gc1765 Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 Because you probably didn't spend much actual time in Toronto.Downtown, the Annex, College street all have a very different vibe then your Scarborough's, Markham's, Etobicoke's Maybe not. I don't know. I just know that the time I did spend there, which was enough, I didn't notice any feelings of superiority. edit: forgot to mention I did live in the actual city for several months...although most of my time in Ontario was in the GTA. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Posted June 14, 2007 Maybe not. I don't know. I just know that the time I did spend there, which was enough, I didn't notice any feelings of superiority. Are you from Ontario? I'd hear it as soon as it came up that I was from Alberta. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 Are you from Ontario?I'd hear it as soon as it came up that I was from Alberta. From there, yes. But I"m not there anymore. Been in Vancouver for quite a while now. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Posted June 14, 2007 From there, yes. But I"m not there anymore. Been in Vancouver for quite a while now. So as an 'insider', i.e. an Ontarian, you would be less likely to have heard the slights to areas outside the GTA. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 So as an 'insider', i.e. an Ontarian, you would be less likely to have heard the slights to areas outside the GTA. Less likely than who? Another person living in Toronto? Kind of catch-22 isn't it...if you are on the 'outside' you wouldn't hear the comments, but if you're on the 'inside' you wouldn't hear them either because you're an insider? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Posted June 14, 2007 Less likely than who? Another person living in Toronto? Kind of catch-22 isn't it...if you are on the 'outside' you wouldn't hear the comments, but if you're on the 'inside' you wouldn't hear them either because you're an insider? Even though I lived in the GTA I was an outsider because I'm from Alberta. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 Even though I lived in the GTA I was an outsider because I'm from Alberta. How did they know you were from Alberta? I take it you weren't wearing an "I'm from Alberta" shirt? And how would people know I'm not from Alberta...I certainly wasn't wearing an I'm from Alberta shirt...or an "I'm from Vancouver" shirt for that matter. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
BornAlbertan Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 Your explanation is correct. But I think it would be even more accurate to describe Calgary as Alberta's Toronto (in relation to Toronto's attitude and place in Canada).Maybe more akin to Toronto's place in Ontario. It's hard to ignore the %tage of population that Calgary represents in Alberta. Alberta's population: 3,290,350 Edmonton: 730,372 Metro: 1,034,945 Calgary: 988,193 Metro: 1,079,310 Uhm...nowhere close to Toronto's "place" in Ontario. Especially since Edmonton's metro is so much larger than Calgary's and MUCH MUCH closer geographically. You don'twant to ignore the %tage of population that Calgary represents in Alberta, ok that's fine. Consider this though, most people consider metro areas to be the "city" populace. SO...if such is the case, what gives Calgary to have such a bug up the ass over a difference of 1.4% of the provincial population. Or hell, Stelmach comes from Vegreville...not an Edmonton suburb but can be considered rural... Hmmmm....Calgary has 32.8% of the population, Edmonton 31.4 and the rest of the province is 35.7%. So tell me, does Calgary REALLY have that much to complain about? I mean, Ralph was their GOLDEN BOY. Then to suddenly turn coats like that? You can't tell me those people all switched Liberal because that is complete bullsh*t. They are peeved because they don't have a Calgary premier. Just like many of them are peeved that Edmonton is the capitol. It is an arrogance thing. Something I very much picked up on in my years living there. Then there is Edmonton. Hell, they keep elected morons for mayors and council so they have much larger things to worry about (like potholes that swallow cars). Quote
Canuck E Stan Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 Taft to demand a general election based on Ed's 'failure'? Alberta by-elections: The fallout But it certainly was not a vote of confidence for Kevin Taft or his party.Most Albertans when asked will say that they would not have a problem with a Liberal government, but what is holding them back is the current leader of the Alberta Liberals, whom they find to be extremely vacuous and incompetent. By contrast, last night’s winner, Craig Cheffins, is a bright and likeable fellow. In fact, as many people have said since his victory last night, he is actual leadership and premier material. The Liberals would be wise to consider him as a replacement for Taft – and the sooner, the better. The next provincial election is expected for the spring of 2008, so time is of the essence. Taft better watch himself as much as Ed, he's been a failure too. Craig just might be a leader to give the provincial Liberals some more seats from Calgary. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
jbg Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 Then there is Edmonton. Hell, they keep elected morons for mayors and council so they have much larger things to worry about (like potholes that swallow cars). Point of information. Is Mandel a moron? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BornAlbertan Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 Then there is Edmonton. Hell, they keep elected morons for mayors and council so they have much larger things to worry about (like potholes that swallow cars). Point of information. Is Mandel a moron? About as big as they get imo. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 15, 2007 Author Report Posted June 15, 2007 Point of information. Is Mandel a moron? About as big as they get imo. I don't know what to say. Haven't lived in Edmonton since before he was mayor. Don't give a rat's arse about civic politics. Edmonton has had some pretty weak mayors recently. Bill Smith? Jan Reimer? Terry Cavanagh? Laurence Decore was the last respectable mayor we had. Hell I even voted Liberal when he jumped to the Provincial scene. If only cancer hadn't gotten him maybe Ralphie's tenure would have been a lot shorter than it was. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Black Dog Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 What's wrong with Mandel, exactly? Smith was a genuine dim-bulb, but Mandel, by most accounts seems pretty shrewd. He's certainly not the publicity-hound Bronco is, but that's just different styles. Quote
