g_bambino Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 So if our government was involved in how? The CSIS interrogations of Khadr at Guantanamo. Those, the Supreme Court ruled, violated Khadr's Charter rights. I go back to my earlier staement: I'm not sure how much those are worth in compensation; I can't imagine all that much when comparing Khadr to Arar. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 The CSIS interrogations of Khadr at Guantanamo. Those, the Supreme Court ruled, violated Khadr's Charter rights. I go back to my earlier staement: I'm not sure how much those are worth in compensation; I can't imagine all that much when comparing Khadr to Arar. How did CSIS interrogate him? He was found in the company of a group that is for all intents and purposes our enemy. I think we should be pissed if they had not interrogated him, since if he is to come back to Canada I would want some intel on him and his involvement with the Taliban. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
dre Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 How did CSIS interrogate him? He was found in the company of a group that is for all intents and purposes our enemy. I think we should be pissed if they had not interrogated him, since if he is to come back to Canada I would want some intel on him and his involvement with the Taliban. Doesnt matter if you "think we should be pissed". What matters is that the legality of our Governments role in this. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Signals.Cpl Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 Doesnt matter if you "think we should be pissed". What matters is that the legality of our Governments role in this. So you are saying that CSIS, did a bad thing because they interrogated him? Keep in mind interrogation has a wide definition. Did they torture him? Abuse him in any way? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Rick Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 So you are saying that CSIS, did a bad thing because they interrogated him? Keep in mind interrogation has a wide definition. Did they torture him? Abuse him in any way? You honestly don't know?Really? Yes, he was. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
g_bambino Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 How did CSIS interrogate him? He was found in the company of a group that is for all intents and purposes our enemy. They interrogated him at Guantanamo, as I said. I think we should be pissed if they had not interrogated him, since if he is to come back to Canada I would want some intel on him and his involvement with the Taliban. I don't think the issue was with interrogating him, but the circumstances within which the interrogations took place. Had he been interviewed in Canadian custody or, perhaps, a foreign place run in a fashion parallel to any Canadian detention centre (same rules, laws, rights, etc.) then there wouldn't have been an issue. But, when CSIS agents went to interrogate him at Guantanamo, they became the link between his Canadian rigts and the illegal, by Canadian law, way he was being treated at the US detention facility. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 They interrogated him at Guantanamo, as I said. I don't think the issue was with interrogating him, but the circumstances within which the interrogations took place. Had he been interviewed in Canadian custody or, perhaps, a foreign place run in a fashion parallel to any Canadian detention centre (same rules, laws, rights, etc.) then there wouldn't have been an issue. But, when CSIS agents went to interrogate him at Guantanamo, they became the link between his Canadian rigts and the illegal, by Canadian law, way he was being treated at the US detention facility. so its not what they did rather where they did it? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 You honestly don't know? Really? Yes, he was. Omar Khadr ate a baby...see I can make wild accusations without proof, just like you. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
guyser Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 so its not what they did rather where they did it? 133 page thread and only now you are asking what this is about. Wonderful, but....what were you previous posts based on ? Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 133 page thread and only now you are asking what this is about. Wonderful, but....what were you previous posts based on ? Until the last few posts it was not presented that he was "interrogated" that's why he was suing it was presented with he was Canadian, Canada did nothing to get him back like the other western countries so he can sue. Whether or not Canadian agents were "interrogating him" is irrelevant as long as they did not commit any illegal actions on him./ If they asked him a bunch of questions but did not torture him I see no problem with that. Asking him questions wether it be in Canada, the States or Afghanistan is irrelevant, otherwise if we captured him in 2002 we would have had to wait to get him to Canada and then "interrogate" coddle him. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
g_bambino Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 so its not what they did rather where they did it? As I understand it, yes. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 As I understand it, yes. But the CSIS agents did not do anything wrong as in something they wouldn't have done in Canada? Is he able to sue the lawyers who were asking him questions again because they were there? Or any government employee who went to ask him questions about his treatment? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 This discussion has made me rethink my entire life, I mean my youth was wasted. Instead of going to school, finding a job, and working towards being a productive member of society I should have gone to Afghanistan joined the Taliban, killed an American soldier endure a few years of being a prisoner and then sue Canada because Canada's Intelligence Service was doing its job. don't worry, if he gets any money many people will not fail to see the message that is being sent out loud and clear. All I have to say about this. What this is doing is to justify any and every criminal because of a bad childhood or whatever they can come up. Turns out an honest life does not bring the same reward as a life of crime. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Guest Manny Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 As I understand it, yes. Wasn't it also that he was interrogated without legal counsel? Quote
