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[Argus]

No, thank you. Thank you for pointing out that you are more interested in political correctness than the actual truth. That's actually scary.

Earlier in the thread, the subject was brought up of why minority groups don't support the CPC. I said that I can't speak for all, but for me, even if I weren't socially and fiscally liberal, I could not bring myself to join the ranks of political party which has the support those who don't consider me a real Canadian (read - xenophobes). Others were denying that there is a link between xenophobes and the CPC and asked for me to show examples of CPC supporters who are against multiculturalism.

That was not what was asked. What was asked is to show postings which were definably racist - I mean racist the way sane people define racist - not racist because someone is opposed to immigration or multiculturalism or whatever trough-sucking government funded social experiment you feel strokes your ethnic awareness buttons.

[jdobbin]

jdobbin sees his job these days to sit on the sidelines while debate gets heated, and watch closely for any hint that the side he doesn't like might be in some small way insulting the side he does. He then pops up to demand that person obey the rules and stop insulting people. Then he sinks back into the obscurity he so richly deserves.

I don't have to wait back to see when things get heated. Whatever pops out of your mouth usually tends towards insults. It doesn't have to be that way.

I certainly haven't directed any at you here in this thread or elsewhere. I think I said the moderator just warned a few days ago to cool it and I pointed out to you that were veering in that direction. When you want to give your viewpoint, I have seen you able to do it articulately. At the moment, your posts seem quite angry and you direct your anger at people directly.

You should try to relax and try not to take things personally.

[BC_chick]

How about them Young Liberal Ads? What a thought-provoking discussion that turned out to be. I sure learned a lot.

[jdobbin]

How about them Young Liberal Ads? What a thought-provoking discussion that turned out to be. I sure learned a lot.

Those ads seemed to bring about more discussion than the forgotten Tory ads. I don't even think I saw one of them on television at all.

[BC_chick]

Those ads seemed to bring about more discussion than the forgotten Tory ads. I don't even think I saw one of them on television at all.

They didn't plan for them to go on TV as far as I know. When/if an election is called, I have a feeling things will get dirtier. Harper wants to bring up flip-flopping as a sign of un-leadership, he better be prepared to defend income trusts and his various environment plans.

[Michael Bluth]

How about them Young Liberal Ads? What a thought-provoking discussion that turned out to be. I sure learned a lot.

Appears to me the big tangent started with this post.

Not every conservative is a racist, but every racist is a conservative.

For that, you'll never get me on your team. I would never, could never, take part in a political party who is supported by every bigot in the country.

Maybe if you spent a little less time on the blanket attacks then there could be thought provoking discussion.

At least you saw the error in your ways on the "racists" line.

[BC_chick]

At least you saw the error in your ways on the "racists" line.

Unlike you who walked away every time you were proven wrong.

[Michael Bluth]

Unlike you who walked away every time you were proven wrong.

Five posts ago you whine about the discussion not be related to the original post. Then you post this.

Hmm, so you don't really care about the original post you just want to get in your digs?

Good for you.

[BC_chick]

Have the last word Michael, I've made my point.

[Michael Bluth]

Have the last word Michael, I've made my point.

OK. Thanks for that.

[Who's Doing What?]

Is this your version of a "nyah nyah?"

No. Just my cutting through the garbage.

Is it something that should be looked at by a professional?

Perhaps. There is obviously some hostility towards others there.

[scribblet]

Thanks all for the contribution.

For the record, I did not set out to engage in a debate on whether or not xenophobia or cultural supremacy are moral, warranted, or justified.

All I wanted to do was to establish a link between those who believe it to be a perfectly natural phenomenon, with those who are staunch supporters the CPC.

I believe I have established that.

You have not, - far from it, in fact, all you have established is that you have the ability to make far more wide ranging bigoted and xenophobic statements.

Those who promote multiculturalism are actually promoting an ideology of authoritarianism and hate, where no opposing views or debate are allowed and everyone is is well you know - a racist. Look to yourself first.

[ScottSA]

Thanks all for the contribution.

For the record, I did not set out to engage in a debate on whether or not xenophobia or cultural supremacy are moral, warranted, or justified.

All I wanted to do was to establish a link between those who believe it to be a perfectly natural phenomenon, with those who are staunch supporters the CPC.

I believe I have established that.

Given that you agreed with Kimmy in the following instance:

And if refusing to tolerate or accept aspects of other cultures that utterly contrary to Canadian ideals is racist or xenophobic, then we should all be more racist and xenophobic.

Count me in on that one. Never argued otherwise.

...and given that you are clearly not a supporter of the CPC, I would say that you have established nothing of the sort.

[BC_chick]

Given that you agreed with Kimmy in the following instance:

And if refusing to tolerate or accept aspects of other cultures that utterly contrary to Canadian ideals is racist or xenophobic, then we should all be more racist and xenophobic.

Count me in on that one. Never argued otherwise.

...and given that you are clearly not a supporter of the CPC, I would say that you have established nothing of the sort.

I highlighted the key word in the statement with which I agreed.

