernardo as well. It is an odious one to the say least and I doubt you have any citation of the left's compassion for the man at all when it comes to keeping him in jail.

Maybe we could also get an apology from you too or does pissing on the families of dead soldiers still seem to be an appropriate way to express yourself about others?

[Michael Bluth]

Maybe we could also get an apology from you too or does pissing on the families of dead soldiers still seem to be an appropriate way to express yourself about others?

Now Stan, you have to be reasonable.

jbg has taken a step to apologize for a rash statement he made. He was being fair in doing so.

BC_chick put him in his place after doing so as well as dobbin.

You can't expect dobbin to ever admit error or mistake. He has two missions on these forums. To attack and/or put down the Conservatives and Stephen Harper regardless of fairness, honesty or behaving reasonably. To falsely accuse me no matter what. And "nothing short of" my "disappearing" will appease him.

That's darn close to a threat on my person and if nothing else I'd like to see him clarify that he wasn't threatening me with personal harm with that line.

[jdobbin]

Maybe we could also get an apology from you too or does pissing on the families of dead soldiers still seem to be an appropriate way to express yourself about others?

Maybe you can tell me how that refers to a personal attack on you? Are you in the PMO? Are you in the Tory hierarchy? Are you responsible for the policy in any way?

My reference was to Tory behaviour which was again re-inforced by the widow who had to confront Harper this week for ignoring her for two years.

I don't see how I insulted family's of soldiers. The Tories did that all on their own.

[geoffrey]

Again, PM's people. We don't care about your squabbles.

[sharkman]

Maybe we could also get an apology from you too or does pissing on the families of dead soldiers still seem to be an appropriate way to express yourself about others?

Maybe you can tell me how that refers to a personal attack on you? Are you in the PMO? Are you in the Tory hierarchy? Are you responsible for the policy in any way?

My reference was to Tory behaviour which was again re-inforced by the widow who had to confront Harper this week for ignoring her for two years.

I don't see how I insulted family's of soldiers. The Tories did that all on their own.

Oh, you commit personal attacks whenever you feel like it pal. Michael Bluth's a stalker, I made some wildly inaccurate predictions (or that's how you've put it) and now Jbg. I notice they are all to the right of you.

I also notice you've got some kind of fetish with this forum. It's rather tedious to be bumping into your damn posts every time I'm looking around. All you do is put a left spin on whatever thread you are in again and again. At least try a little variety.

[Who's Doing What?]

Oh, you commit personal attacks whenever you feel like it pal. Michael Bluth's a stalker, I made some wildly inaccurate predictions (or that's how you've put it) and now Jbg. I notice they are all to the right of you.

Well...duh. I believe he supports the NDP, so basically EVERYONE is to the right of his beliefs.

As for MB there has been an unusual number of post immediately following dobbins. It has slowed since it started to get pointed out, but still, it was pretty obvious.

[jbg]

Well...duh. I believe he (jdobbin)supports the NDP, so basically EVERYONE is to the right of his beliefs.

I also support the New Democratic Party of Canada (link).

[Michael Bluth]

As for MB there has been an unusual number of post immediately following dobbins. It has slowed since it started to get pointed out, but still, it was pretty obvious.

No there hasn't been.

Many people have pointed out the inordinate amount of posts dobbin makes in Canadian politics.

For a while I was the sole victim of dobbin's false accusations.

My posting style hasn't changed.

Now that dobbin has decided to direct his unwarranted personal attacks at others, like Canuck E Stan, Sharkman and jbg, it appears that the number of my posts has "slowed"?

Whatever.

Doesn't that mean that dobbin should stop detracting from the board with false accusations hurled at me, if by your own admission my falsely attributed behaviour has "slowed"?

I will still respond to dobbin's posts, on topic and with relevant questions when I feel I want to. As I have always done.

Dobbin has stated repeatedly he is only trying to bait me to get me banned.

In post #79 of this thread he explicitly said he will not stop until I have "disappeared".

That's open to interpretation as a threat on my person.

Dobbin's threats and bullying have crossed a line and I have been forced to alter the content of my posts to ensure that nothing personal in nature is conveyed for fear of that threat being carried out.

It appears the anger was merely directed at me for convenience. Now that dobbin falsely believes I have acquiesced to dobbin's inappropriate behaviour he has found new targets.

Bravo dobbin, your behaviour has gotten you what you purported to desire in your mind. If not in reality.

[fellowtraveller]

I just don't see how a weak association with Carlyle can hurt McKenna that badly. I mean, think of the envioronment- both Martin and Dion survived an association with Adscam that was surely mopre toxic, Dion was elected leader in spite of it.

