Ipperwash Report Released

[Mad_Michael]

If I think you stole my car, I can't go occupy your house until you give it back... I sue you and the courts find some kind of settlement. That's the way things are done.

If you are the government, a chartered bank or a very large corporation you can do exactly that. They take (or seize) first then send the lawyers afterwards.

Law is all about WHO you are. It should not be this way, but it is.

[Posit]

Apparently, from the responses on this forum there are still far too many that would want to put their blinders on and ignore the law and facts of law. It doesn't present much hope in terms of the archaic bigoted thinking still hiding behind political politeness.

[Mad_Michael]

Apparently, from the responses on this forum there are still far too many that would want to put their blinders on and ignore the law and facts of law. It doesn't present much hope in terms of the archaic bigoted thinking still hiding behind political politeness.

Gosh, you mean you didn't find sufficient native-bashing here?

Our government created that crisis at Ipperwash and the media fanned the flames. They wanted confrontation to satisfy the segment of the electorate that loves native-bashing.

[Rue]

"Indians get a free ride, it's been going on too long. Dudley George was in the wrong, it's tradgic that people had to die but sometimes that happens when you occupy land with thugs known to kill police officers".

Geoffrey read your words above. "Indians get a free ride". Read your words, "thugs known to kill police officers".

As long as you communicate in such a manner, i.e., making negative generalizations about an entire people, you engage in nothing more then racism or negative prejudice directed at aboriginal peoples.

Here is the point Geoffrey. Many of us who are not aboriginal do not feel aboriginal peoples, and more specifically First Nation peoples have had a free ride. In fact many of us believe they have legitimate legal treaties that have been breached and we believe they have had anything but a free ride. In fact surveys show the MAJORITY of Canadians feel this way and in fact most Canadians now are intelligent enough to even understand why the word "Indian" which remains in the federal law's title is a derogatory word.

You want to hate aboriginals as a people and slur them all, no one can stop you but here is the point. The aboriginal peoples in the park at the time of the shooting were Canadian citizens exercising their right under the laws to assemble and express themselves. They were not enagged in crime nor your slurring them as thugs can change that fact.

The point is Dudley George had no weapon. The point is he was shot in cold blood and that is precisely what the commission found.

The point is the police made a huge error in judgement in shooting him and engaging in the confrontation they did.

The point is and what your racist hatred of aboriginals will always fail to understand is that yes in fact legally, the aboriginal peoples have a unique legal status different then ANY OTHER Canadian group precisely because of the law. It has nothing to do with giving them extra rights and everything to do with

simply recognizing the treaties we entered into with them precisely because they existed before we came and when we came we took land from them and did all kinds of things to them.

We Canadians have a collective legal and moral responsibility whether you like it or not. You hate these people as is clear in your comments because you think they are advantaged.

In that sense you are quite something. Are you even aware that aboriginals constitute 3% of our population and yet constitute 20 to 25% of the prisoners in jail. You call them thugs. Would it ever occur to you that if they live in communities with 6o to 70% unemployment and NO facilities, they will turn to drugs and alcohol and this is precisely why their suicide rates are so high and why the vast majority of aboriginals arrested are unemployed.

You want to demonize them and call them thugs no one can stop you but many of us feel aboriginal peoples and the First Nations peoples who are part of the aboriginal peoples are not thugs or animals but fellow Canadians who we are proud of and respect.

Sorry Geoffrey to demonize Dudly George as deserving of his death is just outlandish. He was a man, a man with a generous spirit trying to do what he thought was right and express his opinion in a peaceful manner when he was shot and murdered and if your hatred blinds you to that so be it.

There will e a comprehensive series of just settlements because most Canadians who are not aboriginal people believe it is our moral obligation to assure that this can be done, not because we want to give aboriginal people different rights but because we want to recognize their uniqueness and their heritage and the wealth that comes from being able to shre their uniqueness and heritage.

[geoffrey]

If I think you stole my car, I can't go occupy your house until you give it back... I sue you and the courts find some kind of settlement. That's the way things are done.

If you are the government, a chartered bank or a very large corporation you can do exactly that. They take (or seize) first then send the lawyers afterwards.

Law is all about WHO you are. It should not be this way, but it is.

Apparently if I was an Indian I could do this and the police would stand by and critise the home owner for being too aggresive.

[Argus]

Gosh, you mean you didn't find sufficient native-bashing here?

Our government created that crisis at Ipperwash and the media fanned the flames. They wanted confrontation to satisfy the segment of the electorate that loves native-bashing.

Although you now need to be a subscriber, the link I posted earlier in this thread is a telling condemnation of that kind of thinking.

Yes, yes and yes. But while we are listing those to blame for Mr. George's death, is there no part that should be apportioned to the native occupiers themselves? Whatever their grievances, and however justified these may have been, there is little dispute that the occupation was illegal. Indeed, the provincial park, where the fatal confrontation took place, was not even formally in dispute, being a different parcel of land than the military base. The natives who seized the park had no mandate to do so from the local band council, and indeed faced active opposition from other band members for having done so.

No formal warning was offered that the park was about to be occupied. No grievance was clearly articulated beforehand, other than a vague, disputed and intermittently advocated claim that the park contained a native burial ground. Even after the occupation began, the protesters refused to communicate in any way with the police. And in almost every case where police and natives clashed, the violence was initiated by the natives. While the beating of Cecil Bernard George at the hands of several OPP officers, the proximate cause of the events leading to the other Mr. George's death, was clearly deplorable, it came only after the first Mr. George had whacked an officer with a six-foot length of pipe. The fatal shooting -- again, as wholly unjustified as it was -- came after natives drove a bus at police.

[Rue]

If I think you stole my car, I can't go occupy your house until you give it back... I sue you and the courts find some kind of settlement. That's the way things are done.

If you are the government, a chartered bank or a very large corporation you can do exactly that. They take (or seize) first then send the lawyers afterwards.

Law is all about WHO you are. It should not be this way, but it is.

Apparently if I was an Indian I could do this and the police would stand by and critise the home owner for being too aggresive.

You have lowered yourself to the point where you now engage in comments that simply show your hatred and make no logical or legal sense.

[Michael Hardner]

I just blogged about inquiries... and thought I'd revisit any inquiry we discussed here. The Ipperwash Inquiry came up - and it has its own website:

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/inquiries/ipperwash/index.html

Go to the feedback section - This section of the website is no longer available.

It really seems that all government action stops after the report is released. If that's the case, then indeed these expensive and extensive procedures are just a show to make us all feel that we're absolutely fine, and don't need to change a thing.

[PIK]

To say the natives did not have guns is a joke and caladonian proves it. I am amazed by the way certain people died after that, the media did not try and blame that on harris.

Edited February 18, 2014 by PIK

[Michael Hardner]

To say the natives did not have guns is a joke and caladonian proves it. I am amazed by the way certain people died after that, the media did not try and blame that on harris.

Anything to say about my post though ?