Khadr should make us ashamed to be Canadian

[M.Dancer]

I should add the GC is not a tool that can be used against enemies. It is a code of conduct. Either you follow it or you risk being charged (if apprehended) with a war crime.

The US soldiers convicted did of course commit a war crime. The same crime is also a US federal crime, with penalties just as, or more severe than they would get in the Hague.

20 years in a Federal Prison? That is hard hard time.

[jbg]

Is the war crime definition based solely on the fact that Khadr was not an official Afghani soldier, and because he's not wearing a uniform? If that's the case, aren't all the detainees also war criminals by that definition?

In addition to M. Dancer's rather good analysis I offer the following. It would seem that the U.S. is excoriated for killing civilians. It's rather hard to avoid shooting at non-combatants if both combatants and non-combatants are out of uniform.

Thus, all detainees are war criminals.

[jbg]

"The opposition of the United States to the International Criminal Court appears as either a puzzle or an embarrassment to many of the nation's traditional supporters. A puzzle, because it is not at all obvious why the United States should feel so threatened by this new court. Supporters of the Court point out that there are ample provisions in the Rome Statute designed to protect a mature democracy's capacity to engage in legal self-regulation and self-policing. To raise the specter of an irresponsible prosecutor before the ICC, or of other nations manipulating the Court's jurisdiction for anti-American political purposes, is to create a straw man.

There are serious U.S. constitutional problems to subjecting any citizen to non-jury trials. That alone makes our participation impossible.

[Radsickle]

There are serious constitutional problems to subjecting any Canadian citizen to unfair trials and torture. That alone won't stop Harper though.

[M.Dancer]

There are serious constitutional problems to subjecting any Canadian citizen to unfair trials and torture. That alone won't stop Harper though.

Yes but only in Canada. Canadian law has no problem with Canadians in other jurisdictions.

Case in point as brought up in another threads, In Saudi Arabia, they are going to cut off a kids head over a school yard fight gone bad.

There is a reason why no one whining about Khadr cares about this Canadian miscreant...being a non terrorist who may have killed a non american.

BTW...the pewrson who the left seem unfamilair with is the only one in years who has probably been tortured....and had an unfair trial...but save your corcodial tears for some pos terrorist.

[jbg]

Case in point as brought up in another threads, In Saudi Arabia, they are going to cut off a kids head over a school yard fight gone bad.

Please stop.

I have the utmost respect for Arab and Muslim culture.

[bush_cheney2004]

There are serious U.S. constitutional problems to subjecting any citizen to non-jury trials. That alone makes our participation impossible.

Excellent point....the two are mutually exclusive.

[Radsickle]

Yes but only in Canada. Canadian law has no problem with Canadians in other jurisdictions.

Case in point as brought up in another threads, In Saudi Arabia, they are going to cut off a kids head over a school yard fight gone bad.

There is a reason why no one whining about Khadr cares about this Canadian miscreant...being a non terrorist who may have killed a non american.

BTW...the pewrson who the left seem unfamilair with is the only one in years who has probably been tortured....and had an unfair trial...

I'm familiar with that case too. This just in....

Canadian spared execution by Saudi, granted retrial

Oddly, it was one of Harper's thugs who "appealed for clemency and raised objections to the sentence with Saudi human rights authorities."

Edited February 13, 2010 by Radsickle

[Radsickle]

"The federal government is asking the United States not to use evidence collected by Canadian agents in the prosecution of Omar Khadr after the Supreme Court ruled his Charter rights were trampled during repeated interrogations."

Only because the Supreme Court told him to say something, here's Harper's whimper of a human rights cry for Omar:

http://www.thestar.com/specialsections/article/766675--u-s-asked-to-ignore-khadr-reports

Luckily, this will probably be enough to scuttle Omar's Kangaroo Court and give him a chance in a real court.

Edited February 19, 2010 by Radsickle

[capricorn]

Luckily, this will probably be enough to scuttle Omar's Kangaroo Court and give him a chance in a real court.

From what I've read, all of the evidence against Khadr has not yet been disclosed or made public. Which would mean that even if all the evidence collected during interviews conducted with Canadian authorities present was excluded, it's doubtful the charges against him would be thrown out for lack of evidence. The Conservative government knows this and the diplomatic note was merely intended to appease the bleeding hearts. Khadr will get his day in court, but not in Canada. Where he serves his life sentence is another matter.

[eyeball]

Ottawa sends diplomatic note after top court rules CSIS interrogations trampled suspect's rights

Ottawa should make us ashamed to be Canadian. It's disgraceful.

[M.Dancer]

It would be fitting that if and when he is returned to Canada that he faced justice based on his testimony to CSIS.

[eyeball]

That would certainly be in keeping with a country that's decided human rights need to ratcheted back.

[M.Dancer]

That would certainly be in keeping with a country that's decided human rights need to ratcheted back.

Criminal justice, law enforcement and penalties are basic human rights.

[eyeball]

Criminal justice, law enforcement and penalties are basic human rights.

Yes, assuming there's a process that duly applies them.

[Peter F]

It would be fitting that if and when he is returned to Canada that he faced justice based on his testimony to CSIS.

Unfortunatly that would be against the norms of fundemental justice: No lawyer present; coerced testimony.

[eyeball]

Unfortunatly that would be against the norms of fundemental justice: No lawyer present; coerced testimony.

Case closed. But then how do you close a case if you never open it in the first place?

[M.Dancer]

Unfortunatly that would be against the norms of fundemental justice: No lawyer present; coerced testimony.

Yes, a lot like an undrcover agent waering a wire....shocking the methods they use

[Peter F]

Yes, a lot like an undrcover agent waering a wire....shocking the methods they use

No, not a lot like that at all.

[M.Dancer]

No, not a lot like that at all.

Yeah...more l;ike a jail house informant...tsk tsk tsk

[bloodyminded]

Yeah...more l;ike a jail house informant...tsk tsk tsk

No.

How about several years of incarceration without a trial? This is in itself coercion.

Edited February 22, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Radsickle]

From what I've read, all of the evidence against Khadr has not yet been disclosed or made public. Which would mean that even if all the evidence collected during interviews conducted with Canadian authorities present was excluded, it's doubtful the charges against him would be thrown out for lack of evidence. The Conservative government knows this and the diplomatic note was merely intended to appease the bleeding hearts. Khadr will get his day in court, but not in Canada. Where he serves his life sentence is another matter.

Oh good, an inside scoop! Please, tell us what else the conservative government "knows".

This bleeding heart is FAR from `appeased'. This bleeding heart, for one, is quite certain 99% of the `evidence' against Khadr has been fed to the media by now. I'll be very surprised if the American army tries to conjure up some forensic evidence gathered from an exploded sandcastle. Exactly what shred of damning proof against the child Omar Khadr do you think they have up their sleeve? Ballistic evidence? Fingerprints?

This Kangaroo Court will not stand the light of day. Omar will be brought back here and dealt with by fellow Canadians.

[Bonam]

This Kangaroo Court will not stand the light of day. Omar will be brought back here and dealt with by fellow Canadians.

Yeah, where he can be given double credit for time served, allotted a few years sentence, and released immediately. No thanks.

[eyeball]

Yeah, where he can be given double credit for time served, allotted a few years sentence, and released immediately. No thanks.

If you think you're pissed now, you're probably going to blow an artery when he's finally compensated to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.

[bloodyminded]

Yeah, where he can be given double credit for time served, allotted a few years sentence, and released immediately. No thanks.

Anything short of a life-without-parole sentence demands that he be given credit for time served. Unfortunately for people who dislike human rights and justice, that is justice.