Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Then what are posters saying happened at 8 or 10 to make it inhumane to try him at Guantanamo? Sorry I don't understand the question. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 And a large 'big deal' to this post. Once again, he is a CDN citizen, ergo, enititled to healthcare. He may be/is a risk thus a cost to our forces, CSIS or RCMP. Big deal.....and so what? Get out of jail free card. He makes an IED that kills 5 Americans and in ensuing battle is injured, he comes to Canada to take advantage of the healthcare. His family as a whole have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they do not care about Canada except when it comes to healthcare or other events brought on by their terrorist activities. I don't think he is entitled to a Canadian Citizenship if he is going to Afghanistan and trying to kill me and other Canadian soldier,sailors and aircrew. Send him back to afghanistan and take his passport, let him get a 10min head start and send the Infantry to hunt the animal down. Hopefully someone takes care of that human Garbage. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
bleeding heart Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) Send him back to afghanistan and take his passport, let him get a 10min head start and send the Infantry to hunt the animal down. Hopefully someone takes care of that human Garbage. You mean like military personnel who enjoy the idea of hunting and murdering people for fun and sport? Edited May 11, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 You mean like military personnel who enjoy the idea of hunting and murdering people for fun and sport? Any sources for that accusation? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
bleeding heart Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Any sources for that accusation? Scroll up a couple of inches. I was quoting you directly. Also....what accusation? I asked for your opinion on a question directly relevant to what you posted. I'll take your answer to my question as "no." Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) Scroll up a couple of inches. I was quoting you directly. Also....what accusation? I asked for your opinion on a question directly relevant to what you posted. I'll take your answer to my question as "no." Enjoy? Fun? For sport? None of those apply to my post or point of view I can use smaller words for you if you want. He wants to fight for Afghanistan then he should go live there. Khadr and the other animals like him would kill me and any other western citizen given the chance, I don't see why I would wish him to live and get his chance to do it again. Edited May 11, 2012 by Signals.Cpl Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
jbg Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) Then what are posters saying happened at 8 or 10 to make it inhumane to try him at Guantanamo? Sorry I don't understand the question. This one: He WAS involved with them at 8 - 10. I think if you'd become involved with them, at any age, I'd strongly suspect you be innocent due to your obvious diminished capacity to even comprehend what you write. he had become involved with the Taliban/Al-Qaeda when he was 8 or 10 then it would be a different story, but at age 15 two months shy of age 16 he knew or ought to have known right from wrong and good from bad. (posts not directly linked but clearly are related) Edited May 11, 2012 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) This one: I reread the comments on the previous page, and I am sorry but using eyeball as a source does not add credibility to the argument actually it might be counterproductive to your argument. Edited May 11, 2012 by Signals.Cpl Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
jbg Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) You want me to answer for eyeball's comments?....I reread the comments on the previous page, and I am sorry but using eyeball as a source does not add credibility to the argument actually it might be counterproductive to your argument. The gist of his comment is that somehow someone who is molded into becoming a terrorist at a young age is immune from retribution. I find that an alarming argument. Edited May 11, 2012 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 The gist of his comment is that somehow someone who is molded into becoming a terrorist at a young age is immune from retribution. I find that an alarming argument. I do too, if we go down that path any childhood trauma could excuse the same behaviour as an adult. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
bleeding heart Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Enjoy? Fun? For sport? None of those apply to my post or point of view I can use smaller words for you if you want. He wants to fight for Afghanistan then he should go live there. After which, as you added, you would give him a "ten minute head start," and then send the infantry to hunt him and kill him. If that wasn't for fun and sport, then by definition no game would be made of it. Obviously. Own your opinions, bloodthirsty and morally relativist as they may be! Own 'em and love 'em! Khadr and the other animals like him would kill me and any other western citizen given the chance, I don't see why I would wish him to live and get his chance to do it again. Then why the ten minute head start? Because it'd be fun! Yes? Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
g_bambino Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) Khadr and the other animals like him would kill me and any other western citizen given the chance, I don't see why I would wish him to live and get his chance to do it again. Are you going to kill everyone who could potentially kill you? Because that would be, well, everyone. Some are more inclined than others to try, perhaps; but, there are more than just a couple of Khadrs out there who'd do it if given the chance; many more. The Crown doesn't deny them citizenship (partly because there isn't a way to determine how likely someone would be to murder in the absence of laws and policing). As much as he may hate Canada (or not), hating Canada isn't a crime. He (assuming we're still talking about Abdulkareem, here) wasn't convicted of a crime. And, even if he were, he was born in Canada; as such, he can't be stripped of his citizenship and he can't be extradited until another country is willing to take him in. [ed.: +] Edited May 11, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 After which, as you added, you would give him a "ten minute head start," and then send the infantry to hunt him and kill him. If that wasn't for fun and sport, then by definition no game would be made of it. Obviously. Own your opinions, bloodthirsty and morally relativist as they may be! Own 'em and love 'em! Then why the ten minute head start? Because it'd be fun! Yes? Give the little cockroach a chance, something many of his friends don't give to the little girls they murder in Afghanistan. They don't give a chance to civilians who they blow up in suicide bombings. Maybe you are right, we shouldn't even give the animal a chance. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