[ScottSA]

Given that you agreed with Kimmy in the following instance:

And if refusing to tolerate or accept aspects of other cultures that utterly contrary to Canadian ideals is racist or xenophobic, then we should all be more racist and xenophobic.

Count me in on that one. Never argued otherwise.

...and given that you are clearly not a supporter of the CPC, I would say that you have established nothing of the sort.

I highlighted the key word in the statement with which I agreed.

Well, by now you've retreated so far from your original position that you need a telescope to even see it. And, I might add, parsed it right out of existence. What do you mean you agree with the "if?" You don't agree with the thought that the "if" hinges on? You did define not celebrating multiculturalism as racism or xenophobia, or whatever the various stops on your fighting retreat were, right? Yet here you're agreeing with an "if" that seems to disagree with your ever diminishing argument at its very core. You seem to be saying now that you're a believer in "if," but little else, and are therefore not a CPC supporter.

[BC_chick]

Scott,

No matter how many times you repeat yourself, the only thing I've retreated on was exchanging the word racist - which I acknowledged was too vague - with xenophobes/supremacists. When pushed for a definition for xenophobes, I have maintained throughout the thread that it may or may not be based on cultural supremacy even though I personally believe them go hand in hand more often than not.

As for the "if" in kimmy's statement. Earlier you defined xenophobia as:

an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

Clearly, I was disagreeing with her definition of the word.

Sorry if the innuendo was lost on you. I'll try and be more literal in the future.

[ScottSA]

Scott,

No matter how many times you repeat yourself, the only thing I've retreated on was exchanging the word racist - which I acknowledged was too vague - with xenophobes/supremacists. When pushed for a definition for xenophobes, I have maintained throughout the thread that it may or may not be based on cultural supremacy even though I personally believe them go hand in hand more often than not.

As for the "if" in kimmy's statement. Earlier you defined xenophobia as:

an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.

Clearly, I was disagreeing with her definition of the word.

Sorry if the innuendo was lost on you. I'll try and be more literal in the future.

It would help a lot. Figurative speaking tends to confuse everyone involved. Including, I suspect, you.

[BC_chick]

Figurative speaking tends to confuse everyone involved. Including, I suspect, you.

Figurative, schmigurative, I thought the inference would be evident. You of all people, I thought would appreciate the subtlety.

You like the new signature? I put it there just for you after this little misunderstanding....

[mikedavid00]

Little do those spoiled brats know that the main Liberal support base are people who's native tonque is not English or who are considered a 'visible minority' by our gov't.

(I open a challenge to anyone who can prove my above statement wrong)

Um, isn't the onus of proof on the person MAKING a claim?

No it's not actually. This has been extensivelly discussed on the newsgroups and other forums. The onus is on the recipient to prove it otherwise.

[Who's Doing What?]

No it's not actually. This has been extensivelly discussed on the newsgroups and other forums. The onus is on the recipient to prove it otherwise.

Actually it is your resposibility to back up any claim you make with facts, stats, a link or some other means of proof. Otherwise people like yourself could just spout off about anything and never take any responsibility to ensure any sort of accuracy.

[mikedavid00]

I'm glad you asked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRafIJExOQE

LOL!!!

I LOVE IT!! LOL!

Man thos libs can really speak out of both sides of their mouths!!

LOL!!

[mikedavid00]

fixed.

[BC_chick]

I'm a social and fiscal liberal, so I vote based on my conscious.

First, BC Chick is married.

Secondly, it's nice to hear that you finally admitted you are a Liberal.

Thirdly, it's factual the employers in Canada do not favor minorities becuase of their English skills. Understand the visible minorities are a *recent* phenomenon in Canada and thus many visible minorities in Canada are immigrants.

You spew emotions. Emotions towards ethnic women.. - not facts.

Who are you talking to? Geoffrey or me? That's my quote.

And speaking of spewing emotions about ethnic women..... geez, why would you assume I'm married? And in any case, what would my martial status have to do with anything?????

Oh, and my English is better than yours. So is my French....

[mikedavid00]

No it's not actually. This has been extensivelly discussed on the newsgroups and other forums. The onus is on the recipient to prove it otherwise.

Actually it is your resposibility to back up any claim you make with facts, stats, a link or some other means of proof. Otherwise people like yourself could just spout off about anything and never take any responsibility to ensure any sort of accuracy.

Nope.

The onus is on the person disagreeing with the statement to prove it false. That's why I have done it a million times.

Yes it's time consuming, but you will grain credibility and learn something.

If you don't, you are just shooting of blind opinions and emotions which doesn't help anyone.

[geoffrey]

I'm a social and fiscal liberal, so I vote based on my conscious.

First, BC Chick is married.

Secondly, it's nice to hear that you finally admitted you are a Liberal.

Thirdly, it's factual the employers in Canada do not favor minorities becuase of their English skills. Understand the visible minorities are a *recent* phenomenon in Canada and thus many visible minorities in Canada are immigrants.

You spew emotions. Emotions towards ethnic women.. - not facts.

Why did you quote me there? I didn't say that. Fix it please.