McKwenna has done all the right things for a run at the top job- the ambassadorship gave him some foreign creds that he badly needed, now he is a Bay Street bigwig/world class schmoozer of the rich and powerful. he has no job that ties him to a tight schedule, plenty of time to make and cultivate those people he needs. He reminds me of Brian Mulroney in a way.

Bilingual too.

I picked Dion 7 months before the Liberal leadership convention because it was obvious.

Trust me on this one. He will run at some point, and he will win.

I don't agree that McKenna has a weak association with Carlyle. But I also don't think it will be that big a deal.

I still think sitting out the leadership will end up hurting him.

While you may have picked Dion I don't think it was an obvious choice.

The leadership came down to whoever Kennedy was going to throw his support behind.

I honestly thought it was likely to be Ignatieff, but wouldn't have been shocked if Kennedy had gone with Rae.

I was flabbergasted that Kennedy went with Dion. I thought Kennedy was a much shrewder politician than that.

I like McKenna and I think he would have had a good kick at the can regardless of his lack of charisma or his business credentials. If he wanted the leadership would he not have run in December? I get the feeling the man wants to slip into retirement and is not interested in a job that would be very, very hard on his personal life.

Forget about what Kennedy wanted, and think about what the Liberal executive wanted. Kennedy was never going to win under any cirucmstances, he just has so little presence outside the Party that he could not win an election.

Was it Ignatieff, a charismatic guy that they could not control and did not really know, a wild card? Could he win an election against Harper?

Was it Rae, a very experienced politician and tough guy to handle, who was also relatively new to the Party? Could he beat Harper (I think he could have, likely the only candidate who could)

Or was it Dion, who was a longtime Chretien/Martin sidekick, loyal minister for many years, but above all he was seen as a safe leader, no threat internally and unlikely to take the party anywhere new or novel. It is what they wanted , what they are getting and it will not get him or the Liberals elected. They misread the depth of the antipathy regarding Adscam, misread the need for change in the Lberals, and opted for business as usual with an old school leader.

I don't see what McKenna has been doing as anything remotely resembling retirement! He took the ambassadors post, certainly anything but low profile. He is chairing some big stuff for CanWest and TD Bank, and no doubt meeting and greeting many rich folk. He is emulating what Mulroney did prior to becoming PM.

There is a simple reason that McKenna did not run for the last leadership. He knew he had an excellent chance of becoming leader, but a much weaker chnace of gaining a majority government. He will bide his time, schmooze with the barons, gain plenty of support and return when both prizes are attainable.

Dion will be gone gone gone unless he wins a majority next time, which he can't do. 'Winning' minorities is not good enough in LiberalLand.

[jdobbin]

Oh, you commit personal attacks whenever you feel like it pal. Michael Bluth's a stalker, I made some wildly inaccurate predictions (or that's how you've put it) and now Jbg. I notice they are all to the right of you.

I also notice you've got some kind of fetish with this forum. It's rather tedious to be bumping into your damn posts every time I'm looking around. All you do is put a left spin on whatever thread you are in again and again. At least try a little variety.

I suggest you put me on ignore if my posts are so offensive to you.

You are obviously stinging from your mid-term election predictions. If I was wrong about your musings on the subject, do point it out to me and I'll take back what I said.

As for my predictions, I rightly pointed out that I wasn't on these boards during the last election so there is nothing to point out my accuracy one way or the other. There have been a few elections that I have been out of the country for or otherwise busy that I just didn't have time or the inclination to be involved or muse about the outcome.

As far as the next election goes, my prediction was that Harper was going to repeat a minority if he called a spring election. You can go check if you like. I said it many times and was widely ridiculed for saying so. Harper must have thought so as well since he pulled back from the precipice.

I am now predicting a Liberal minority if an election is to be held this fall.

You can call it spin if you like but I don't how you think my predicting a Tory minority victory all winter and into spring, spin. The spin obviously came from the people who asserted that the Tories would win a massive majority this spring.

[Michael Bluth]

Dion will be gone gone gone unless he wins a majority next time, which he can't do. 'Winning' minorities is not good enough in LiberalLand.

I think Dion will be ok with a minority.

Martin got a second chance after winning a minority despite talk of a record majority.

Turner got a second chance after leading the Liberals to their worst loss ever.

I don't see another record majority for the Conservatives, so Dion will get a second shot.

[Who's Doing What?]

No there hasn't been.

Uh ya there has. It must pain you to hold off on responding to Jdobbins EVERY SINGLE POST. Although half to 2/3 is still pretty good.

Many people have pointed out the inordinate amount of posts dobbin makes in Canadian politics.

Yes he does post a ton in Canadian politics. And you post a ton right after him.

For a while I was the sole victim of dobbin's false accusations.

Oh you mean like the false accusations you yourself have made?

Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.

My posting style hasn't changed.