guyser Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Hopefully someone takes care of that human Garbage. The irony of that is......someone who will take care of him,will be you ! Your tax dollars, my tax dollars, all of ours. Isnt life wonderful! Quote
bleeding heart Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Give the little cockroach a chance, something many of his friends don't give to the little girls they murder in Afghanistan. They don't give a chance to civilians who they blow up in suicide bombings. Maybe you are right, we shouldn't even give the animal a chance. So...now you don't want to play Hunt and Murder? Make up your mind. Team-size is limited and time-sensitive. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Are you going to kill everyone who could potentially kill you? Because that would be, well, everyone. Some are more inclined than others to try, perhaps; but, there are more than just a couple of Khadrs out there who'd do it if given the chance; many more. The Crown doesn't deny them citizenship (partly because there isn't a way to determine how likely someone would be to murder in the absence of laws and policing). As much as he may hate Canada (or not), hating Canada isn't a crime. He (assuming we're still talking about Abdulkareem, here) wasn't convicted of a crime. And, even if he were, he was born in Canada; as such, he can't be stripped of his citizenship and he can't be extradited until another country is willing to take him in. [ed.: +] More accurately I support death for people who will willingly commit mass murder. They do/did it in Afghanistan, America, Spain, France, England, Russia, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Pakistan, and many other countries. If you are willing to commit mass murder of people who have not done anything to deserve death means you don't deserve to live. Who will be responsible for the body count should it turn out that he cannot be rehabilitated and or has no desire to live a peaceful life? What if he decides to go to Afghanistan and kill Canadian soldiers or more Americans? Or is wounded in the process and comes to Canada for medical treatment after killing Canadian soldiers? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 So...now you don't want to play Hunt and Murder? Make up your mind. Team-size is limited and time-sensitive. I am agreeing with you, Khadr and his kind don't give innocent people a chance so why should we. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
g_bambino Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 More accurately I support death for people who will willingly commit mass murder. Well, I'm not an advocate of the death penalty. And, with Al Qaeda members/affiliates in particular, they'd just become martyrs for the cause, anyway. Who will be responsible for the body count should it turn out that he cannot be rehabilitated and or has no desire to live a peaceful life? What if he decides to go to Afghanistan and kill Canadian soldiers or more Americans? Or is wounded in the process and comes to Canada for medical treatment after killing Canadian soldiers? Again, you can't imprison someone based on what they might do. One can only be incarcerated for what one has done; though, it's possible to be kept in jail if the crime caused physical harm and it's deemed that one is likely to commit the same crime again. Quote
g_bambino Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 I am agreeing with you, Khadr and his kind don't give innocent people a chance so why should we. Because that makes you as bad as that which you despise? Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Well, I'm not an advocate of the death penalty. And, with Al Qaeda members/affiliates in particular, they'd just become martyrs for the cause, anyway. Again, you can't imprison someone based on what they might do. One can only be incarcerated for what one has done; though, it's possible to be kept in jail if the crime caused physical harm and it's deemed that one is likely to commit the same crime again. He did MURDER someone and participated in a terrorist attack. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
g_bambino Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 He did MURDER someone and participated in a terrorist attack. Who's the "he" we're talking about here? Abdulkareem? Omar? Which participated in a terrorist attack? Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Because that makes you as bad as that which you despise? I am not suggesting to kill an innocent person, I am suggesting rid the world of terrorist. Just like I support execution for the Rwanda Genocide perpetrators or the perpetrators of the Holocaust or anyone who does not value human life. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Who's the "he" we're talking about here? Abdulkareem? Omar? Which participated in a terrorist attack? Omar Khadr participated in a terrorist attack on US forces. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
g_bambino Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 I am not suggesting to kill an innocent person, I am suggesting rid the world of terrorist. Just like I support execution for the Rwanda Genocide perpetrators or the perpetrators of the Holocaust or anyone who does not value human life. A person's lack of regard for human life isn't a justification for ending that person's life, in my opinion. Omar Khadr participated in a terrorist attack on US forces. He did? I know he admitted to attacking US soldiers, namely with a grenade, in a firefight; but I haven't heard of him being involved in a terrorist attack on anyone. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted May 11, 2012 Report Posted May 11, 2012 Evidently there are Canadians who do not want Omar living in their communities; they don't want him for a neighbor: Communities unite against Khadr return Some Toronto groups are handing out flyers and placing posters in Scarborough protesting the Canadian return of child terrorist Omar Khadr to serve out a 40-year prison term.The groups also plan to pay for an anti-Khadr advertisement at the Kennedy Subway Station, near to where they claim the terrorist could be relocated with his family in Scarborough. The link has a photo of the flyer; it's very clear how those involved in this campaign feel. Quote
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