g_bambino Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 If they asked him a bunch of questions but did not torture him I see no problem with that. It's that they asked him questions in the place where a teenager was being detained and tried without his full common law rights to due process and was tortured and they handed the answers to the people running the aforementioned facility. Quote
guyser Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 (edited) don't worry, if he gets any money many people will not fail to see the message that is being sent out loud and clear. Well, I can make an educated guess at 'what they will not fail to see',and you are right, lots of people will spout inanities about it, and look foolish doing so. (Same with Arar situation) Dont worry, you still dont get why he could wind up with some of yours mine and everyone elses money. And you prove it again right...... All I have to say about this. What this is doing is to justify any and every criminal because of a bad childhood or whatever they can come up. Turns out an honest life does not bring the same reward as a life of crime. ...here. Heres to you and your 'All I have to say about this' , .....promise to follow through? Edited May 16, 2012 by guyser Quote
g_bambino Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 Instead of going to school, finding a job, and working towards being a productive member of society I should have gone to Afghanistan joined the Taliban, [and] killed an American soldier... Your rights would've been exactly the same. Quote
dre Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 don't worry, if he gets any money many people will not fail to see the message that is being sent out loud and clear. Yup! And that message is that the government and its security apparatus cant ignore the law. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 Funny how you and eyeball both cite the same Supreme Court ruling as proof that the Supreme Court of Canada can hold the Canadian government responsible for Khadr's incarceration in Guantanamo and his treatment there by American officials If that's what you thought it's no wonder you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. when it very clearly deals only with the involvement of CSIS agents in that imprisonment and interrogation process. Did you figure that out all by yourself? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted May 16, 2012 Report Posted May 16, 2012 Oh really? So no "child" is ever guilty? I say BS. Edmund Kemper was guilty as they get...for example. Yes...look him up. No, he was as mentally ill as they get. That's not a crime it's a disease. Normally you treat people for being sick. Do you spank your kids when they get the flue or chicken-pox? Why not? As was Joshua Phillips...a monster...period. A monster? Doesn't sound like it. ...the girl is now a freshman at the University of Calgary who is in the final years of her sentence. She will be free one year after graduating in 2015. So, why do we give this scum, Omar, a pass and not those two darlings? Because we're Canadian?? That too, but primarily because he was a child-soldier who was illegally indoctrinated. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Signals.Cpl Posted May 17, 2012 Report Posted May 17, 2012 Yup! And that message is that the government and its security apparatus cant ignore the law. The message is that you can work all your life and the government takes, takes and takes some more. If you join a terrorist organization and kill an American the government will give give and give some more. I guess the British should give Hasib Hussain's family a medal, pension and a nice house after all he killed 13 people, thats gotta count for something right? I mean come on one American can't be better then 13 Brits right? And he was child only 18 so mommy and poppy musta brainwashed him... And the mean MI5 and MI6 did not prevent the death of this hero... Those Damned bastards how could they leave this victim family without the proper amount of money for his sacrifice due to the failure of the services to prevent his death... Well, the best thing is that Khadr will right a nice little Autobiography and make some money on the side. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
g_bambino Posted May 17, 2012 Report Posted May 17, 2012 If that's what you thought it's no wonder you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Yea, I guess you're right. My apologies; you never referenced the Supreme Court ruling. In fact, you offered nothing to support your stupid assertion that the Canadian government was guilty of Khadr's incarceration at Guantanamo and what he was subjected to there and that the Supreme Court, thanks, somehow, to the Geneva Conventions, can say so. At least Rick tried (poorly) to substantiate his argument. You just spout bullshit uncontrollably. Quote
eyeball Posted May 17, 2012 Report Posted May 17, 2012 Yea, I guess you're right. My apologies; you never referenced the Supreme Court ruling. Sure I did, just not for the reason you'd like us to believe I did. In fact, you offered nothing to support your stupid assertion that the Canadian government was guilty of Khadr's incarceration at Guantanamo and what he was subjected to there and that the Supreme Court, thanks, somehow, to the Geneva Conventions, can say so. Show me where I actually say what you just said. Substantiate your argument in other words. At least Rick tried (poorly) to substantiate his argument. You just spout bullshit uncontrollably. No, I'm just not responding to your's and it's driving you nuts. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
g_bambino Posted May 17, 2012 Report Posted May 17, 2012 Show me where I actually say what you just said. We were in for a penny therefore just as guilty as if it were a pound.If his incarceration violates the Geneva Conventions then it's in the SC's purview. No, I'm just not responding... Which is, in itself, a response. Quote
eyeball Posted May 17, 2012 Report Posted May 17, 2012 Which is, in itself, a response. If you say so. In the meantime all you've shown me is that you're quite accomplished at peeing into the wind and I got that a long time ago. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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