No it hasn't, you still post like Ricki

Now that dobbin has decided to direct his unwarranted personal attacks at others, like Canuck E Stan, Sharkman and jbg, it appears that the number of my posts has "slowed"?

Not the # of posts overall, just the ones immediately following his.

Whatever.

Yup.

Doesn't that mean that dobbin should stop detracting from the board with false accusations hurled at me, if by your own admission my falsely attributed behaviour has "slowed"?

Again. Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.

I will still respond to dobbin's posts, on topic and with relevant questions when I feel I want to. As I have always done.

You mean with insults and other bits of nastiness?

Dobbin has stated repeatedly he is only trying to bait me to get me banned.

I don't know about BAITING, but he isn't the only one WAITING.

In post #79 of this thread he explicitly said he will not stop until I have "disappeared".

That's open to interpretation as a threat on my person.

Right, keep going way out of context. You're good at it.

Dobbin's threats and bullying have crossed a line and I have been forced to alter the content of my posts to ensure that nothing personal in nature is conveyed for fear of that threat being carried out.

Again. Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.

It appears the anger was merely directed at me for convenience. Now that dobbin falsely believes I have acquiesced to dobbin's inappropriate behaviour he has found new targets.

I think you are wrong. It appears to me he still feels that you are stalking him.

Bravo dobbin, your behaviour has gotten you what you purported to desire in your mind. If not in reality.

UH huh, that makes about as much sense as Harpers poor excuse for a childcare program.

[BC_chick]

No it hasn't, you still post like Ricki

Same belligerent tone, same arguments, same emoticons, same *scary* *scary* *scary*

I've taken dobbin's lead, WDW, you should too. I think we should all stop feeding this troll.

[Who's Doing What?]

No it hasn't, you still post like Ricki

Same belligerent tone, same arguments, same emoticons, same *scary* *scary* *scary*

I've taken dobbin's lead, WDW, you should too. I think we should all stop feeding this troll.

Perhaps you are right.

[Michael Bluth]

Same belligerent tone, same arguments, same emoticons, same *scary* *scary* *scary*

I've taken dobbin's lead, WDW, you should too. I think we should all stop feeding this troll.

Perhaps you are right.

Please take BC_chick's advice.

You are adding nothing to the board.

Everybody understands that dobbin is claiming I am stalking him.

That doesn't make it right and doesn't make his behaviour right.

If your goal was anything but attacking me presonally you'd give up this obsession with me.

Sadly, I can't see you doing it.

Is the fact that our Prime Minister isn't a Liberal really that much to cause such hateful behaviour on your behalf?

[Michael Bluth]

Forget about what Kennedy wanted, and think about what the Liberal executive wanted. Kennedy was never going to win under any cirucmstances, he just has so little presence outside the Party that he could not win an election.

Was it Ignatieff, a charismatic guy that they could not control and did not really know, a wild card? Could he win an election against Harper?

Was it Rae, a very experienced politician and tough guy to handle, who was also relatively new to the Party? Could he beat Harper (I think he could have, likely the only candidate who could)

It can be fairly argued that Kennedy was builidng himself up for a future leadership run.

I think Iggy is much more controllable then you believe.

I believe Rae had the best shot of the three to beat Harper.

[Who's Doing What?]

Please take BC_chick's advice.

You are adding nothing to the board.

Everybody understands that dobbin is claiming I am stalking him.

That doesn't make it right and doesn't make his behaviour right.

If your goal was anything but attacking me presonally you'd give up this obsession with me.

Sadly, I can't see you doing it.

Is the fact that our Prime Minister isn't a Liberal really that much to cause such hateful behaviour on your behalf?

You are adding nothing to the boards either, if that is how you want to play it. What is the point of attacking dobbin at almost every turn?

What about your behaviour?

I am only pointing things out. I know how you love to turn everything into a personal attack on yourself and then go around calling people things like Jack@ss, so it is time to give up the pity act.

I am not a liberal supporter.

Oh no you FALSELY ACCUSED me of being a liberal supporter. Boo hoo hoo.

[Michael Bluth]

Oh no you FALSELY ACCUSED me of being a liberal supporter. Boo hoo hoo.

Stocking is a criminial offence punishable with imprisonment.

Supporting the Liberals is just misguided.

I'll ask you to take BC_chicks advice, but you won't. Prefer to vent your hatred for some reason.

Have a good afternoon.

I might return to play your little reindeer game this afternoon but no guarantees.

[jazzer]

Is the fact that our Prime Minister isn't a Liberal really that much to cause such hateful behaviour on your behalf?

Why is it that when one disagrees with Harper we're accused by the right as being hateful? Much like how the U.S. repubs call their critics traitors. You guys can't seem to take any criticism. Time to get out of the sandbox.