BornAlbertan Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 What's wrong with Mandel, exactly? Smith was a genuine dim-bulb, but Mandel, by most accounts seems pretty shrewd. He's certainly not the publicity-hound Bronco is, but that's just different styles. The roads are the worst they have ever been....because there is no money to fix them. The roads are not cleared in the winter...because there is no money to fix them. The EPS is stretched and crime is rampant...because there is no money to fix it. He PERSONALLY owns Evergreen Trailer Park...and it is falling apart (just a sign of his personal commitment) While there is no money for repairing ageing infrastructure and boost law enforcement and thus safety, they: give themselves double digit raises impose double digit tax hikes perform a $15million rennovation to an art gallery a vast majority of Edmontonians have never and will never be to. Oh...and despite the lack of money, there has recently been talk now of eliminating business taxes!! Don't businesses need roads to bring customers to them?! Or sidewalks or buses? And Mandel is shrewd...but I will leave any form of ethnicity out of the explanation Thank god I am not an Edmonton city tax payer right now though. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 15, 2007 Author Report Posted June 15, 2007 And Mandel is shrewd...but I will leave any form of ethnicity out of the explanation You ARE a born Albertan. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
BornAlbertan Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 And Mandel is shrewd...but I will leave any form of ethnicity out of the explanation You ARE a born Albertan. I won't hide behind anything. I merely implied something that everyone knows. It is like saying "East Indians all cook with curry"...nobody disagrees with that. And yes...I am proud to be a born Albertan. One who has white, brown, red, black, gay and straight friends. I know who I am and my friends know who I am. And anyone who doesn't know who I am and thinks they do...well, their loss. Quote
Black Dog Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 The roads are the worst they have ever been....because there is no money to fix them.The roads are not cleared in the winter...because there is no money to fix them. The EPS is stretched and crime is rampant...because there is no money to fix it. And this is Mandel's fault...how? Municipalities, if you didn't know, rely almost exclusively on property taxes for revenue, which limits ghow much money they can raise. You want to blame somebody, blame the province. He PERSONALLY owns Evergreen Trailer Park...and it is falling apart (just a sign of his personal commitment) Cite? While there is no money for repairing ageing infrastructure and boost law enforcement and thus safety, they:give themselves double digit raises impose double digit tax hikes Think there's a connection there? And Mandel is shrewd...but I will leave any form of ethnicity out of the explanation Holy shit. I won't hide behind anything. I merely implied something that everyone knows. It is like saying "East Indians all cook with curry"...nobody disagrees with that. So what? Everyone knows jews are shrewd? You're earning big time credibility points here, champ. Quote
BornAlbertan Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 If you think I am gonna be like half the losers on this message board and the rest of the world who get their panties in a bunch and actually care that you implied what you did...you got the wrong guy. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 What's wrong with Mandel, exactly? Smith was a genuine dim-bulb, but Mandel, by most accounts seems pretty shrewd. He's certainly not the publicity-hound Bronco is, but that's just different styles. The roads are the worst they have ever been....because there is no money to fix them. The roads are not cleared in the winter...because there is no money to fix them. The EPS is stretched and crime is rampant...because there is no money to fix it. He PERSONALLY owns Evergreen Trailer Park...and it is falling apart (just a sign of his personal commitment) While there is no money for repairing ageing infrastructure and boost law enforcement and thus safety, they: give themselves double digit raises impose double digit tax hikes perform a $15million rennovation to an art gallery a vast majority of Edmontonians have never and will never be to. Oh...and despite the lack of money, there has recently been talk now of eliminating business taxes!! Don't businesses need roads to bring customers to them?! Or sidewalks or buses? And Mandel is shrewd...but I will leave any form of ethnicity out of the explanation Thank god I am not an Edmonton city tax payer right now though. And Mandel is shrewd...but I will leave any form of ethnicity out of the explanation You ARE a born Albertan. I won't hide behind anything. I merely implied something that everyone knows. It is like saying "East Indians all cook with curry"...nobody disagrees with that. And yes...I am proud to be a born Albertan. One who has white, brown, red, black, gay and straight friends. I know who I am and my friends know who I am. And anyone who doesn't know who I am and thinks they do...well, their loss. You implied that it is somehow relevant that Mandel is Jewish because.....??? You're a bigot. Oh yes, that's it! Mandel has been an excellent mayor. He has finally succeeded in pressuring the province into getting regional cooperation to the forefront, a major major issue. Your post is so filled with factual errors it is hard to know where to start. Roads? Bad shape for years from provincial cutbacks, they didn't start to deteriorate on Mandels watch. Taxes? Raised 4.95% this year in Edmonton, about the same as inflation, a remarkable achievement in light if the rampant growth of the city and attendant fiscal pressures. I won't bother expalining market based assessments and mill rates, you wouldn't get it anyway. Mandel does not personally own Evergreen Trailer Park. His family does own Lakeland Vilage which is not in Edmonton at all, but in the County of Strathcona. And so what? Quote The government should do something.
BornAlbertan Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 I'm a bigot? HAHAHA....I guess I will have to tell my Jewish pal that. Known the guy since kindergarten. But then again, we always joke about him being cheap whenever he picks up the tab or buys a round of drinks. He might say I am an asshole...but not a bigot Do you know what a STEREOTYPE is? Guess not...because you don't even really know what bigot means. You just throw the term around loosely when you see something you don't like. You people (oops.....there I go again) are so self-righteous. Quote
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